Who does Asomugha Cover? - Page 2 - The Orange Mane

TheReverend · 11-21-2008, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

Who is his assignment? Marshall or Royal? They didnt face Marshall the first go around but got Royally burned. If you are the front office, who do you have your best CB on?

What I would do:

Stick Nmandi on Royal all game in single press coverage. Throw their other CB (dont know who it is) on Marshall in press coverage with safety help over the top the entire game. Marshall's biggest weakness is being double covered and not being able to get out of the coverage. Asomugha's the best bet they have in covering Royal. Royal is exceptionally good at beating any coverages be it zone, man or some combo with a safety cheating over.

So, this leaves Stokely, Graham and Hills free to make plays.

To be honest, with Royal and Marshall both being such threads and really only one cover guy I dont see how the Raiders handle the Denver offense effectively, but I dont profess to know much about the cesspool that is Jokeland other than the greatness that is Asomugha.

Discuss.

Awesome post Alec and that's exactly how they should play it. Only to be a little more specific, we'll see a cover 2 shell from the safeties all game long except in _and short and goalline spots, and odds are they'll use their decent coverage linebackers to zone out the underneath routes. I'll expect a lot of man coverages from Nnamdi and who-ever, specifically lining up on the outside shoulder of the receivers to keep the routes inside to the LBs and the safeties.

With the injury depleted running game, they'll stay in that shell, inviting Mike to run it with Hillis/Pope/Bell.

I'd expect a much more balanced attack from Denver than we're used to this season.

want2bAbronco2 · 11-21-2008, 06:39 AM

He will cover both. Asomugha covers the left side of the field and thats it, so who ever lines up on that side will face him.

Kaylore · 11-21-2008, 06:48 AM

Namdi doesn't move around. He plays like Champ where he takes his side of the field because he's better at jamming with his left arm. Let's do what other teams do to us and trot Darrell Jackson out to his side. Then use Marshall and Royal in the slot on the other side. Three wide. We don't have many tight ends right now and same deal with our back so we might as well go single back and do it that way anyway.

montrose · 11-21-2008, 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Namdi doesn't move around. He plays like Champ where he takes his side of the field because he's better at jamming with his left arm. Let's do what other teams do to us and trot Darrell Jackson out to his side. Then use Marshall and Royal in the slot on the other side. Three wide. We don't have many tight ends right now and same deal with our back so we might as well go single back and do it that way anyway.

We might able to get away with that for a quarter or so, but no one is dumb enough to leave an All-World CB on one side to cover scrubs.

Oh wait...

Beantown Bronco · 11-21-2008, 07:30 AM

Even Slowick had Champ mirror Randy Moss no matter where he lined up.

Kaylore · 11-21-2008, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Even Slowick had Champ mirror Randy Moss no matter where he lined up.

That's really the only time he's done that, and half the time he was playing a zone, so he wasn't really shadowing him.

Beantown Bronco · 11-21-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

That's really the only time he's done that, and half the time he was playing a zone, so he wasn't really shadowing him.

In Slowick's defense, how often have team's #1 WRs lit us up? Without looking it up, I believe his schemes somehow have for the most part limited team's #1 WRs without Champ covering them. If you really look at the numbers, I'll bet it has been the #2 or #3 WRs that have had career days against us.....not the #1s.

Smiling Assassin27 · 11-21-2008, 07:45 AM

I would move Namdi all over the field. He's their best player, period. Based on situation, I put him on either Royal or Marshall to give Jay and the WR's something to think about on EVERY down. I even bring him on blitzes.

montrose · 11-21-2008, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

That's really the only time he's done that, and half the time he was playing a zone, so he wasn't really shadowing him.

The closest thing we did was when Bly shadowed Edwards in the Cleveland game and Slowik allowed him to play a lot of bump, the result was Edwards having 1 catch all game.

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

In Slowick's defense, how often have team's #1 WRs lit us up? Without looking it up, I believe his schemes somehow have for the most part limited team's #1 WRs without Champ covering them. If you really look at the numbers, I'll bet it has been the #2 or #3 WRs that have had career days against us.....not the #1s.

Opponent - #1 WR
Oakland - Curry (2 rec, 18 yds, 1 TD)
San Diego - Chambers (4 rec, 83 yds, 2 TD)
New Orleans - Moore (7 rec, 78 yds)
Kansas City - Bowe (7 rec, 85 yds)
Tampa Bay - Bryant (7 rec, 58 yds)
Jacksonville - Jones (7 rec, 69 yds)
New England - Moss (5 rec, 69 yds, 2 TD)
Miami - Camarillo (11 rec, 111 yds)
Cleveland - Edwards (1 rec, 15 yds)
Atlanta - White (5 rec, 102 yds)

Willynowei · 11-21-2008, 08:02 AM

, i wish they were stupid enough to put Aso on either of our WRs 1 on 1, thats how we fried Antonio Calamari. Neither of our WRs are coverable 1 on 1 as long as Jay's QBing.

Sadly, Ryan will probably drop the safeties all game long and play combination coverages on the edges. They won't bother blitzing, they know they can't get to Jay with the Blitz and it would be inviting us to end the game in the first quarter.

They're gonna sit back and hope that Jay will throw the game away for them - and thats their only hope on defense. That and if we fumble or kill ourselves with penalties and drops.

This offense has not proven the ability to stay consistent for 60 minutes and untill we do that, teams will feel their best shot is to sit back and wait for us to kill ourselves - especially overmatched teams like the Raiders.

Rock Chalk · 11-21-2008, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by montrose

The closest thing we did was when Bly shadowed Edwards in the Cleveland game and Slowik allowed him to play a lot of bump, the result was Edwards having 1 catch all game.

Opponent - #1 WR
Oakland - Curry (2 rec, 18 yds, 1 TD)
San Diego - Chambers (4 rec, 83 yds, 2 TD)
New Orleans - Moore (7 rec, 78 yds)
Kansas City - Bowe (7 rec, 85 yds)
Tampa Bay - Bryant (7 rec, 58 yds)
Jacksonville - Jones (7 rec, 69 yds)
New England - Moss (5 rec, 69 yds, 2 TD)
Miami - Camarillo (11 rec, 111 yds)
Cleveland - Edwards (1 rec, 15 yds)
Atlanta - White (5 rec, 102 yds)

Camarillo isnt Miami's #1 receiver. He was that day, but Ted Ginn Jr is the #1 guy.

Still, not bad. only 2 100 yard games and 5 tds allowed to the #1 guy all year...it could be worse.

Rock Chalk · 11-21-2008, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Willynowei

, i wish they were stupid enough to put Aso on either of our WRs 1 on 1, thats how we fried Antonio Calamari. Neither of our WRs are coverable 1 on 1 as long as Jay's QBing.

Sadly, Ryan will probably drop the safeties all game long and play combination coverages on the edges. They won't bother blitzing, they know they can't get to Jay with the Blitz and it would be inviting us to end the game in the first quarter.

They're gonna sit back and hope that Jay will throw the game away for them - and thats their only hope on defense. That and if we fumble or kill ourselves with penalties and drops.

This offense has not proven the ability to stay consistent for 60 minutes and untill we do that, teams will feel their best shot is to sit back and wait for us to kill ourselves - especially overmatched teams like the Raiders.

Asomugha > Cromartie by a long shot. I think Asomugha is more than capable of sticking on either Royal or Marshal 1 on 1 and holding his own. I dont think he will completely shut them down, but then I dont think Champ could either.

Kaylore · 11-21-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

Asomugha > Cromartie by a long shot. I think Asomugha is more than capable of sticking on either Royal or Marshal 1 on 1 and holding his own. I dont think he will completely shut them down, but then I dont think Champ could either.

I actually think Marshall is easier to cover than Royal just because of Royal's speed and quicks. Marshall is just so big he can box guys out and then his YAC is crazy good too.

WolfpackGuy · 11-21-2008, 08:54 AM

Shouldn't matter. Chris Johnson/Stanford Routt don't exactly strike fear in anyone. Go after them.

bronco militia · 11-21-2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

Camarillo isnt Miami's #1 receiver. .

as a matter fact, he is and has been all season.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/miamidolphi...stics?team=MIA

Rock Chalk · 11-21-2008, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

as a matter fact, he is and has been all season.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/miamidolphi...stics?team=MIA

Huh

bronco militia · 11-21-2008, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

Huh

but that doesn't excuse the piss poor game plan that day.

TheReverend · 11-21-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

as a matter fact, he is and has been all season.

http://www.nfl.com/teams/miamidolphi...stics?team=MIA

More yards doesn't make you the "number one" which is a deceptive term all by itself.

Ginn is the split end, and Camarillo is the flanker. Generally, the split end is the "number one" receiver.

bronco militia · 11-21-2008, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

More yards doesn't make you the "number one" which is a deceptive term all by itself.

Ginn is the split end, and Camarillo is the flanker. Generally, the split end is the "number one" receiver.

I know that...camarillo leads the team in yards and receptions

what else do you need, reverend?

Beantown Bronco · 11-21-2008, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

I know that...camarillo leads the team in yards and receptions

Take out the Denver game and he doesn't.

TheReverend · 11-21-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

I know that...camarillo leads the team in yards and receptions

what else do you need, reverend?

If you knew that, then why did you incorrectly correct Alec?

bronco militia · 11-21-2008, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by TheReverend

If you knew that, then why did you incorrectly correct Alec?

you were right in general terms, Reverend...

but I don't think it works that way in the nfl. You get your best guys the ball, period

bronco militia · 11-21-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Take out the Denver game and he doesn't.

he was their leading reciever going into that game....the only reason I know or care about this guy is because I was forced to pick him up for a fantasy team a few weeks ago.

Beantown Bronco · 11-21-2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

he was their leading reciever going into that game....the only reason I know or care about this guy is because I was forced to pick him up for a fantasy team a few weeks ago.

I'm just saying, teams like Miami - ones that would have a different "leader" in all offensive categories if you simply eliminated one game of production - don't have a true #1 WR. Their stats are too close. Not to mention that neither has more than 1 receiving TD.

Neither are a true #1 WR right now.

TheReverend · 11-21-2008, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

you were right in general terms, Reverend...

but I don't think it works that way in the nfl. You get your best guys the ball, period

No one is arguing that...

11-21-2008, 06:48 AM	#28
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,343 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Namdi doesn't move around. He plays like Champ where he takes his side of the field because he's better at jamming with his left arm. Let's do what other teams do to us and trot Darrell Jackson out to his side. Then use Marshall and Royal in the slot on the other side. Three wide. We don't have many tight ends right now and same deal with our back so we might as well go single back and do it that way anyway. Last edited by Kaylore; 11-21-2008 at 06:50 AM..

11-21-2008, 08:02 AM	#35
Willynowei Some dude Football is a wonderful thing. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,848 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	, i wish they were stupid enough to put Aso on either of our WRs 1 on 1, thats how we fried Antonio Calamari. Neither of our WRs are coverable 1 on 1 as long as Jay's QBing. Sadly, Ryan will probably drop the safeties all game long and play combination coverages on the edges. They won't bother blitzing, they know they can't get to Jay with the Blitz and it would be inviting us to end the game in the first quarter. They're gonna sit back and hope that Jay will throw the game away for them - and thats their only hope on defense. That and if we fumble or kill ourselves with penalties and drops. This offense has not proven the ability to stay consistent for 60 minutes and untill we do that, teams will feel their best shot is to sit back and wait for us to kill ourselves - especially overmatched teams like the Raiders. Last edited by Willynowei; 11-21-2008 at 08:05 AM..

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11-21-2008, 06:39 AM	#27
want2bAbronco2 Pro Bowler Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 618	He will cover both. Asomugha covers the left side of the field and thats it, so who ever lines up on that side will face him.

11-21-2008, 07:30 AM	#30
Beantown Bronco Athletic Supporter Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Mass Posts: 19,119 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	Even Slowick had Champ mirror Randy Moss no matter where he lined up.

11-21-2008, 07:45 AM	#33
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 11,104 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I would move Namdi all over the field. He's their best player, period. Based on situation, I put him on either Royal or Marshall to give Jay and the WR's something to think about on EVERY down. I even bring him on blitzes.

11-21-2008, 08:54 AM	#39
WolfpackGuy Call me, "Maybe" Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Delaware Posts: 5,694	Shouldn't matter. Chris Johnson/Stanford Routt don't exactly strike fear in anyone. Go after them.