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list them here;
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It is what it Is.
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Td
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It is what it Is.
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Al Wilson
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All I know is Simple Jack could of done a better job of drafting Defensive players since 1999.
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Maurice Clarett
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willie middlebrooks
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I Make The Weather
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George Foster.
but then again, John Mobley |
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It is what it Is.
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did shanny draft Mobley?
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yes mobley was a shanahan pick
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Terminator
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Marcus Nash
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...there ain't no devil
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Eddie. Ryan. Brandon. |
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the dude abides...
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It is what it Is.
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Ashlie Lelie ( with Ed Reed on the board and us needing safety)
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...there ain't no devil
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2008: A most excellent class. Ryan Clady clearly tops it off. An all-pro caliber LT from Day One. There was no finer pick in this draft with the possible exception of Matt Ryan. Eddie Royal has also been uber-productive. Exceeding Denver's mere kick returner expectations, Royal has shown flash and consistency at wide reciever. 90+ catches for a rookie WR is off the charts..especially given our history at the position. Peyton Hillis displayed great versatility and should be an outstanding NFL FB. He can run, catch, block, you name it. Shanahan got monster value in Round 7. Spencer Larsen is a feel good story and he was a solid ST'er. He also showed well at LB when he played there. While his impact has not been substantial in terms of game to game production, he's certainly been an asset to the team and his oppurtunities should increase. The same is true for Josh Barrett. The book has yet to be written on him as the sample size is too small. It is true that he was inconsistent from game to game and finished poorly at SD, but he was nonetheless the team's best S by season's end. That's not bad for a 7th round rookie. Carlton Powell is a complete unknown. The book also has yet to be written on Jack Williams. He was passed up by Josh Bell, but on the other hand, in Week 2 against San Diego, he stared up at the sky in the second half and then it started to pour. It's clear that the supernatural powers that were often joked about among fans regarding this pick might not have been a joke after all. It is too early to determine anything about Corey Lichtensteiger.
"Good" Picks: At least 3. Probably 4-5 when all is said and done. 2007: A mixed bag for Shanahan, but overall, it was a solid one in light of the few number of selections we had. Denver made only 4 selections. Denver bombed with Jarvis Moss and it would appear also with Tim Crowder. But Shanahan found a gem RT in Ryan Harris. He is not only a solid starter, but rather an elite starter. Marcus Thomas, is a young, talented but still developing DT. A solid starter. 2 out of 4 is not bad at all. 2006: An array of stars unmatched in Denver's draft history. With Jay Cutler, the Broncos found the rightful heir to John Elway's throne. A true franchise quarterback. Just in his third year, he's already a Pro Bowler and will only get better. Possessing awesome physical gifts, Cutler will probably win over 100 games for this franchise and will challenge and probably exceed Terrell Davis as Shanahan's best pick. Tony Scheffler remains an excellent recieving TE. His yards and receptions per game are among the NFL leaders at the position, we just need to get him to play 16 games. Shanahan was right to go with the small school kid over bigger name TEs like Leonard Pope. Elvis Dumervil has proved to be good value for a 4th round selection. It is true that his game is not complete and that he is a liability vs. the run, but when healthy, he's a 10 sack a year player and that's nothing to sneeze at, especially for a 4th rounder. Brandon Marshall was another absolute home run. With the possible exception of Andre Johnson, Marshall is the premier king sized physical possession WR in the NFL. He's produced multiple 100 catch seasons. It was Shanahan's best pick at WR....by far. It is a shame that Shanahan showed little patience with Domenik Hixon, because he's developed into a very good 3rd WR and KR/PR. That he is no longer on the roster does not somehow make this a bad pick. The evaluation and decision to draft him was the correct one and Shanahan deserves credit for making a good pick, even if we let him go too early. Chris Kuper was another diamond in the rough. Coming from little known North Dakota, this bull in a china shop quickly became Denver's best and most physical OG and should be a mainstay on the line for 10 years. Greg Eslinger was a failed selection. The Rimington winner was and remains clearly very smart and well schooled in our system, but his lack of bulk and strength was something he has never overcome. "Good Picks"- 6. 2005- Denver lacked a first round pick for the first time since 1995, but made their first selection count in Darrent Williams. The small, speedy Oklahoma State cowboy was an instant hit with Denver fans. A good tackler for a small guy, he had the knack for the big play, despite going through a rough patch his sophomore and final season. His good friend Domonique Foxworth also provided a decent return on the 3rd round investment, serving as one of the better NFL nickel corners for several years for Denver in addition to being a top notch representative in the community. Karl Paymah's performance ultimately did not justify his selection in the third round. He had occasional moments but never developed like Williams and to a lesser extent Foxworth, getting passed by Jack Williams and UDFA Josh Bell in 2008. It is anticipated that he will not be resigned. Maurice Clarett was an utter failure, in the same ruins of history as Marcus Nash. From drinking to threatening S&C coaches, to complaining about playing time, you name it. A colossal failure. Chris Myers served as a solid utility man on the line, playing both center and guard when injuries hit and doing well. Not unlike most Denver linemen, however, he did have a tendency to get overpowered. In addition to being a solid starter and a reliable backup, Myers also retrieved for Denver the sixth rounder they used on him in a trade to Houston. A good pick. Paul Ernster never showed up when the lights were on. A failed experiment, but not a costly one from a draft pick perspective. Good Picks: 3. 2004: D.J. Williams made his presence known early as one of the very best rookies in 2004. In some people's eyes, he was the best defensive rookie in the league. Possessing great speed, range and burst in backside pursuit, Williams led the team in tackles and also had the most TFL by any Bronco since 1991 in his rookie season. He was unwisely made to play a game of musical chairs for the next three years and his game suffered for it. He was nonetheless a solid Sam and despite sometimes being lost as a Mike, he still put up good TFL numbers at the position. When he was returned to his natural position on the weakside in 2008, Williams put up what was a consensus Pro Bowl caliber season leading the team in tackles as well as tackles for a loss by a wide margin (at the time of his injury) and beginning to make a real impact in the sacks department until he suffered a fairly serious knee injury against Miami, which essentially derailed the rest of his year. A very good pick. Tatum Bell made a solid contribution to the Broncos, despite never cracking the lineup on a full time basis until his final year in his first stint with Denver. He always possessed big play ability and provided that to the team. In 2006, he added new dimensions to his game and had a solid year as the starter. On his second tour of duty, his play was mixed. Overall, it was a worthy pick, as Bell also provided the team with Dre Bly. Mock proved prophetic on Draft Day when he called Jeremy LeSueur "La Sewer" as this Michigan product lived to see his second training camp only because of a phantom, invented IR injury after his first camp. A huge waste. Jeff Shoate bounced around on and off Denver's roster but never made any appreciable impact. Darius Watts was the ultimate flash in the pan. A tremendous rookie campaign, highlighted by a huge game vs. Atlanta. Watts's problems catching the ball, whether physical or mental, proved to be his undoing. Very few draft choices went from such highs to such lows faster than this pick. Failure. Triandos Luke also proved to be another failed experiment at WR. Josh Sewell had the not so envious distinction of being the first Broncos pick in recent memory to quit on the game of football in his first year, instead opting to go to dental school. Matt Mauck showed some promise as a backup QB, but nothing came of it long term. The same is true of Bradlee Van Pelt, whose athleticism may have proved of some value at another position, but alas, it was not to be. Perhaps one day he will realize that he was never a quarterback. A failed experiment, as was Brandon Miree at FB. Howard Griffith's true replacement would come a few years later. Good picks: 2. 2003- Shanahan at his absolute worst. Out of 10 selections, not one was worthwhile. The dancing bear George Foster began his Broncos career with promise. He had tremendous size and strength. Despite disappointing the team in failing to become the premier LT we had hoped, Foster turned in two respectable campaigns at RT, leading fans to believe he could remain a solid, albeit not spectacular, member of the line on a long term basis. It was not to be. Something happened to Big George. Whether it was the infamous block in Cincinnati or a lack of fire in the belly, his game fell apart. He never recovered. His game got so bad that he almost got Denver's franchise killed against SF in 2006. He was sentenced to a tour of duty in Detroit shortly thereafter. A very nice man from all accounts. It was too bad that he failed. Terry Pierce was drafted as an insurance plan against the possible departure of Al Wilson. Wilson never left and Denver was left holding the bag. A terrorizing MLB at Kansas State with "evil instincts" (Shanahan's words not mine), the round peg ILB was forced into a square hole at SLB where he could not succeed. Pierce lacked athleticism and speed and the ability to cover. Another failure. Oklahoma's tiny sparkplug Quentin Griffin showed some ability in space for Denver, but ultimately this nice fellow was one of the very, very few Denver RBs that could not succeed even in the friendly ZBS system. Clemson teammates Nick Eason and Bryant McNeal never amounted to anythign either, although Eason has since turned into a halfway decent NFL player elsewhere. Like Josh Sewell, Ben Claxton never made it out of his first training camp. Adrian Madise was yet another in the long line of flash in the pan WR's. Built like a RB, Madise had no problem getting off the line. Like most rookie Denver WR's he had fans riled up with a great spring before fading away into nothing. Bronco fans thought they had a steal in Florida's Clint Mitchell when Mel Kiper said that if he had stayed for another year at Florida, he might be a first round talent but the slender Gator never amounted to anything despite having a 2 sack game in NFLE at Amsterdam on one occasion that sent this forum into a false euphoria. Aaron Hunt and Ahmaad Galloway rounded out this utterly forgettable class. Good Picks: 0. 2002: Maligned first round pick Ashley Lelie was actually one of Denver's finest big play threats in the Shanahan Era. Repeatedly leading the league in YPC, Lelie was the best long ball artist in the last 14 years. His game was otherwise deficient, however, as he was never consistent catching the ball or rounding out his game between the hash marks. He left on poor terms, but was nonetheless a good pick because of his big play production over several years as a solid No. 2 NFL WR and also because the compensation recieved for him in a trade turned out to be Ryan Harris. Clinton Portis was a home-run. This future HOFer put up unbelievable numbers in the Denver system, with his YPC stats eclipsing even the great Terrell Davis. This orange shoed blur was fun to watch and amazingly productive. A truly brilliant selection. Dorsett Davis proved to be the ultimate Look like Tarzan Play like Jane selection. Sam Brandon and Jeb Putzier proved to be serviceable, productive selections until the former was injured and the latter released. The same could not be said of Monsanto Pope, Chris Young or Michigan State's Herb Haygood, who Shanahan envisioned as a future KR-PR star based on his college exploits. Good picks: 4. 2001: Denver began this draft rather poorly. Willie Middlebrooks was a frustrating combination of injuries and incompetence. The poster child for staying away from medical cases. It says alot that his finest moment was a preseason game against Buffalo in 2004. In many ways, Paul Toviessi was even more infamous. This second round pick never contributed anything of value. Denver fans were doubly insulted when Mel Kiper openly opined that he could have been gotten in the 7th round. In his second season, he had a great spring, but alas his injuries derailed any promise that he allegedly may have had. All was not lost, however.Reggie Hayward proved to be a solid DE and good pick in Round 3, becoming a quality starter with Denver and later Jacksonville. The jewel of the class, however, was the brainy Minnesota product, Ben Hamilton, who would go on to be one of the finer NFL LG's for almost a decade. Shanahan was seduced by California punter Nick Harris's booming leg (he was already an instructor at Ray Guy's camp while a collegian) and ability to place the ball, repeatedly, inside the 20 on punts. He gained national recognition for his ability in Mike Scifres vs. Indianapolis-like game against Illinois I believe during his final season. As a Bronco, however, he had tremendous problems getting his kicks off fast enough and never became anything of value before trying his hand in Cincinnati. Kevin Kasper, or as Mock put it at the time, the "Great White Hope who shaves his balls" was another infamous Broncos WR who started fast but amounted to nothing, his hygiene habits not withstanding. Good picks: 2 2000: Shanahan's first draft of this century proved to be a mixed bag. At the top was the athletic but maddeningly inconsistent Deltha O' Neal, who actually went to a Pro Bowl, but was the most all or nothing player of any Shanahan draft pick. He had ball skills, but little else. When the bad Deltha took over on a permanent basis, he was through, suffering among other things, a shift to WR before a trade to Cincinnati. On balance, a failed selection. Next in line was another lightning rod for controversy, the small but speedy Ian Gold. Gold began his Broncos career as a special teams ace, this "Crash Test Dummy" eventually had a standout year at LB in 2000, compiling 6.5 sacks and 100 tackles. His first stint with Denver was generally quite solid until a major knee injury against Pittsburgh in 2003. His second stint was often marred by missed tackles and poor work getting off blocks, but at times he was similar to his former self. His return also stunted the development of D.J. Williams. As a whole, however, his multiple years of starting service and decent play made the pick a halfway decent one. Kenoy Kennedy was a ferocious hitter and good run defender. But comparisons to another former Arkansas Razorback in Steve Atwater were misplaced and Kennedy suffered in coverage for many years until his final one with Denver, when he improved his game noticeably. Overall, he was a solid NFL starter. Chris Cole frustrated fans and coaches to no end with his great speed but exceedingly poor hands. Jerry Johnson never amounted to much, but midrounder Cooper Carlisle became a trusty reserve and in time an adequate starter. Richmond's Muneer Moore was one of the first Shanahan recievers to set the trend of big hype no payoff with a tremendous camp, leading the Post's Adam Schefter to proclaim, in one of his many condescending mailbags that the Broncos believed Moore could be one of the league's premier WRs. Unlike Denver's other busts at the position, however, Moore's demise could not be blamed on his own flaws as injuries prematurely ended his career. Denver's best selection came next in Mike Anderson. Sarge was a valuable RB and FB, boasting a huge rookie season in addition to a number of years of solid service in the starting lineup. Jarious Jackson was a failed attempt to develop a competent backup quarterback. Despite getting several years worth of paychecks from the team, Jackson never showed any real NFL ability as a QB. He ended up being relegated to practicing in the nearby park. This pick illustrated Shanahan's sometimes irritating tendency to hold onto clearly worthless picks for years while others, such as Domenik Hixon, were given insufficient time to develop. Leroy Fields did nothing of mention. Good picks: 3 or 4. I'm tired. I will continue tomorrow.
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holy crap! shanarat really had no clue what he was doing from 2000-2003
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Who still has their Jamie Brown jersey? Top pick 1995!
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How about Middlebust, O'neal ( reach due to Dale Carter's suspension another nice FA signing) ,D Watts, T Bell, T Pierce, Dorsett Davis, Tovessi, LeSewer, Foxworth, Paymah, How about the cluster**** with BALT in '03 over Foster when Shanny got greedy and Belick jumped in. Couldn't have got a 1st ('04 turned out to be Wilfork) and a 2nd and possibly still drafted Foster. |
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Call me, "Maybe"
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Kevin Kasper, or as Mock put it at the time, the "Great White Hope who shaves his balls" was another infamous Broncos WR who started fast but amounted to nothing, his hygiene habits not withstanding.
I remember that. Casper the ghost. Don't forget all those great UDFAs, like Lenny Walls who won the Grey Cup with Calgary. ![]() |
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