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Old 01-12-2009, 08:52 AM   #1
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Okay OrangeMane Faithful! We got a young unproven 32 year old coach w/o HC experience, yet he comes from a winning organization and learned the professional game under Bella-Check! So in my opinion McDaniel has a 50/50 chance of success; but the pitfalls are too many to count.

The fact remains, McDaniel's will be under the shadow of Shanahan until he wins! Will McDaniel's have the same record and success as Shanahan had during Mike's initial first 4 years (95-98) as HC?

Fair or not McDaniel's will be judged and under the microscope of how Shanahan performed from 95-98! or from 95-02!!!

Point is, Shanahan established a high level of success for a HC the first 4 years. How long will it take for McDaniel's to string together a couple of season as HC that equates to the success Shanahan had? Can McDaniel's even equal Shanahan's from 95-98 success over a four year period, a 6 year period, or even an 8 year period!

What would be a fair expectation for McDaniel's? So will the fans and Bowlen lower the bar of expectation and be patient enough to allow the new head coach to achieve Shanahan's record from 99-02? During this period, Shanahan went 6-10, 11-5, 8-8, 9-7, 34-30! With only one playoff appearance with no wins in that 4 year span!!

So you see, Shanahan's success during his first 4 years as Denver HC will be a tough legacy to follow. Something tells me already the bar of expectations and success has been lowered when it comes to McDaniel's.

Can McDaniel's accumulate a regular season record of 47-17, a playoff record of 7-1, and TWO consecutive SB rings!!!! In just 4 short years Will the fans and Bowlen give McDaniel's 8 years to prove he can live up to Shanahan's legacy of 81 wins, 47 losses, and a 7-2 playoff record, with two consecutive SB wins during Shanny's first 8 years in Denver!!!

Better yet!, will the Broncos new head coach achieve Shanahan's record over his last 6 years in Denver of 57-39?

Point is folks, anyway you cut it the legacy and foreboding shadow of Shanahan will forever remain a factor here in Denver and bearing down on any newly hired HC that comes to Denver in the post Shanahan era!!!

Remember, we haven't even begun to talk about the impact of it all should Shanahan win 2 or 3 SB's over an 8 year span with the new team that hires him, while over the same 8 year period, the post Shanahan Broncos have not appeared in any SB's, very few playoffs, or few playoff wins period.

So one can say "Things will get interesting" to say the least.
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McDaniels will have some high expectations to fill. Being in the shadow of Shanahan is just a metaphor though. The reality is any coach would be expected to come in here and get this team in contention quickly regardless of who they are following. I think that generally, people will be inclined to forgive McDaniels if he misses the playoffs in his first year here - I could be wrong. But if we're not serious contenders by year two, I think you'll start to see people call for his head.

I'm hoping it doesn't come down to that. We have a tough schedule this year. Making it to the playoffs would probably buy McDaniels at least three full years to implement his full program.
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Considering our schedule for next year, the complete mess that Shanahan left the team in and a new scheme on defense and possibly offense too?

Year 1: 6-10 optimistically, 3rd in AFC West.
Year 2: 8-8, 3rd in AFC West
Year 3: 16-0, 579 points, Superbowl losers.
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After the last three years, all I'm hoping is the Broncos can put together a team that doesn't fizzle out as the season progesses. If I can see steady progress from game one to game sixteen, I'm okay with it.
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Okay OrangeMane Faithful! We got a young unproven 32 year old coach w/o HC experience, yet he comes from a winning organization and learned the professional game under Bella-Check! So in my opinion McDaniel has a 50/50 chance of success; but the pitfalls are too many to count.

The fact remains, McDaniel's will be under the shadow of Shanahan until he wins! Will McDaniel's have the same record and success as Shanahan had during Mike's initial first 4 years (95-98) as HC?

Fair or not McDaniel's will be judged and under the microscope of how Shanahan performed from 95-98! or from 95-02!!!

Point is, Shanahan established a high level of success for a HC the first 4 years. How long will it take for McDaniel's to string together a couple of season as HC that equates to the success Shanahan had? Can McDaniel's even equal Shanahan's from 95-98 success over a four year period, a 6 year period, or even an 8 year period!

What would be a fair expectation for McDaniel's? So will the fans and Bowlen lower the bar of expectation and be patient enough to allow the new head coach to achieve Shanahan's record from 99-02? During this period, Shanahan went 6-10, 11-5, 8-8, 9-7, 34-30! With only one playoff appearance with no wins in that 4 year span!!

So you see, Shanahan's success during his first 4 years as Denver HC will be a tough legacy to follow. Something tells me already the bar of expectations and success has been lowered when it comes to McDaniel's.

Can McDaniel's accumulate a regular season record of 47-17, a playoff record of 7-1, and TWO consecutive SB rings!!!! In just 4 short years Will the fans and Bowlen give McDaniel's 8 years to prove he can live up to Shanahan's legacy of 81 wins, 47 losses, and a 7-2 playoff record, with two consecutive SB wins during Shanny's first 8 years in Denver!!!

Better yet!, will the Broncos new head coach achieve Shanahan's record over his last 6 years in Denver of 57-39?

Point is folks, anyway you cut it the legacy and foreboding shadow of Shanahan will forever remain a factor here in Denver and bearing down on any newly hired HC that comes to Denver in the post Shanahan era!!!

Remember, we haven't even begun to talk about the impact of it all should Shanahan win 2 or 3 SB's over an 8 year span with the new team that hires him, while over the same 8 year period, the post Shanahan Broncos have not appeared in any SB's, very few playoffs, or few playoff wins period.

So one can say "Things will get interesting" to say the least.
Is John Elway and Terrell Davis going to be rejoining the team? The fact is that Shanahan had some special players during the Super Bowl years. McDaniels has the opportunity to continue Cutler's progression and add some new wrinkles to the offense. He will absolutely be compared to Shanahan's opening few years, but I have faith the kid is up to the challenge. He was tutored by one of the best in the business (even though Shanahan owned Belichick for many years...lol)
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the complete mess that Shanahan left the team in...


Did you start smoking weed again or something!
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Immediate sucess will depend greatly on the new staff and what they do with FA's and the Draft.

A few nice additions and finally some D coachs with a ****ing clue and this could turn around quickly.
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McDaniels will have some high expectations to fill. Being in the shadow of Shanahan is just a metaphor though. The reality is any coach would be expected to come in here and get this team in contention quickly regardless of who they are following. I think that generally, people will be inclined to forgive McDaniels if he misses the playoffs in his first year here - I could be wrong. But if we're not serious contenders by year two, I think you'll start to see people call for his head.

I'm hoping it doesn't come down to that. We have a tough schedule this year. Making it to the playoffs would probably buy McDaniels at least three full years to implement his full program.
I expected to go deep next year. If he doesn't I will consider it a failure. That doesn't mean we should throw the baby out with the bath water, but I have high expectations for the offense and the defense has no where to go but up.
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After the last three years, all I'm hoping is the Broncos can put together a team that doesn't fizzle out as the season progesses. If I can see steady progress from game one to game sixteen, I'm okay with it.
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as long as the whole team shows improvement. he deserves 3 years to turn this team around, if in 3 years we arent doing awesome, maybe try a different direction.
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The reality is that the prior staff left us with almost nothing on defense. Since defense is how you win playoff games, it's a lot to expect the kid to put together a playoff D in one season. Shanahan couldn't do it in 10.

That said, there's basically nowhere to go but up, and the offense is in great shape with a healthy Hillis and perhaps the addition of one more RB.

SD will be tough again, and there's a good chance Oakland and KC are better next year. Add a tough schedule, and expectations have to stay in check.

But, like Rohirrim said and I've said many times... this team just needs to show imrpovement as the year wears on. We're not winning a SB this coming season, so it's all about getting pieces in place and building a proper playoff structured team.
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the jets were not bad, and many of the players wanted romeo crennel to stay. i dont know how anyone would be able to turn the browns around.
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The lack of success of Crennel, Mangini, and Weiss are unique, individual situations that have no bearing or relevance in terms of how McDaniels will perform here. Making some sort of correlation is just silly.
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Is John Elway and Terrell Davis going to be rejoining the team? The fact is that Shanahan had some special players during the Super Bowl years. McDaniels has the opportunity to continue Cutler's progression and add some new wrinkles to the offense. He will absolutely be compared to Shanahan's opening few years, but I have faith the kid is up to the challenge. He was tutored by one of the best in the business (even though Shanahan owned Belichick for many years...lol)
The key here in my opinion is that the fans and Bowlen must have the patients of up to 6 to 8 years to allow McDaniels to sink or swim. Then in year 7 or 9 would be a good time to start looking elsewhere. This is the timeline Bowlen would be wise to stick with, while ignoring the hordes of impatient bronco fans.

No more short term solutions and bringing in a new coach every 3 years. Also, Cutler is the next best comparison to Elway and developing a RBBC to replace TD's performance, is McDaniels best shot at returning Denver to the SB.

We as fans have got to stand by this new coach at least 3 years and then in year 4 and 5 expect some AFC TITLES and SB runs.
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So, an average offense, and among the leagues 5 worst defenses and special teams is not a mess?

Shanny had the offense on the right track, but the defense and special teams are a ****ing disaster and last time I checked a football team is composed of THREE parts, not just one.
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Not folding down the stretch would be nice to see.

I just hope we see a competent defense next year.
I think we will be a fringe playoff team, so just planting the seeds and getting a good foundation going would be good enough for me
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So, an average offense, and among the leagues 5 worst defenses and special teams is not a mess?

Shanny had the offense on the right track, but the defense and special teams are a ****ing disaster and last time I checked a football team is composed of THREE parts, not just one.

We have one of the best young offenses in the league, and more cap money and draft picks than we've had in over a decade. To say this team is a "complete mess" is just being dramatic. Most people on this forum say that this team is within 2-3 years of being in contention for a Superbowl. That's not "a complete mess."
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We have one of the best young offenses in the league, and more cap money and draft picks than we've had in over a decade. To say this team is a "complete mess" is just being dramatic. Most people on this forum say that this team is within 2-3 years of being in contention for a Superbowl. That's not "a complete mess."
I've heard it for 10 years. When your defense is the worst in 40 years of a franchise's organization and there has been ZERO sign of improvement on Special Teams in 10 years even with the best ST coach in the league, that's a complete mess Isaac. The offense is on the right track, its not there yet but its on the right track. The defense and special teams are such disasters and if we switch to a 3-4, then the disaster will continue as it will take 3-4 years to acquire all the pieces for that style of defense.

Bowlen isnt going to spend big money in FA where we can make near instant improvements to the defense, and excuse me for being skeptical but the Goodman's havent proven a thing when it comes to defensive talent evaluation.

Look, Im hopeful for vast improvements, but to suggest they are going to happen anytime soon is foolish on your part.
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I expect wins. Lots of points, and big stops on Defense. Shanny got lucky with the TD pick in 95, he brought in some O-lineman and some Defensive vets. Got the perfect formula at the perfect time.

Who's to say that we can not get a some defensive FA's, a great Draft Class that could turn this thing around? Atl did it. Miami did it. If any of you say it is easier to go from 1-15 or 3-13 to the playoffs, you are smoking. Shanny wasn't looking for the backdoor, he was excited about his young team. We fix the Defense, have some luck with injuries, I can fully see us having a good year next year.
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We have one of the best young offenses in the league, and more cap money and draft picks than we've had in over a decade. To say this team is a "complete mess" is just being dramatic. Most people on this forum say that this team is within 2-3 years of being in contention for a Superbowl. That's not "a complete mess."
We were heading in the right direction on offense, but to say the defense and special teams are anything but a "complete mess" is absurd. Unless the new staff can make something of Moss and Crowder, Shanny is leaving the cupboard pretty bare. His strategy for fixing the defense was NOT a long term plan, but a quick fix plan by bringing in guys like Boss Bailey and Dwayne Robertson. There is a dearth of young talent on that side of the ball. And over the last three seasons, the results have become increasingly putrid culminating in this seasons disaster. There was no reason to think Shanny had the D moving in the right direction, particularly with Slowik being retained. Now, special teams can be turned around fairly quickly because it is not so much about talent as it is fundamentals, but again, ST has been a problem for years and there is no reason to believe Shanny was all of a sudden going to fix it now. McDaniels can produce a playoff team with this offensive talent, but it will probably take him (or anyone) awhile to get the defense in decent enough shape to make a serious Super Bowl run.
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