The Biggest "Could have been" draft picks in the Shanny Era. - The Orange Mane

DB-Freak · 01-05-2009, 05:47 PM

Ed Reed instead of Lelie. By far

We must have discussed this about a million times, but my god.

After watching Bal-Mia,I can't get over it.

DB-Freak · 01-05-2009, 05:50 PM

After college, Reed was drafted by the Baltimore Ravens in the first round (24th overall pick) of the 2002 NFL Draft. Reed has enjoyed a very successful professional career so far and has become one of the Ravens' most popular players. In his rookie season, Reed started in all 16 games and finished the campaign with 85 tackles and five interceptions. The following year he finished the season with 71 tackles and seven interceptions. He was also voted to his first Pro Bowl. In 2004, Reed was named the NFL Defensive Player of the Year by the Associated Press a season where, in addition to his record return, he also set the NFL mark for most interception return yardage (358) on 9 interceptions. Furthermore, in 2004, Reed became the only player in Pro Bowl history to block a punt and return it for a touchdown. In 2005, Reed only played in ten games due to an ankle injury. He finished the campaign with 37 tackles and one interception. In 2006, Reed made 60 tackles and five interceptions and was voted to his third Pro Bowl. In 2007, he made 39 tackles and seven interceptions. In the 2007 Pro Bowl he recorded two interceptions, tying the record with six others.

Reed has continued his strong special teams[14] play in 2002 with 4 blocked punts so far, returning 3 for touchdowns, tying an NFL record. In 2 postseason games, Reed has recorded 1 tackle, 3 interceptions and 5 pass deflections. He is also the first person in NFL history to return an interception, punt, blocked punt, and fumble for a touchdown.[citation needed]

Reed currently holds the Ravens franchise record for career interceptions with 43.[15] He also holds the franchise record for interception-return yards in a single game with 150.[15] During a game against the Eagles on November 23rd, 2008, Reed returned an interception against the Philadelphia Eagles for 108 yards.[16][15] This set an NFL record, breaking his own record of 106 yards.[15][17] The ball he intercepted and the jersey he wore during the play are now in the Hall of Fame. [15][18] In a 2009 AFC Wildcard game against the Miami Dolphins, Reed intercepted Chad Pennington twice, returning one for a touchdown. To date, he has 5 interceptions in 3 career postseason games.

Ed Reed has scored a total of 11 touchdowns in his career. He scored on 3 blocked punts, 1 punt return, 2 fumble returns and 5 interception returns.

Straight from wiki.

tsiguy96 · 01-05-2009, 05:56 PM

if people knew what reed was capable of, every team in front of the ravens wold have taken him. and reed wouldnt be as good here as he is with the ravens, they have far better coaching and players to make his job a bit easier.

baja · 01-05-2009, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DB-Freak

Ed Reed instead of Lelie. By far

We must have discussed this about a million times, but my god.

After watching Bal-Mia,I can't get over it.

Just think if your team needed a running back when TD was drafted in the 6th.

Killericon · 01-05-2009, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by baja

Just think if your team needed a running back when TD was drafted in the 6th.

It's funny...I was about to say "Think of how badly the Cards and the Titans must feel about Cutler." but then I remembered that they're both still in the playoffs.

sirhcyennek81 · 01-05-2009, 06:07 PM

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It's funny...I was about to say "Think of how badly the Cards and the Titans must feel about Cutler." but then I remembered that they're both still in the playoffs.

Only because 10 year Vets took them there...

Florida_Bronco · 01-05-2009, 06:09 PM

I'll say it again, but going for a WR was the right move in that draft.

Anyone who remembers the 2001 season will agree. We were down to guys like Keith Poole, Scottie Montgomery and Chris Cole. Rod Smith was banged up during the year and Eddie Mac had suffered that horrible broken leg on MNF against the Giants. We desperately needed to reload at that position, and Lelie was a good pick until he decided to flake on his when we traded for the guy we should have picked, Javon Walker.

Now at safety, we had Kenoy Kennedy, who had been playing well for us, and we signed Izell Reese to start on the other side along with the Sam Brandon and Chris Young picks. Safety was not that big of a need for us that year, while receiver was most definetly our biggest need.

So again, picking a WR was the right choice.

MileHighMagic · 01-05-2009, 06:11 PM

How about taking Maurice Clarett ahead of Marion Barber. An entirely different comparison than Reed/Lelie but when you consider just how awful the Clarett pick was...

sirhcyennek81 · 01-05-2009, 06:12 PM

Honestly we can sit here and say Shanahan should have picked Reed, or he should have drafted Shaun Rogers, or he should have gotten Steven Jackson...what is the point of doing that now? Dude is gone, we dont have these players, so lets move forward. New coach means new schemes and a different style of play, and thats exciting. I'll miss Shanahan, but hes gone. On to the next thing.

TDmvp · 01-05-2009, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

I'll say it again, but going for a WR was the right move in that draft.

Anyone who remembers the 2001 season will agree. We were down to guys like Keith Poole, Scottie Montgomery and Chris Cole. Rod Smith was banged up during the year and Eddie Mac had suffered that horrible broken leg on MNF against the Giants. We desperately needed to reload at that position, and Lelie was a good pick until he decided to flake on his when we traded for the guy we should have picked, Javon Walker.

Now at safety, we had Kenoy Kennedy, who had been playing well for us, and we signed Izell Reese to start on the other side along with the Sam Brandon and Chris Young picks. Safety was not that big of a need for us that year, while receiver was most definetly our biggest need.

So again, picking a WR was the right choice.

yup at one time in the year you are talking about , losing late in the season , we had like 1 WR healthy by the end of a game ... and losing late we was going 4 and 5 wide with 1 wr a bunch of TE's and HBs on the field ... it was sad ...

cutthemdown · 01-05-2009, 06:13 PM

I really didn't want Lelie that yr after having watched him at Hawaii. Mainly because he wasn't physical and seemed to fall down a lot. Those things followed him to pros.

The right pick isn't always based on need.

Florida_Bronco · 01-05-2009, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TDmvp

yup at one time in the year you are talking about , losing late in the season , we had like 1 WR healthy by the end of a game ... and losing late we was going 4 and 5 wide with 1 wr a bunch of TE's and HBs on the field ... it was sad ...

Exactly.

sirhcyennek81 · 01-05-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

I really didn't want Lelie that yr after having watched him at Hawaii. Mainly because he wasn't physical and seemed to fall down a lot. Those things followed him to pros.

The right pick isn't always based on need.

True. But we needed a WR with deep speed and good hands. Lelie was the guy. Hind sight is 20/20.

DB-Freak · 01-05-2009, 06:16 PM

It's not to bash shanny or anything. Hindsight 20/20

Just thinking about the the old days.

sirhcyennek81 · 01-05-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DB-Freak

It's not to bash shanny or anything. Hindsight 20/20

Just thinking about the the old days.

So in 1990 we should have drafted Pickens instead of Maddox, right?

Florida_Bronco · 01-05-2009, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MileHighMagic

How about taking Maurice Clarett ahead of Marion Barber. An entirely different comparison than Reed/Lelie but when you consider just how awful the Clarett pick was...

You know, for all the hype around Marion Barber, the guy has still yet to put up a 1000 yard season.

Just saying.

sirhcyennek81 · 01-05-2009, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

You know, for all the hype around Marion Barber, the guy has still yet to put up a 1000 yard season.

Just saying.

Lot of TD's though. I'd take his scoring potential...

cutthemdown · 01-05-2009, 06:20 PM

Going back and looking at the 2002 draft it was a real dog. Tons of names that never made it in pro's. The one that sticks out is Brian Westbrook in the 3rd round. Really though not a good draft overall and probably outside of Ed Reed not a lot Broncos missed on.

James Harrison of the Steelers was undrafted that yr. Larry Foote went in like the 6th I think.

I noticed are friend Marquand Manual went to the Bengals in the 6th round.

Florida_Bronco · 01-05-2009, 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

Lot of TD's though. I'd take his scoring potential...

This is true, and his tough running would be welcome here, but it's not like we missed out on a superstar or something either.

BoulderBum · 01-05-2009, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

You know, for all the hype around Marion Barber, the guy has still yet to put up a 1000 yard season.

Just saying.

Yeah, but he'd run for 2k in our system.

tsiguy96 · 01-05-2009, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

This is true, and his tough running would be welcome here, but it's not like we missed out on a superstar or something either.

id take hillis over barber any day of the week.

and, claurett was a third round pick. why people make such a huge deal over a third round pick is beyond me, but they picked him because it was only a third and he had tons of potential. too bad he sucked. like they said earlier, hindsight. and stuff.

TheReverend · 01-05-2009, 06:45 PM

Middlebrooks could've been Brees

By the way, I LOVED Middlebrooks.

cutthemdown · 01-05-2009, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

Middlebrooks could've been Brees

By the way, I LOVED Middlebrooks.

I hated the Middlebrooks pick because he was injured. I hate drafting injured players in the first round. IMO first round picks should fit the size/speed ratios you have set for team and be injury free to start off offseason program.

Play2win · 01-05-2009, 06:50 PM

Steven Jackson...

cutthemdown · 01-05-2009, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tsiguy96

id take hillis over barber any day of the week.

and, claurett was a third round pick. why people make such a huge deal over a third round pick is beyond me, but they picked him because it was only a third and he had tons of potential. too bad he sucked. like they said earlier, hindsight. and stuff.

3rd round picks are pretty high picks. You still at that point are talking about one of the top 100 players in college football.

01-05-2009, 05:47 PM	#1
DB-Freak The lone sack artist Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,995	The Biggest "Could have been" draft picks in the Shanny Era. Ed Reed instead of Lelie. By far We must have discussed this about a million times, but my god. After watching Bal-Mia,I can't get over it.

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01-05-2009, 05:50 PM	#2
DB-Freak The lone sack artist Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,995	After college, Reed was drafted by the Baltimore Ravens in the first round (24th overall pick) of the 2002 NFL Draft. Reed has enjoyed a very successful professional career so far and has become one of the Ravens' most popular players. In his rookie season, Reed started in all 16 games and finished the campaign with 85 tackles and five interceptions. The following year he finished the season with 71 tackles and seven interceptions. He was also voted to his first Pro Bowl. In 2004, Reed was named the NFL Defensive Player of the Year by the Associated Press a season where, in addition to his record return, he also set the NFL mark for most interception return yardage (358) on 9 interceptions. Furthermore, in 2004, Reed became the only player in Pro Bowl history to block a punt and return it for a touchdown. In 2005, Reed only played in ten games due to an ankle injury. He finished the campaign with 37 tackles and one interception. In 2006, Reed made 60 tackles and five interceptions and was voted to his third Pro Bowl. In 2007, he made 39 tackles and seven interceptions. In the 2007 Pro Bowl he recorded two interceptions, tying the record with six others. Reed has continued his strong special teams[14] play in 2002 with 4 blocked punts so far, returning 3 for touchdowns, tying an NFL record. In 2 postseason games, Reed has recorded 1 tackle, 3 interceptions and 5 pass deflections. He is also the first person in NFL history to return an interception, punt, blocked punt, and fumble for a touchdown.[citation needed] Reed currently holds the Ravens franchise record for career interceptions with 43.[15] He also holds the franchise record for interception-return yards in a single game with 150.[15] During a game against the Eagles on November 23rd, 2008, Reed returned an interception against the Philadelphia Eagles for 108 yards.[16][15] This set an NFL record, breaking his own record of 106 yards.[15][17] The ball he intercepted and the jersey he wore during the play are now in the Hall of Fame. [15][18] In a 2009 AFC Wildcard game against the Miami Dolphins, Reed intercepted Chad Pennington twice, returning one for a touchdown. To date, he has 5 interceptions in 3 career postseason games. Ed Reed has scored a total of 11 touchdowns in his career. He scored on 3 blocked punts, 1 punt return, 2 fumble returns and 5 interception returns. Straight from wiki.

01-05-2009, 05:56 PM	#3
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	if people knew what reed was capable of, every team in front of the ravens wold have taken him. and reed wouldnt be as good here as he is with the ravens, they have far better coaching and players to make his job a bit easier.

01-05-2009, 06:09 PM	#7
Florida_Bronco Got trolls? Welcome to Mile High, Brady! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 13,810 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brady Quinn	I'll say it again, but going for a WR was the right move in that draft. Anyone who remembers the 2001 season will agree. We were down to guys like Keith Poole, Scottie Montgomery and Chris Cole. Rod Smith was banged up during the year and Eddie Mac had suffered that horrible broken leg on MNF against the Giants. We desperately needed to reload at that position, and Lelie was a good pick until he decided to flake on his when we traded for the guy we should have picked, Javon Walker. Now at safety, we had Kenoy Kennedy, who had been playing well for us, and we signed Izell Reese to start on the other side along with the Sam Brandon and Chris Young picks. Safety was not that big of a need for us that year, while receiver was most definetly our biggest need. So again, picking a WR was the right choice.

01-05-2009, 06:11 PM	#8
MileHighMagic Ho-Slayer Rise and grind! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 1,436 Adopt-a-Bronco: Dave Logan	How about taking Maurice Clarett ahead of Marion Barber. An entirely different comparison than Reed/Lelie but when you consider just how awful the Clarett pick was...

01-05-2009, 06:12 PM	#9
sirhcyennek81 Yes...swooping is bad... Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Florence, Colorado Posts: 20,668 Adopt-a-Bronco: All of them.	Honestly we can sit here and say Shanahan should have picked Reed, or he should have drafted Shaun Rogers, or he should have gotten Steven Jackson...what is the point of doing that now? Dude is gone, we dont have these players, so lets move forward. New coach means new schemes and a different style of play, and thats exciting. I'll miss Shanahan, but hes gone. On to the next thing.

01-05-2009, 06:13 PM	#11
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,409	I really didn't want Lelie that yr after having watched him at Hawaii. Mainly because he wasn't physical and seemed to fall down a lot. Those things followed him to pros. The right pick isn't always based on need.

01-05-2009, 06:16 PM	#14
DB-Freak The lone sack artist Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 4,995	It's not to bash shanny or anything. Hindsight 20/20 Just thinking about the the old days.

01-05-2009, 06:20 PM	#18
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,409	Going back and looking at the 2002 draft it was a real dog. Tons of names that never made it in pro's. The one that sticks out is Brian Westbrook in the 3rd round. Really though not a good draft overall and probably outside of Ed Reed not a lot Broncos missed on. James Harrison of the Steelers was undrafted that yr. Larry Foote went in like the 6th I think. I noticed are friend Marquand Manual went to the Bengals in the 6th round.

01-05-2009, 06:45 PM	#22
TheReverend www.PatrickTurley.org ^ buy this... twice Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 32,963 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mike Shanahan	Middlebrooks could've been Brees By the way, I LOVED Middlebrooks.

01-05-2009, 06:50 PM	#24
Play2win Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 9,610 Adopt-a-Bronco: The Duke	Steven Jackson...