Bronco Disovery Time

[robbieopperude]

OK..I don't post on here often but this meltdown is really bothering me. I was a man who believed in Shanahan and I must admit I have recently lost a lot of faith. I use to find it acceptable to lose to the Chiefs in K.C. (when they were good) and I knew the Raiders games would be competitive (when they had Gruden). Now I just don't understand how Shanahan can let those games get away. I believe that a team led by Bill Cower this year would have at least 2 more wins. Even if they beat S.D next week I think it is woeful that we will get in the playoffs at 9-6. That is sad,sad,sad.

So I am in my Zen Bronco discovery time now. I look at Royal, B.Marsh, Cutler, and Champ and I think we have a couple nice pieces to the puzzle. Then again I look at playcalling, defense scheme, and players attitude and it has me worried.

Next week will tell us alot about where our team is. I think I will get my answers. The Broncos don't necessarily need to win to put back my confidence in Shanahan but if they get blown out I think Mr. Bowlen should also reflect and perform his Bronco Discovery Time.

[robbieopperude]

Well, I guess I forgot my old username and password so that was my very first post under my new name.

[bfoflcommish]

The thing that really bothers me is this team has no heart and doesn't care.

walking out of stadium last night watching jumbotron some of the players were laughing walking off as of the game was a win or didnt matter anyways.

[fdf]

Originally Posted by robbieopperude

Now I just don't understand how Shanahan can let those games get away.

It's actually pretty easy. Without a running back, the team is not very good.

If you count O, D and special teams as the three dimensions of the game, we became a 1/2 dimensional team at the point twinkletoes takes over for Pope--good passing attack. Bad everything else.

If Pope had played the game, we win. If Hillis were healthy, we win the game. But only because Buffalo is crap. We only needed one dimension to beat them at home but we don't have even that. The horsepower just isn't there.

Shanahan is to blame for the years of horrible drafting (improved only in the last three years) that left the team hollow and needing to fix everything at once. But how many coaches in the NFL would have pulled off a
.500 season with these players and these injuries? I think it was a bloody miracle we even had a chance at the playoffs.

[Peoples Champ]

Originally Posted by robbieopperude

OK..I don't post on here often but this meltdown is really bothering me. I was a man who believed in Shanahan and I must admit I have recently lost a lot of faith. I use to find it acceptable to lose to the Chiefs in K.C. (when they were good) and I knew the Raiders games would be competitive (when they had Gruden). Now I just don't understand how Shanahan can let those games get away. I believe that a team led by Bill Cower this year would have at least 2 more wins. Even if they beat S.D next week I think it is woeful that we will get in the playoffs at 9-6. That is sad,sad,sad.

So I am in my Zen Bronco discovery time now. I look at Royal, B.Marsh, Cutler, and Champ and I think we have a couple nice pieces to the puzzle. Then again I look at playcalling, defense scheme, and players attitude and it has me worried.

Next week will tell us alot about where our team is. I think I will get my answers. The Broncos don't necessarily need to win to put back my confidence in Shanahan but if they get blown out I think Mr. Bowlen should also reflect and perform his Bronco Discovery Time.

Can you convince Cower to come out of retirement?

[robbieopperude]

If I could I would. He is a better Coach than Shanny without question. The problem Shanny has is that you still have to pretend you have a run game and get creative with playcalls in the 4th qtr. Having an empty backfield and slinging it 35 times doesn't set Cutler up for success. It makes him force stuff into tight windows. Run a reverse to Marshall or try an end around with Daniel Graham. Something to switch up the playcalling.

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by robbieopperude

... Run a reverse to Marshall or try an end around with Daniel Graham. Something to switch up the playcalling.

Shanny ran a reverse to Royal which gained 71 yards.

They gameplanned the QB counter from the shotgun. Cutler got 2 TD's rushing. I thought that was pretty smart.

What more do you expect they prepared very well for the guys they had during the week.

Do you think losing Pope who was tearing it up at RB had anything to do with the loss? That and a very bad D?

[broncosteven]

Where did you go Robbie?

I am awaiting your response to how Shanny could "mix it up" more on O.

[robbieopperude]

I stated my case. You can't just pass, pass, pass when you are in a close ball game in the 4th qtr. Royals reverse was in the first half. I can admit I didn't even see the game and I know that the Broncos passed all day in the 2nd half. I did like the call with running Jay a couple of times. But when it came down to crunch time Shanny became unimaginative and just dropped Jay back to pass over and over. In Shanny's defense Jay missed Stokley on the possession where he forced the pick.

I am just saying that Shanny needs to get more creative on 1st and 2nd down so that we aren't in so many 2nd and tens and 3rd and tens. I know our running game is hurting. That is why I mentioned a reverse or an end around. What about a short pass to a FB. We use to do that all the time a few years ago. I am just saying that I think I could call a better game in the 4th qtr than Shanny. I think a bunch of us could.

[Steve Prefontaine]

Originally Posted by robbieopperude

If I could I would. He is a better Coach than Shanny without question. The problem Shanny has is that you still have to pretend you have a run game and get creative with playcalls in the 4th qtr. Having an empty backfield and slinging it 35 times doesn't set Cutler up for success. It makes him force stuff into tight windows. Run a reverse to Marshall or try an end around with Daniel Graham. Something to switch up the playcalling.

joking, right? I would love to see that.

The Broncos have 7 RBs on IR. I know that people REALLY want to believe that has no bearing on the offense, but I kind of think it does. There is no consistency to the running game and they are asking Jay to fling it 50 times a game. It's just a tough situation.

[robbieopperude]

I would be willing to bet that an end around would catch the hell out out of most teams. You would be on the mane next week going Holy $*^% D.Graham just went for 7 yards on an end around on 2nd and 6 or could you beleive Shanny called an end around on 1st and goal from the 4. He is truly the Mastermind.

[Peoples Champ]

Originally Posted by robbieopperude

If I could I would. He is a better Coach than Shanny without question. The problem Shanny has is that you still have to pretend you have a run game and get creative with playcalls in the 4th qtr. Having an empty backfield and slinging it 35 times doesn't set Cutler up for success. It makes him force stuff into tight windows. Run a reverse to Marshall or try an end around with Daniel Graham. Something to switch up the playcalling.

My point was that you cannot, and there is nobody else better then Shannahan out there. So until you can prove that there is a better coach available. Shanahan stays.

[lex]

One of the huge momentum plays in the KC game was when Marshall fumbled while running an end around. Im sure it probably was a stupid call to many at that time...now people are clamoring for plays like that.

We had over 500 yards of offense. We were able to move the ball...so what does that say about the defense? And that makes the decision to try the FG doubly stupid. Because before that, their offense hadnt really done much.

[jonny1]

Originally Posted by lex

We had over 500 yards of offense. We were able to move the ball...so what does that say about the defense? And that makes the decision to try the FG doubly stupid. Because before that, their offense hadnt really done much.

(Emphasis mine).

You just contradicted yourself.

You have a kicker who hadn't missed from 50-55 all year, and the Bills hadn't done anything on offense, so why not kick it and figure the defense will hold them again. It's the percentages. So it was not stupid.

However, I knew as soon as he missed it that the Bills were going to score a TD, that is the way this year has been.

[lex]

Originally Posted by jonny1

(Emphasis mine).

You just contradicted yourself.

You have a kicker who hadn't missed from 50-55 all year, and the Bills hadn't done anything on offense, so why not kick it and figure the defense will hold them again. It's the percentages. So it was not stupid.

However, I knew as soon as he missed it that the Bills were going to score a TD, that is the way this year has been.

No, it was not really a contradiction. By punting, you make them less aggressive and running plays are moreso off the table. Jauron isnt exactly a big risk taker. If Denver had punted it, theres a chance Buffalo may have ran the ball to get out of the first half not wanting to risk an INT. But by giving Buffalo the ball at the 44, they were allowed to be more aggressive and running plays were more of an option.

[crawdad]

Does anyone remember that Buffalo owed us one from last year?
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8022c601

[Inkana7]

Wow. robbieopperude = fail.

[Steve Prefontaine]

Originally Posted by robbieopperude

I would be willing to bet that an end around would catch the hell out out of most teams. You would be on the mane next week going Holy $*^% D.Graham just went for 7 yards on an end around on 2nd and 6 or could you beleive Shanny called an end around on 1st and goal from the 4. He is truly the Mastermind.

Of course an end around to Daniel Graham would surprise the hell out of teams.

I can one up you...put Graham in at QB for a series! Just because it would catch a team of guard doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.

[broncosteven]

Originally Posted by robbieopperude

I stated my case. You can't just pass, pass, pass when you are in a close ball game in the 4th qtr. Royals reverse was in the first half. I can admit I didn't even see the game and I know that the Broncos passed all day in the 2nd half. I did like the call with running Jay a couple of times. But when it came down to crunch time Shanny became unimaginative and just dropped Jay back to pass over and over. In Shanny's defense Jay missed Stokley on the possession where he forced the pick.

... I think I could call a better game in the 4th qtr than Shanny. I think a bunch of us could.

So you are critiquing a game you did not even see? WTF!

You might be able to call a better game than a guy who's career is coaching football but you would have to show up to the game to call it.

Amazing people not watching a game but pissed about playcalls!

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by bfoflcommish

The thing that really bothers me is this team has no heart and doesn't care.

walking out of stadium last night watching jumbotron some of the players were laughing walking off as of the game was a win or didnt matter anyways.

[lifeafter elway]

I really think its BS - they have heart and they care, this team has more fight in it than we have seen in a long time here in denver. but we are spoiled, we had the ultimate "never say die" qb, and now everyone has to live up to it.

I am not happy right now, and I dread sunday. i really hate rivers, and i hate that he is likely to get another w against my beloved broncos.

and god - if we let shanny go for cowher - this is the dumbest team on earth. what did cowher do that shanny hasn't? I would rather take a chance on an unknown, than settle for cowher.

[Cito Pelon]

There's plenty of potential HC's out there that can win Div Titles and playoff games. Since 1998 there's been a lot of HC's not named Shanahan that have won Div Titles and playoff games. Point is, Shanahan is nothing special since 1998. I contend that if Shanny disappeared suddenly the result to the Broncos would be no different than if one were to take one's hand out of a pail of water.

[watermock]

Shanahan and Coyer took a substandard team that relied on turnovers one step from the SB, with Jake Plummer THREE YEARS AGO!

8 RB's on IR? I'd die for Sproles Sunday, yet alone LT, who is finally healthy.

Finally, this team is acending. We have 13 picks to draft with and bring some talent in along with a couple ringers in FA.

A stud RB along with Hillis and maybe Pope, we're set at RB.

We can spend 8 picks on D.

Shanahan isn't leaving, nor should he. This team is young and talented..

[tsiguy96]

you people who keep saying you cant pass pass pass, who is supposed to run the ball? the people who will get 2 yards and make us go 3 and out? do you really think that works?

[tsiguy96]

the fact that some people here think they know offenses better then mike shanahan is possibly the biggest joke you will ever hear. he has 30+ years and 2 super bowl rings in his belt, what do you all have?