PFW's rundown

[lex]

http://www.profootballweekly.com/PFW...as/default.htm

Enjoy.

[Requiem]

Thanks bro.

[anton]

lex, your wishlist is unrealistic.

Wells wont be around. Mack and Butler are both early 2nd rd picks. The only guy who might be available is Rashaad Johnson in the 2nd. And the Cal Poly WR is gonna shoot up draft boards so he wont be there.

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by anton

lex, your wishlist is unrealistic.

Wells wont be around. Mack and Butler are both early 2nd rd picks. The only guy who might be available is Rashaad Johnson in the 2nd. And the Cal Poly WR is gonna shoot up draft boards so he wont be there.

SHUT THE JMFW UP!

[Dexter]

Originally Posted by anton

lex, your wishlist is unrealistic.

Wells wont be around. Mack and Butler are both early 2nd rd picks. The only guy who might be available is Rashaad Johnson in the 2nd. And the Cal Poly WR is gonna shoot up draft boards so he wont be there.

Not really. At this point nothing is unrealistic. Anything can happen in the draft, and we haven't even had pro days, bowl games or combines. Its impossible to say where a players stock will be on draft day a good few months before hand.

If somebody were to tell me that no WR's would be taken in the first round last year, I would have probably laughed. But it did happen, and no one can predict stuff like that.

You may turn out to be right and wells could be well gone before we pick, but then you could be oh so very wrong.

[lex]

Originally Posted by anton

lex, your wishlist is unrealistic.

Wells wont be around. Mack and Butler are both early 2nd rd picks. The only guy who might be available is Rashaad Johnson in the 2nd. And the Cal Poly WR is gonna shoot up draft boards so he wont be there.

I think there are only a couple of teams that might take Wells, when you look at the teams in front of us. Its not entirely far fetched. Obviously, teams might take a position thats not their biggest teams and others may trade up.

I see Mack being ranked lower than what a lot of web sites had him earlier in the year, which was in line with what youre saying.

Another thing, if you look at a variety of web sites, you can come up with well over 70 guys who could potentially be early 2nds. Its hard to fit 70 guys in the first 50 picks.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Originally Posted by anton

lex, your wishlist is unrealistic.

Wells wont be around. Mack and Butler are both early 2nd rd picks. The only guy who might be available is Rashaad Johnson in the 2nd. And the Cal Poly WR is gonna shoot up draft boards so he wont be there.

not necessarily. considering where we will end up picking and considering who is in front of us. it isn't far fetched to think some of those guys slide. also putting teams needs into account, it isn't unthinkable that some guys who we now think will be gone when we pick wil actually be there.

plus with the combine and pro days coming, some guys are going to rise others will fall before April.

My only thing is, i can't see us taking Mack. he is a stud Center, but we drafted Lichtensteiger last season to be our Center of the future, and he was ranked as one of the top Centers in last years draft. Far too soon to give up on him.

[lex]

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

not necessarily. considering where we will end up picking and considering who is in front of us. it isn't far fetched to think some of those guys slide. also putting teams needs into account, it isn't unthinkable that some guys who we now think will be gone when we pick wil actually be there.

plus with the combine and pro days coming, some guys are going to rise others will fall before April.

My only thing is, i can't see us taking Mack. he is a stud Center, but we drafted Lichtensteiger last season to be our Center of the future, and he was ranked as one of the top Centers in last years draft. Far too soon to give up on him.

We need one more interior lineman to really carve out the defense for the running game. I think there are a few guys in this draft who are better than was L'steiger at that. But either way, whether its L'steiger at C and Mack at LG or vice versa, I think Hamilton gets rag-dolled too much. In the end, not a lot of teams draft centers in the first 3 rounds (which is why I think theyre undervalued) and it ultimately comes down to what teams value. Depending on where you look, Luigs and Unger might be slotted higher, but, again, it comes down to what a team values, who is going to draft a center in the first couple of rounds.

But if Mack was gone, Id also take Luigs. I think he is also someone worth taking.

A couple of years ago, leading up to the draft, I kind of wanted us to take Ryan Kalil and lately Carolina's running game has been amazing. When you consider the interior OL is kind of the tip of the spear, especially where the running game is concerned, I dont mind taking Cs high at all.

[ohiobronco2]

L'steiger can play either Center or Guard. Doesn't hurt to have additional O linemen.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Originally Posted by lex

We need one more interior lineman to really carve out the defense for the running game. I think there are a few guys in this draft who are better than was L'steiger at that. But either way, whether its L'steiger at C and Mack at LG or vice versa, I think Hamilton gets rag-dolled too much. In the end, not a lot of teams draft centers in the first 3 rounds (which is why I think theyre undervalued) and it ultimately comes down to what teams value. Depending on where you look, Luigs and Unger might be slotted higher, but, again, it comes down to what a team values, who is going to draft a center in the first couple of rounds.

But if Mack was gone, Id also take Luigs. I think he is also someone worth taking.

A couple of years ago, leading up to the draft, I kind of wanted us to take Ryan Kalil and lately Carolina's running game has been amazing. When you consider the interior OL is kind of the tip of the spear, especially where the running game is concerned, I dont mind taking Cs high at all.

see i agree with you about a high pick on a C for the running game, but, then i think with our scheme in the running game, it is complex for most rookies to be able to come in a contribute right away(Clady doesn't count. i think he is a 10 year veteran who somehow got drafted this year) plus, with C not usually being a high pick, and considering the bunch of other needs this team has, i think it would be a waste to use a high pick on a guy like Mack.

[lex]

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

see i agree with you about a high pick on a C for the running game, but, then i think with our scheme in the running game, it is complex for most rookies to be able to come in a contribute right away(Clady doesn't count. i think he is a 10 year veteran who somehow got drafted this year) plus, with C not usually being a high pick, and considering the bunch of other needs this team has, i think it would be a waste to use a high pick on a guy like Mack.

One wonders if it actually the scheme or the fact that, for the most part, we have been relying on drafting low round projects. And I would say improving the running game is also a big need. Lets not forget that against Miami we had under 20 yards rushing. We are fairly close to possibly having a juggernaut offense and should pick up pieces when presented the opportunity.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Originally Posted by lex

One wonders if it actually the scheme or the fact that, for the most part, we have been relying on drafting low round projects. And I would say improving the running game is also a big need. Lets not forget that against Miami we had under 20 yards rushing. We are fairly close to possibly having a juggernaut offense and should pick up pieces when presented the opportunity.

i agree that improving the running game is one of the most important things for this team to accomplish before we are considered contenders.

however, i don't think the problem in our running game is with the linemen. Our line has opened up huge holes, and our ground game looked good when we didn't have b**** RB's carrying the load. Hillis looked great running behind our line. Pittman looked like he did 5 years ago running behind our line.

Honestly, i think we could stand to upgrade and possibly replace Hamilton which would make the line even better, but i don't think it is a major need at the moment. depth on the line would be good, but not replacements. I say instead of using a 2nd or 3rd round pick on Mack, we use a 2nd or 3rd round pick on a good RB, because talented stronger RB's looked good this year. it is the late round smaller RB's who are making the running game look bad.

But the offensive line is proven to be a position like WR. it is a spot where the majority of rookies take a year or 2 before the are up to speed.

And with the Miami game, once we were behind 16-7 we completely abandoned the running game and put the ball in Jay's hands.

[chaz]

2. Knowshon Moreno, Georgia**
5-10½e, 210e, 4.45e

A very naturally instinctive runner, Moreno can do it all. He’s both sudden and strong, capable of running through or around tacklers, and has shown game-breaking, game-changing ability. Is not easily hit squarely and might lack excellent top-end speed but consistently has shown he can finish runs. Has a very natural feel for finding running lanes, can run inside with authority and shows the perimeter quickness to take the corner. Grades out similarly to Cadillac Williams in the area of competitiveness, and Moreno’s passion for the game is clearly evident every time he touches the ball. Runs with excellent peripheral vision, great balance and pad level. Is able to stay on his feet through clutter and scoot to daylight. A highlight-reel runner, Moreno is an impact player who is expected to declare as a redshirt sophomore.

DOES THIS GUY NOT SCREAM BRONCOS RB?!?!

[summerdenver]

Originally Posted by chaz

2. Knowshon Moreno, Georgia**
5-10½e, 210e, 4.45e

A very naturally instinctive runner, Moreno can do it all. He’s both sudden and strong, capable of running through or around tacklers, and has shown game-breaking, game-changing ability. Is not easily hit squarely and might lack excellent top-end speed but consistently has shown he can finish runs. Has a very natural feel for finding running lanes, can run inside with authority and shows the perimeter quickness to take the corner. Grades out similarly to Cadillac Williams in the area of competitiveness, and Moreno’s passion for the game is clearly evident every time he touches the ball. Runs with excellent peripheral vision, great balance and pad level. Is able to stay on his feet through clutter and scoot to daylight. A highlight-reel runner, Moreno is an impact player who is expected to declare as a redshirt sophomore.

DOES THIS GUY NOT SCREAM BRONCOS RB?!?!

I am a big fan of Moreno. If we are going to keep slowik next year, there is no point drafting defensive players as it will be wasted anyway and i would like us to draft Moreno in 1st.

[nickademus]

since we are drafting in the 12 slot I am not sure that Moreno will be the pick IMHO we would need to move down to 15-20 range if we were going to take Moreno. I would love a move that netted Moreno and Spikes in the first for us but that would be costly down the road. I would put wells on your radar as well. I have to believe that we will look hard at all three MLBs Taylor Mays and possibly one of the CBs that are in this range. to me the best thing to do would be to move down and pick up additional picks that can be turned into another first get the MLB and RB we want and then take Johnson in the second assumeing we still have the pick after trades followed by Chung in the third. that would be four picks in three rounds netting four starters. The one thing to watch is what we do in FA with Crowder and Vilma hitting the market we may bypass the mlb's in this draft for one of these two and there are a few safetys that should be available as well. I expect Denver to fill two to three holes before the draft which would open the door for shanny to take a RB. On a side note I dont really care how it gets done but the personel on D sucks and it must be upgraded.

[summerdenver]

Originally Posted by nickademus

since we are drafting in the 12 slot I am not sure that Moreno will be the pick IMHO we would need to move down to 15-20 range if we were going to take Moreno. I would love a move that netted Moreno and Spikes in the first for us but that would be costly down the road. I would put wells on your radar as well. I have to believe that we will look hard at all three MLBs Taylor Mays and possibly one of the CBs that are in this range. to me the best thing to do would be to move down and pick up additional picks that can be turned into another first get the MLB and RB we want and then take Johnson in the second assumeing we still have the pick after trades followed by Chung in the third. that would be four picks in three rounds netting four starters. The one thing to watch is what we do in FA with Crowder and Vilma hitting the market we may bypass the mlb's in this draft for one of these two and there are a few safetys that should be available as well. I expect Denver to fill two to three holes before the draft which would open the door for shanny to take a RB. On a side note I dont really care how it gets done but the personel on D sucks and it must be upgraded.

Moreno is not expected to run fast and could slip to 25 - 32 range. He is not a big guy and if those guys are not fast, they tend to slip. I agree 12 would be high for moreno and Ideally we should trade down and pick him.

[BroncoMan4ever]

Originally Posted by summerdenver

Moreno is not expected to run fast and could slip to 25 - 32 range. He is not a big guy and if those guys are not fast, they tend to slip. I agree 12 would be high for moreno and Ideally we should trade down and pick him.

he for those reasons is not worth a 1st round pick. he is too small to be a power back and too slow to be a speed back, he will be just another ordinary runner. we need size, strength and power. not small, slow and fits the scheme

[chaz]

depending on the combine numbers, declaring underclassmen, and draft day flow it is quite possible moreno could fall to us in the second round...

[Broncoman13]

I love Moreno's intensity and enthusiasm on the field. While most are comparing him to Caddy right now, the RB he most reminds me of is DeAngelo Williams. Watch DeAngelo while he was at Memphis and it's almost a spitting image of Moreno. I'm certainly not comparing him to Barry Sanders, but Sanders didn't have elite speed either. Denver would be very smart to add a LB and a RB in this draft. Stay at 12 and draft your choice of Curry, Laurinitis, Spikes, Rey Rey and move back into the first to get your RB. This IS the year of both the RB and LB. I would only move up for Moreno or Wells though. Greene, Davis, Spiller, etc should have decent careers and be around in the 2nd/3rd rounds. I feel strongly that a backfield with Hillis and Moreno or Hillis and Wells would put us to the very top of offense production.

[Breaker]

Picking at the #12 spot in this class almost ensures that we must take a safety with the pick. As PFW points out the depth of the class at linebacker is insane while the depth in the secondary is horrible. We need both positions so you take the position that has fewer quality players first. The ONLY offensive player that I would accept drafting on this team is Alex Mack but he is going to be gone by the end of the first round. We need to spend every single pick on the defense this year. I also believe that with the incredible # of picks that we have we need to package them and move up for better players, at this point its quality over quantity.

[nickademus]

I just dont really like the Top end Safteys that will go in this draft IMHO there will be better free agent Safteys out there. Landry in balt and Atogwe from stl not to mention Mike Brown and Brian Dawkins if we are looking for a lynch type. If we are looking at a FA corner I would go with Dunta Robinson of the texans over the guy in oakland.
I really think that we should look to go MLB and RB in round one get a FA safety and draft another Safety like P. Chung Get a prospect Sam and some Dline help as well as O-line depth. The only way our D-line is upgraded next season is thorugh FA as rookies rarely make an impact so in this line of thought I would like Marcus Spears from Dallas for our LDE and Sugges in Balt but if we get Haynesworth that would be ok also. Spears will take a trade but would be worh it. I would like a DT in this draft that goes over 320 and could develop into our big body on the line any suggestions rd3-5?

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by nickademus

I would like a DT in this draft that goes over 320 and could develop into our big body on the line any suggestions?

*cough* BJ Raji *cough*

[lex]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

*cough* BJ Raji *cough*

What about Ron Brace?

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by lex

What about Ron Brace?

Like him in the 4th round or so. It's always hard to tell when you have two top prospects playing next to one another exactly how much one guy benefits from having the other there. I think Brace benefits quite a bit from having Raji right there getting all the attention.

[lex]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Like him in the 4th round or so. It's always hard to tell when you have two top prospects playing next to one another exactly how much one guy benefits from having the other there. I think Brace benefits quite a bit from having Raji right there getting all the attention.

Didnt Brace play without Raji last year when Raji was suspended?