Is Prater a Fred Steinfort clone? - The Orange Mane

broncosteven · 12-18-2008, 10:39 AM

Steinfort's Sore spot was from 40-49 yards out.

In his career he was 19/42 from that distance.

Prater is 5/13 from same distance in his shorter career, his nightmare spot as well.

From 50+ Prater is 5/5 Steinfort was 5/11

From 30-39 yards out:

Prater 7/8 and Steinfort 17/35

From 20-29 yards:

Prater 8/6, Steinfort 20/24

From 1-19:

Prater is 0/0 (100% Baby!) Steinfort 2/2 (also 100% b****!)

Prater is 100% on PAT whereas Steinfort missed 7, SEVEN, in his 8 year career.

Clearly Prater is better than Steinfort was, but if he doesn't develop over the offseason and not get better he may make a run at Steinfort's numbers.

Merlin · 12-18-2008, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

In his career he was 19/42 from that distance.

Prater is 5/13 from same distance in his shorter career, his nightmare spot as well.

The sad (good?) part is he is not missing by much in most (all?) of those kicks. Hopefully some summer coaching and sports psych can ameliorate this problem. Otherwise he has been great at all other kicks.

Hotrod · 12-18-2008, 11:01 AM

From 20-29 yards:

Prater 8/6, Steinfort 20/24

Prater is the **** at this distance.

Beantown Bronco · 12-18-2008, 11:02 AM

I'd like to go back and see where the ball has been placed for his misses. I have a feeling that almost all of them are from the right hash, not the left hash or center. I believe this is due to his style of kicking, where there is no "hook" or "draw". His kicks almost always go very straight.

SouthStndJunkie · 12-18-2008, 11:02 AM

Look out....the PraterBaters will be in here soon to stroke off his 67.6 career FG %.

oubronco · 12-18-2008, 11:02 AM

he needs some boobie mojo thats all

Merlin · 12-18-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I'd like to go back and see where the ball has been placed for his misses. I have a feeling that almost all of them are from the right hash, not the left hash or center. I believe this is due to his style of kicking, where there is no "hook" or "draw". His kicks almost always go very straight.

The one's I remember were right hash, but I can't remember all of them.

ColoradoDarin · 12-18-2008, 11:06 AM

Jason Elam in 1993 was 4/10 from 40-49 yards (4/6 from 50+).

Maybe Prater is an Elam clone?

Man-Goblin · 12-18-2008, 11:09 AM

Prater started to tail off once he got those tattoos.

SouthStndJunkie · 12-18-2008, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

Jason Elam in 1993 was 4/10 from 40-49 yards (4/6 from 50+).

Maybe Prater is an Elam clone?

16 years from now, if Prater has 1900+ plus points and 16 seasons of 100+ points, I will admit I was wrong about him.

Hotrod · 12-18-2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by SouthStndJunkie

16 years from now, if Prater has 1900+ plus points and 16 seasons of 100+ points, I will admit I was wrong about him.

Just to be fair I've copied this post and intend to hold you to this deal. I'll check back in 16 years and see what is what

SouthStndJunkie · 12-18-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Dortoh

Just to be fair I've copied this post and intend to hold you to this deal. I'll check back in 16 years and see what is what

I hope to be eating 16 year old crow at that time.

DomCasual · 12-18-2008, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Dortoh

Just to be fair I've copied this post and intend to hold you to this deal. I'll check back in 16 years and see what is what

Dude, I hope you stop eating that deep-fried ravioli soon.

broncosteven · 12-18-2008, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

Jason Elam in 1993 was 4/10 from 40-49 yards (4/6 from 50+).

Maybe Prater is an Elam clone?

What is his career #'s from that distance. My argument was based on Career #'s not single season...even if Prater is a 1st year guy, Steinfort wasn't.

I still think this would make an interesting comparision for some local TV Sports guy to do on a mid week night.

Clockwork Orange · 12-18-2008, 02:42 PM

He's kicking more like Fred Sanford these days.

ColoradoDarin · 12-18-2008, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

What is his career #'s from that distance. My argument was based on Career #'s not single season...even if Prater is a 1st year guy, Steinfort wasn't.

I still think this would make an interesting comparision for some local TV Sports guy to do on a mid week night.

I'm comparing apples to apples - Elam's first full year of kicking in the NFL to Prater's first full year of kicking in the NFL. I have no use for oranges at this time.

Houshyamama · 12-18-2008, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dortoh

From 20-29 yards:

Prater 8/6, Steinfort 20/24

Prater is the **** at this distance.

Kicks it through the uprights, around the world and back through. 2/1

Broncobiv · 12-18-2008, 03:34 PM

I don't really understand the comparison you're trying to make here.

50+ yards
Steinfort: 45%
Prater: 100%

40-49 yards
Steinfort: 45%
Prater: 38%

30-39 yards
Steinfort: 49%
Prater: 89%

20-29 yards
Steinfort: 83%
Prater: 75%

PAT
Steinfort: Missed 7 in 8 years
Prater: Perfect

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

Steinfort's Sore spot was from 40-49 yards out.

It also seems that Steinfort's sore spot was from 50+ with the same % as 40-49. And he had another sore spot from 30-39 with a % nearly as bad as the other two. In reality, it seems that Steinfort's "sore spot" was any field goal from 30+ yards. I have no idea who this guy is, but he basically seems like a horrible kicker, plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by broncosteven

Clearly Prater is better than Steinfort was, but if he doesn't develop over the offseason and not get better he may make a run at Steinfort's numbers.

If Prater doesn't get better in the offseason, he may make a run at Steinfort's numbers? Prater has immensely better numbers from 50+ and 30-39, and his 20-29 number is still very comparable. The only range they're similarly inept at is 40-49, and while that was the point of your post, you're ignoring the fact that Steinfort apparently sucked at every distance over 30 yards.

You're comparing Prater to a guy with a lifetime 55% FG percentage, just because he's been bad from 40-49 (and solid under and over that). I think the comparison is completely unwarranted.

Cmac821 · 12-18-2008, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncobiv

I don't really understand the comparison you're trying to make here.

50+ yards
Steinfort: 45%
Prater: 100%

40-49 yards
Steinfort: 45%
Prater: 38%

30-39 yards
Steinfort: 49%
Prater: 89%

20-29 yards
Steinfort: 83%
Prater: 75%

PAT
Steinfort: Missed 7 in 8 years
Prater: Perfect

It also seems that Steinfort's sore spot was from 50+ with the same % as 40-49. And he had another sore spot from 30-39 with a % nearly as bad as the other two. In reality, it seems that Steinfort's "sore spot" was any field goal from 30+ yards. I have no idea who this guy is, but he basically seems like a horrible kicker, plain and simple.

If Prater doesn't get better in the offseason, he may make a run at Steinfort's numbers? Prater has immensely better numbers from 50+ and 30-39, and his 20-29 number is still very comparable. The only range they're similarly inept at is 40-49, and while that was the point of your post, you're ignoring the fact that Steinfort apparently sucked at every distance over 30 yards.

You're comparing Prater to a guy with a lifetime 55% FG percentage, just because he's been bad from 40-49 (and solid under and over that). I think the comparison is completely unwarranted.

Very nice, I would give rep but I don't think I can or I don't know how.

cutthemdown · 12-18-2008, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Clockwork Orange

He's kicking more like Fred Sanford these days.

O

OL!!!!!!!!!

broncosteven · 12-18-2008, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncobiv

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You're comparing Prater to a guy with a lifetime 55% FG percentage, just because he's been bad from 40-49 (and solid under and over that). I think the comparison is completely unwarranted.

The guy with a 55% FG percentage may have played 8 years but he only played a full season twice both years with the Broncos. in 1980 he had the best year of his career with a 76.5% FG percentage. That year is better than Praters so far, Prater has a 73.3% FG percentage so far.

I could have presented it better but there is a valid argument that he needs to make some adjustments this offseason or he will be out on the street quickly.

azbroncfan · 12-18-2008, 07:51 PM

Is he WHO? I thought he was Matt Prater?

broncosteven · 12-18-2008, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin

I'm comparing apples to apples - Elam's first full year of kicking in the NFL to Prater's first full year of kicking in the NFL. I have no use for oranges at this time.

If you compare all 3 guys 1st full seasons would that make you happy?

Steinfort 1980 FG% = 76.5, Career % 55.3
Elam 1993 =74.3%, Career % 81.3
Prater 2008 = 73.3%, Career % 67.6
Rich Karlis 1983= 84.0%, Career % 72 (Bonus comparison)

Only Elam got better after his 1st year, Jury still out on Prater.

Prater could go either way and needs to make some adjustments this offseason or he will be looking for work in a year or so. I hope he puts in the work and becomes the next Elam, that remains to be seen.

azbroncfan · 12-18-2008, 09:36 PM

That Steinfort guy looks like a ****ty K and probably lasted only a couple years in the league.

PaintballCLE · 12-18-2008, 10:12 PM

bring back treadwell lol

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broncosteven The Kranz Dictum MWA: Flight Director Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Tranquility Base Posts: 29,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: MONEYBALL #38	Is Prater a Fred Steinfort clone? Steinfort's Sore spot was from 40-49 yards out. In his career he was 19/42 from that distance. Prater is 5/13 from same distance in his shorter career, his nightmare spot as well. From 50+ Prater is 5/5 Steinfort was 5/11 From 30-39 yards out: Prater 7/8 and Steinfort 17/35 From 20-29 yards: Prater 8/6, Steinfort 20/24 From 1-19: Prater is 0/0 (100% Baby!) Steinfort 2/2 (also 100% b****!) Prater is 100% on PAT whereas Steinfort missed 7, SEVEN, in his 8 year career. Clearly Prater is better than Steinfort was, but if he doesn't develop over the offseason and not get better he may make a run at Steinfort's numbers.

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12-18-2008, 11:01 AM	#3
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	From 20-29 yards: Prater 8/6, Steinfort 20/24 Prater is the **** at this distance.

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Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,039 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	I'd like to go back and see where the ball has been placed for his misses. I have a feeling that almost all of them are from the right hash, not the left hash or center. I believe this is due to his style of kicking, where there is no "hook" or "draw". His kicks almost always go very straight.

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SouthStndJunkie Ring of Famer Shannon Says: Listen to The Junkman Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 15,237	Look out....the PraterBaters will be in here soon to stroke off his 67.6 career FG %.

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ColoradoDarin Ring of Famer AFCW Champs! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: St Augustine, FL Posts: 5,521 Adopt-a-Bronco: Knowshon's Shoe	Jason Elam in 1993 was 4/10 from 40-49 yards (4/6 from 50+). Maybe Prater is an Elam clone?

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Man-Goblin Giving You The Business Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 5,588 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Prater started to tail off once he got those tattoos.

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Clockwork Orange Persona Non Grata I seen him! Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 21,438	He's kicking more like Fred Sanford these days.

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azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	That Steinfort guy looks like a ****ty K and probably lasted only a couple years in the league.

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