Next Year: Williams or Woodyard? - The Orange Mane

Popps · 01-05-2009, 09:48 AM

Who would you like to see lined up at WLB for the defensive re-build going forward?

Let's assume we have only one option for the sake of the poll. We can keep Woodyard or Williams. One of them is traded/released.

Vote away.

Beantown Bronco · 01-05-2009, 09:49 AM

Are you drafting a new WLB in this scenario?

Popps · 01-05-2009, 09:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Are you drafting a new WLB in this scenario?

I'm thinking you meant MLB, and the answer is yes. We sign or draft a real MLB (in theory).

So, it's a one or the other poll. No "moving one to safety or SAM, etc."

PRBronco · 01-05-2009, 09:51 AM

Keep DJ at Will, get Wesley Windham Woodyard III on the field, at mike or Sam.

*edit* Just read Popps' post, if it's one or the other, I think we have to stick with DJ for now, as much as I love Woodyard.

Taco John · 01-05-2009, 09:51 AM

I don't want either of them at SAM.

Beantown Bronco · 01-05-2009, 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Popps

I'm thinking you meant MLB, and the answer is yes. We sign or draft a real MLB (in theory).

So, it's a one or the other poll. No "moving one to safety or SAM, etc."

No, I didn't mean MLB. Look at your original post. You said that one of them has to play SAM and the other leaves. You said nothing about WLB, but now I'm thinking you meant to type WLB.

MVP-06 · 01-05-2009, 09:54 AM

Draft Rey Rey for MLB
dj at will (he isn't going anywhere with that contract, get over it)
sadly I believe Bailey will be our Sam until injured, but I prefer Winborn ( I think WW is to small for SAM)

Popps · 01-05-2009, 09:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

No, I didn't mean MLB. Look at your original post. You said that one of them has to play SAM and the other leaves. You said nothing about WLB, but now I'm thinking you meant to type WLB.

SORRY!

Yep..... WLB is what I meant.

Fixed.

montrose · 01-05-2009, 09:54 AM

Woodyard is far too raw, let him play special teams and play as a reserve. He's got talent, but takes terrible angles, can't scrape and has very bad influence steps. He also has "bad hips" when blitzing, which is why he was so ineffective as a blitzer, a big deal if we hire Spags. I think WW could develop into a starting WLB in a few years, but he's not ready - especially over a guy like DJ.

chaz · 01-05-2009, 09:57 AM

I know he didn't like it, but is DJ a solid SAM? I don't pretend to be able to evaluate block-shedding etc...

EDIT: either way you don't take DJ out of the lineup...as exciting as Wesley was. Strong LB depth will continue to improve our ST play.

MVP-06 · 01-05-2009, 09:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by montrose

Woodyard is far too raw, let him play special teams and play as a reserve. He's got talent, but takes terrible angles, can't scrape and has very bad influence steps. He also has "bad hips" when blitzing, which is why he was so ineffective as a blitzer, a big deal if we hire Spags. I think WW could develop into a starting WLB in a few years, but he's not ready - especially over a guy like DJ.

diddo

Taco John · 01-05-2009, 10:00 AM

This is just a guess - but I'm guessing that DJ has some sort of positional clause that keeps him from being juggled around the field from position to position, year after year. This is what I would have suggested if I were his agent, knowing that DJ's bread and butter position is WLB, and he's not going to make any money over the long haul at either MLB or SAM. Also, the fact that he wasn't moved this year when Woodyard came on, despite having experience at both positions.

Taco John · 01-05-2009, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaz

I know he didn't like it, but is DJ a solid SAM? I don't pretend to be able to evaluate block-shedding etc...

He was unexceptional there. Most WLBs moved to SAM would be. They're WLBs for a reason - that reason mostly being they're not big enough to be SAMs.

socalorado · 01-05-2009, 10:05 AM

WWIII to WILL
DJ to SAM.

DivineLegion · 01-05-2009, 10:05 AM

We go Mays in the first and Spikes in the second.

tsiguy96 · 01-05-2009, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DivineLegion

We go Mays in the first and Spikes in the second.

i doubt spikes is there....imagine if we traded up to get 2 first round defenders however..

jmz313 · 01-05-2009, 10:29 AM

Spikes will be taken in 1st. trade DJ, he'll never be anything more in the blue and orange. He might still have some value (3rd?) but that contract is gonna be tough to unload.

Rock Chalk · 01-05-2009, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by montrose

Woodyard is far too raw, let him play special teams and play as a reserve. He's got talent, but takes terrible angles, can't scrape and has very bad influence steps. He also has "bad hips" when blitzing, which is why he was so ineffective as a blitzer, a big deal if we hire Spags. I think WW could develop into a starting WLB in a few years, but he's not ready - especially over a guy like DJ.

, as if DJ is a great blitzer or something.

ANIMAL24 · 01-05-2009, 10:33 AM

Bronx33 · 01-05-2009, 10:33 AM

Keep both DJ is a quite leader i really don't see him being a loud in your face leader but the guy lead by example this year as far as woodyard is concerned he just might be that loud in your face leader that could change a game with one huge hit. Woodyard has certainly earned an opportunity to show his stuff and it would be damn shame if hes doesn't get that shot, heck i thought he deserved some gametime based on his preseason play and we were kinda fortunate to have gotten to see him at all via injuries.

Drek · 01-05-2009, 10:40 AM

DJ, Woodyard had a couple good games but the odds of it being worth anything long term aren't great. We know when healthy DJ is a good player across the board at LB, and when healthy at WLB he's looked like a borderline pro-bowler.

In the real world though we do get to keep both, and even then it might not matter. If we move to a 3-4 DJ will have to be moved inside and it'll be tough to find any place to play Woodyard.

Rock Chalk · 01-05-2009, 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drek

DJ, Woodyard had a couple good games but the odds of it being worth anything long term aren't great. We know when healthy DJ is a good player across the board at LB, and when healthy at WLB he's looked like a borderline pro-bowler.

In the real world though we do get to keep both, and even then it might not matter. If we move to a 3-4 DJ will have to be moved inside and it'll be tough to find any place to play Woodyard.

DJ may be a fine tackler down field but he doenst cover well and he doesnt blitz well and he's at his ceiling.

He cant shoot gaps well and he still overpursues. A solid WLB yes, a playmaker he is not. Woodyard was a playmaker though and IF given the choice Id take Woodyard over DJ.

Now, I do take into account that DJ has had piss poor coaching in the NFL and that he could be a fantastic playmaker with much better coaching, but as it stands right now without knowing who we are hiring as HC or who our DC will be or any of that other business, Woodyard would be better for the team long term.

WolfpackGuy · 01-05-2009, 10:45 AM

They need to get both on the field somehow.
Tailor the defense to the few who will still be around next year.

jmz313 · 01-05-2009, 10:51 AM

Jezz, lots of blind DJ love. the guy is definitly not a leader. I can;t imagine what would lead anyone to say that. as For biltzing, did we biltz at all this year?

Woodyard show all the reasons he is likely to be a good LB in the NFL. He looked instintive and made the play. He made more solo Plays behind the LOS in his 3 games then the rest of the team combinded. He rarely missed a tackle and always played hard till the whistle blew. Most of his play was also against Playoff teams which we went 2-1 against in his starts. miami, Atl, NYJ.

Rohirrim · 01-05-2009, 10:56 AM

Or, you could bring in Romeo, switch over to a 3/4, put DJ and Moss on the outsides and Larsen and WWIII on the insides. Still, need to find a NT.

View Poll Results: What's your take at WLB for next year?
KEEP WILLIAMS - We need his experience, he's a near pro-Bowl player	47	39.83%
KEEP WOODYARD - He's the future. Young and a strong play-maker.	71	60.17%
Voters: 118. You may not vote on this poll

01-05-2009, 09:48 AM	#1
Popps TEAM FIRST. Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 29,785	Next Year: Williams or Woodyard? Who would you like to see lined up at WLB for the defensive re-build going forward? Let's assume we have only one option for the sake of the poll. We can keep Woodyard or Williams. One of them is traded/released. Vote away. Last edited by Popps; 01-05-2009 at 09:54 AM..

01-05-2009, 09:57 AM	#10
chaz highly touted recruit Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,455 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mr. Bruton	I know he didn't like it, but is DJ a solid SAM? I don't pretend to be able to evaluate block-shedding etc... EDIT: either way you don't take DJ out of the lineup...as exciting as Wesley was. Strong LB depth will continue to improve our ST play. Last edited by chaz; 01-05-2009 at 10:04 AM..

01-05-2009, 10:05 AM	#14
socalorado Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,211	WWIII to WILL DJ to SAM. Last edited by socalorado; 01-05-2009 at 10:07 AM..

01-05-2009, 10:33 AM	#19
ANIMAL24 THE SATISFIER LETS GO DRAFT Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: LONG BEACH Posts: 216 Adopt-a-Bronco: DARIUS WATTS	ww3

01-05-2009, 09:49 AM	#2
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,042 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	Are you drafting a new WLB in this scenario?

01-05-2009, 09:51 AM	#4
PRBronco FML less Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Vancouver Posts: 4,206 Adopt-a-Bronco: I'm so alone	Keep DJ at Will, get Wesley Windham Woodyard III on the field, at mike or Sam. edit Just read Popps' post, if it's one or the other, I think we have to stick with DJ for now, as much as I love Woodyard.

01-05-2009, 09:51 AM	#5
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,705 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I don't want either of them at SAM.

01-05-2009, 09:54 AM	#7
MVP-06 MVP Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 630 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Draft Rey Rey for MLB dj at will (he isn't going anywhere with that contract, get over it) sadly I believe Bailey will be our Sam until injured, but I prefer Winborn ( I think WW is to small for SAM)

01-05-2009, 09:54 AM	#9
montrose Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 6,095 Adopt-a-Bronco: VP John Elway	Woodyard is far too raw, let him play special teams and play as a reserve. He's got talent, but takes terrible angles, can't scrape and has very bad influence steps. He also has "bad hips" when blitzing, which is why he was so ineffective as a blitzer, a big deal if we hire Spags. I think WW could develop into a starting WLB in a few years, but he's not ready - especially over a guy like DJ.

01-05-2009, 10:00 AM	#12
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,705 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	This is just a guess - but I'm guessing that DJ has some sort of positional clause that keeps him from being juggled around the field from position to position, year after year. This is what I would have suggested if I were his agent, knowing that DJ's bread and butter position is WLB, and he's not going to make any money over the long haul at either MLB or SAM. Also, the fact that he wasn't moved this year when Woodyard came on, despite having experience at both positions.

01-05-2009, 10:05 AM	#15
DivineLegion There can only be one... G.O.A.T Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: The Peak of Good Living Posts: 4,120 Adopt-a-Bronco: Nate Irving	We go Mays in the first and Spikes in the second.

01-05-2009, 10:29 AM	#17
jmz313 Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 982	Spikes will be taken in 1st. trade DJ, he'll never be anything more in the blue and orange. He might still have some value (3rd?) but that contract is gonna be tough to unload.

01-05-2009, 10:33 AM	#20
Bronx33 lets go partner Rumpson Rocks Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Lakewood,Colo Posts: 41,221 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Keep both DJ is a quite leader i really don't see him being a loud in your face leader but the guy lead by example this year as far as woodyard is concerned he just might be that loud in your face leader that could change a game with one huge hit. Woodyard has certainly earned an opportunity to show his stuff and it would be damn shame if hes doesn't get that shot, heck i thought he deserved some gametime based on his preseason play and we were kinda fortunate to have gotten to see him at all via injuries.

01-05-2009, 10:40 AM	#21
Drek Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 12,316	DJ, Woodyard had a couple good games but the odds of it being worth anything long term aren't great. We know when healthy DJ is a good player across the board at LB, and when healthy at WLB he's looked like a borderline pro-bowler. In the real world though we do get to keep both, and even then it might not matter. If we move to a 3-4 DJ will have to be moved inside and it'll be tough to find any place to play Woodyard.

01-05-2009, 10:45 AM	#23
WolfpackGuy Call me, "Maybe" Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,675	They need to get both on the field somehow. Tailor the defense to the few who will still be around next year.

01-05-2009, 10:51 AM	#24
jmz313 Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 982	Jezz, lots of blind DJ love. the guy is definitly not a leader. I can;t imagine what would lead anyone to say that. as For biltzing, did we biltz at all this year? Woodyard show all the reasons he is likely to be a good LB in the NFL. He looked instintive and made the play. He made more solo Plays behind the LOS in his 3 games then the rest of the team combinded. He rarely missed a tackle and always played hard till the whistle blew. Most of his play was also against Playoff teams which we went 2-1 against in his starts. miami, Atl, NYJ.

01-05-2009, 10:56 AM	#25
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,842	Or, you could bring in Romeo, switch over to a 3/4, put DJ and Moss on the outsides and Larsen and WWIII on the insides. Still, need to find a NT.

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