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Old 12-15-2008, 11:44 AM   #1
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Sooners QB to do his homework before determining football future


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By Tim Griffin

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Updated: December 10, 2008, 3:26 PM ET

Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford told an Oklahoma newspaper that he will consider all options before making a decision whether to declare for the NFL draft.

Bradford's announcement comes only a few days after he led the Sooners to the Big 12 championship and a berth in the Jan. 8 FedEx BCS National Championship Game in Miami against Florida.

Bradford said he and his father, Kent, a former Oklahoma offensive lineman in the 1970s, plan to consult with NFL coaches, general managers and scouts to glean as much information as possible before deciding whether to return to the Sooners next season.

"It's going to be a process," Bradford told the Oklahoman of Oklahoma City. "Even if I think I know what I want to do right now, there's kind of a need to get as much information as possible so that looking back on this decision years down the road, you don't regret anything because you didn't go after the information needed to make the right decision."

Bradford, a redshirt sophomore, has two years of eligibility remaining if he decides to return. He led the nation with 48 touchdowns passes and in passing efficiency while throwing for a school-record 4,464 yards for the 12-1 Sooners this season.

Underclassmen must declare for the NFL draft by Jan. 15.

Tim Griffin covers college football for ESPN.com. You may reach him at espntimgriff@yahoo.com.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:51 AM   #2
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I think he should return for another year.

In general QBs who come out with 3 or more years of starting experience do better than QBs who come out with 2 or fewers years. So in the long term he will probably be better off taking another year, getting more experience and tuning his game.

The only real risk he runs by returning is injury, since he has 2 years of eligibility left, even if the team plays poorly next year he can return for his senior year and raise his stock again.

With the QB class this year looking pretty weak, he may end up being drafted higher than he should be, but he will probably then end up like Alex Smith, Jamarcus Russell or David Carr, being bludgeoned to crap and never getting that second big contract. If he declares in a strong year, he may end up like Cutler or Rivers or Roethlisberger or Flacco on a strong team where he can grow into a star player.
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Old 12-15-2008, 11:57 AM   #3
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If he thinks he can go top 3 He should come out. New CBA will mean Rookie slotting. This is the last year he can get big cash. out the gate. Screw the whole better player deal.
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No. His arm is nothing special. He's benefitted from the likes of Duke Robinson and Phil Loadholt giving him a nice pocket to throw from. He has a great group of skill position players (Iglesias, Grisham, Murray) that have done a lot of damage after they touch the ball.
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If they win the NC, he's coming out. What would he have left to prove. The coming rookie salary-cap will have more kids than ever coming out early in 2009-10
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From a business point of view, it doesn't make much sense for him to play another year at OU. Bradford is a great player and he's had a great season, but most of his success was predicated on his supporting cast--he had a dominant Offensive Line ahead of him that is composed mostly of upperclassmen, at least 3 or 4 of which will go in the draft this year, a dominant junior TE in Gresham who will probably declare, and great receiving corps with Chaney and Iglesias probably declaring this year as well. Demarco Murray might also be leaving for the NFL this year, although he's one guy I think should definitely play another year of college ball to improve his stock.

Bradford's still developing as a quarterback, but the amount of money he stands to lose by coming back is too much. Hell, he's probably still got a lot of physical development ahead of him as well. Hopefully whatever team drafts him will have the patience to let him sit for at least 1 year, if not 2.
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No. His arm is nothing special. He's benefitted from the likes of Duke Robinson and Phil Loadholt giving him a nice pocket to throw from. He has a great group of skill position players (Iglesias, Grisham, Murray) that have done a lot of damage after they touch the ball.

Again, how many games have you watched out in CA? I love how everyone says he has a rag arm. You're not going to be projected a top 10 pick as a QB if your arm is "nothing special"...

If Bradford was not running this offense and giving these other skill players (Gresham, BTW, not Grisham) opportunities, then they would not be scoring like they do. Bradford has a dynamic arm. They guy can hit every type of throw WITH accuracy.

I swear the hate on this board and the fickle attitudes for everything INCLUDING the Broncos is sickening.

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Old 12-15-2008, 12:16 PM   #8
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Again, how many games have you watched out in CA? I love how everyone says he has a rag arm. You're not going to be projected a top 10 pick as a QB if your arm is "nothing special"...

I swear the hate on this board and the fickle attitudes for everything INCLUDING the Broncos is sickening.
Chalking Bradford's success up to a good supporting cast is silly. Those folks obviously didnt catch many Sooners games this season while the OL was committing tons of stupid penalties and his receivers dropped tons of perfect passes.

His top two pass catchers both had the dropsies all year: Manuel Johnson (because of his elbow) and Gresham.

He was just about this good last season as a freshman.

The guy makes reads in a flash, delivers a screaming ball in stride, and can make every throw on the field. He's athletic, smart, clutch, and everything else you would want in a QB.

Kiper calls him the next Peyton Manning.

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i think if he wants money, he has to come out now. He will be a top 5 pick more than likely, and this is going to be the last guaranteed year of getting a huge rookie contract with the CBA crap hitting the following season.
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Kiper calls him the next Peyton Manning.
OMG! The kiss of death. He might as well come back to OU. Notice how Tebow isn't mentioned as one of the top QB's coming out?
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OMG! The kiss of death. He might as well come back to OU. Notice how Tebow isn't mentioned as one of the top QB's coming out?
That's because he wont be a QB in the pros.
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That's because he wont be a QB in the pros.
According to some.
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Old 12-15-2008, 01:37 PM   #13
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I love how people rag on Bradford and think he doesn't have the arm for the NFL.
Guy has amazing accuracy and a decent arm. Is it like Cutler's? No, but it its an NFL arm.
He generally doesn't force anything and has great poise.
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That depends on whether he wants to play for Detroit. On a positive note, he would always be playing football on Thanksgiving...
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Kiper calls him the next Peyton Manning.
Kiper called Cutler the next Jeff George and said there would be a high likelyhood he would be a bust while praising Leinart and Young as future HOFers...
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Next Peyton and a Detriot Lion= Stay in School
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Again, how many games have you watched out in CA? I love how everyone says he has a rag arm. You're not going to be projected a top 10 pick as a QB if your arm is "nothing special"...

If Bradford was not running this offense and giving these other skill players (Gresham, BTW, not Grisham) opportunities, then they would not be scoring like they do. Bradford has a dynamic arm. They guy can hit every type of throw WITH accuracy.

I swear the hate on this board and the fickle attitudes for everything INCLUDING the Broncos is sickening.
This is coming from an Oklahoma homer, somebody who can't make a college football opinion on here unless it involves the Sooners.

I lived in Big XII country for half of the season so I have seen a handful of Bradford's games. Bradford is a good athlete and he does have great touch, but he still has an average arm for NFL standards. Tools wise, Matt Stafford of Georgia blows him away.

I still think Bradford worthy of first round consideration, but he's not a slam dunk franchise QB. Just an opinion. None of the NFL-eligible QBs this year strike me as a sure-fire franchise type including Stafford.
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I love how people rag on Bradford and think he doesn't have the arm for the NFL.
Guy has amazing accuracy and a decent arm. Is it like Cutler's? No, but it its an NFL arm.
He generally doesn't force anything and has great poise.
Look what we have here, another guy with a Bradford man crush who happens to live in Norman.
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That depends on whether he wants to play for Detroit. On a positive note, he would always be playing football on Thanksgiving...
If a QB gets taken by Detroit, it's going to be Stafford.
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This is coming from an Oklahoma homer, somebody who can't make a college football opinion on here unless it involves the Sooners.

I lived in Big XII country for half of the season so I have seen a handful of Bradford's games. Bradford is a good athlete and he does have great touch, but he still has an average arm for NFL standards. Tools wise, Matt Stafford of Georgia blows him away.

I still think Bradford worthy of first round consideration, but he's not a slam dunk franchise QB. Just an opinion. None of the NFL-eligible QBs this year strike me as a sure-fire franchise type including Stafford.

And in you we have a Tebow apologizing SEC shill.

You shouldnt throw stones from your glass house,
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Chalking Bradford's success up to a good supporting cast is silly. Those folks obviously didnt catch many Sooners games this season while the OL was committing tons of stupid penalties and his receivers dropped tons of perfect passes.

His top two pass catchers both had the dropsies all year: Manuel Johnson (because of his elbow) and Gresham.

He was just about this good last season as a freshman.

The guy makes reads in a flash, delivers a screaming ball in stride, and can make every throw on the field. He's athletic, smart, clutch, and everything else you would want in a QB.

Kiper calls him the next Peyton Manning.
If anything, I think this proves Bradford is going to be a monumental bust. I think the days in which you could use Kiper to validate your opinion are over.
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If anything, I think this proves Bradford is going to be a monumental bust. I think the days in which you could use Kiper to validate your opinion are over.
Who said that I used him to validate an opinion?

I used his observation to illustrate what Bradford is in the context of players more familiar to those here who might not be aware of what Bradford is. I know what Bradford is, along with the other Sooners fans who have seen him play a majority of the games over the past two seasons.

Some people have only seen a few highlights and could benefit from a broader-based understanding, as is evidenced by the guy who said that Bradford was a product of his complement.
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I'm an OU grad and fan, and I'm STILL skeptical about Bradford. He's good, and has great potential, but when he goes high in the draft this year, it'll be to a team that is desperate. If they start him right away, I think his NFL career will be over within 3 years. If he gets to develop on the bench, he has a great chance of becoming the next Philip Rivers (in terms of production, not in terms of being a compelte d!&k). He's got better throwing mechanics than Rivers (I think), and he shows the same accuracy and touch. He's also not stupid (like Rivers, who unfortunately is an intelligent guy).
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This is coming from an Oklahoma homer, somebody who can't make a college football opinion on here unless it involves the Sooners.

I lived in Big XII country for half of the season so I have seen a handful of Bradford's games. Bradford is a good athlete and he does have great touch, but he still has an average arm for NFL standards. Tools wise, Matt Stafford of Georgia blows him away.

I still think Bradford worthy of first round consideration, but he's not a slam dunk franchise QB. Just an opinion. None of the NFL-eligible QBs this year strike me as a sure-fire franchise type including Stafford.
Stafford arguably has as much talent around him as Bradford. Tools wise, Jeff George was the greatest QB that ever lived...

Tools alone will not make you a great QB.

Homer I may be, but it doesn't mean I don't have opinions on other faucets of college football. I usually only chime in to refute shallow opinions on the Sooners.
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I love how people rag on Bradford and think he doesn't have the arm for the NFL.
Guy has amazing accuracy and a decent arm. Is it like Cutler's? No, but it its an NFL arm.
He generally doesn't force anything and has great poise.
He's this years Matt Ryan. Solid QB, not a lot of great talents, but a solid QB.
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