Feasting on Sarah

[Bob]

I thought that tag line might get the attention of those that live on the Butt.

The real reason why McCain’s former staff are turning on her (besides their cattiness, and disconnect from the Conservative base) is to protect their wish that the R party turns left, as a result of Obama -- not right. I don’t know how they think they can win in that competition of giving out the most goodies, to the broadest group possible to bribe votes, and enable the masses? But they have been trying hard. The R’s are loosing because (among several things) they lost their soul a long ago. Many voted for Obama, conservatives voted against Obama – but how many voted for McCain? I know I only voted against Obama – that does not win elections – see Kerry.

The R’s passed part D of Medicaid, they have spent more than anyone, and they have bloated government more than anyone, against the wishes of most conservatives. Those on the campaign staff wanted McCain to go after someone who they could control, and also someone who was part of “the DC machine,” and someone who was not right of McCain.

So McCain realized he needs the base to have a prayer, he picked Palin, but most R’s in Washington are in the GOP I think for the game of power it is for them, and not driven by traditional ideals of smaller government, and the to protect the Constitution (which protects us from an over-reaching government.) I don’t think Palin is a genius, but the media has been completely driven to destroy her, and now the R moderate establishment, so I trust little what they say, and can only see the hate they are driven by – even after she and McCain lost. Palin didn’t loose for McCain – McCain did, because of who he was, and because of the backlash against Bush.

[TailgateNut]

It would'nt have anything to do with the fact that aside from her physical features, she's the mental equivalent of a "Box of rocks".

[Crushaholic]

Palin had nothing to do with this. McCain lost because he couldn't connect with the American people on any issues. Period.

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

Palin had nothing to do with this. McCain lost because he couldn't connect with the American people on any issues. Period.

OK!

[Bronco Yoda]

CNN had a poll yesterday that asked if Palin was the reason McCain lost.

85% said yes.

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda

CNN had a poll yesterday that asked if Palin was the reason McCain lost.

85% said yes.

Don't confuse them with truth!

[Bronco Yoda]

I'm not confusing anything. Just throwing it out there.

Seems to me though a lot of people are trying to say something with a vote like that. People are going to read what they want into it I guess.

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda

I'm not confusing anything. Just throwing it out there.

Seems to me though a lot of people are trying to say something with a vote like that. People are going to read what they want into it I guess.

Read my post before getting upset. I said "THEM" not "YOU".

[Bronco Yoda]

my bad. I don't why I took it that way. Guess I should stop and read one thing at a time. I never could chew gum and walk at the same time. lol

[Drek]

Bob, its a well reasoned post but I think you're completely off target here.

You're basically saying that you think Rick Davis, Steve Schmitt, and Bill Kristol are trying to move the party further left. That's about as likely as cats trying to get all their owners to buy rocking chairs.

They picked Palin because they thought a VP wouldn't get scrutinized because, frankly, they never do. Hell, Dan Quayle basically got a free pass despite being a total moron. They basically thought they'd found a more charismatic, articulate Bush and that a short stint as VP would prepare her perfectly to win 8 years in oval office. That is what they were thinking.

Then a lot of things went wrong for them. She didn't keep on the path they'd set for her, the media was immediately whipped into a fervor when the campaign admitted they had no intention of giving legitimate journalists any interviews with her, and they put her out in front of McCain (violating the cardinal rule of never upstaging the top of the ticket) when it came time to stir up the base. They basically did every single thing they could have to make the spotlight focus more intently on her than any other VP candidate in the history of this nation.

What really killed them though is that Obama changed to rules of the game. Schmitt is a Karl Rove disciple, who himself is a William Casey disciple. The entire Republican political machine is built around the campaign strategies they have built upon since Reagan, presonal attacks and wedge issue politics. This year they ran into a candidate who practices what seems to be the political equivalent of judo, turning aside attacks and leaving the attacker wearing more mud than himself, as well as a economic and national climate not conductive to wedge issue politics.

McCain was supposed to be the stopgap before the party moved even further right with Palin as the figurehead, a la Bush. But it didn't work because the American people don't want more of that same bull****. The right wing mouthpieces are workin hard to sell the myth that this is a "center right" country. But over the last two election periods (2006 and 2008) democrats have been given a massive thumbs up. We're a evenly centrist country on most things, possibly now skewing left. That is largely because what people percieve as the right wing side of the debate has been poisoned by a Republican party that has increased deficit spending and reduced civil rights.

They have defied the principles of their party and as a result are finding it harder and harder to attract anyone who isn't a christian idealogue.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Bob

I thought that tag line might get the attention of those that live on the Butt.

The real reason why McCain’s former staff are turning on her (besides their cattiness, and disconnect from the Conservative base) is to protect their wish that the R party turns left, as a result of Obama -- not right. I don’t know how they think they can win in that competition of giving out the most goodies, to the broadest group possible to bribe votes, and enable the masses? But they have been trying hard. The R’s are loosing because (among several things) they lost their soul a long ago. Many voted for Obama, conservatives voted against Obama – but how many voted for McCain? I know I only voted against Obama – that does not win elections – see Kerry.

The R’s passed part D of Medicaid, they have spent more than anyone, and they have bloated government more than anyone, against the wishes of most conservatives. Those on the campaign staff wanted McCain to go after someone who they could control, and also someone who was part of “the DC machine,” and someone who was not right of McCain.

So McCain realized he needs the base to have a prayer, he picked Palin, but most R’s in Washington are in the GOP I think for the game of power it is for them, and not driven by traditional ideals of smaller government, and the to protect the Constitution (which protects us from an over-reaching government.) I don’t think Palin is a genius, but the media has been completely driven to destroy her, and now the R moderate establishment, so I trust little what they say, and can only see the hate they are driven by – even after she and McCain lost. Palin didn’t loose for McCain – McCain did, because of who he was, and because of the backlash against Bush.

Bob, the fact of the matter is independents were turned off because Palin turned out to be so intellectually mediocre. Polling done after the election backs this up. It has nothing to do with wanting to move the party left. You think Rick Davis and Bill Kristol want to move the party left? Seriously?

[Old Dude]

Originally Posted by Bob

...
The real reason why McCain’s former staff are turning on her (besides their cattiness, and disconnect from the Conservative base) is to protect their wish that the R party turns left, as a result of Obama -- not right....

Nope. The real reason is a lot more simple than that. It's called finger pointing, and it happens a lot when plans don't work out.

[Bronco Yoda]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Bob, the fact of the matter is independents were turned off because Palin turned out to be so intellectually mediocre. Polling done after the election backs this up. It has nothing to do with wanting to move the party left. You think Rick Davis and Bill Kristol want to move the party left? Seriously?

BINGO!

[Paladin]

"Intellectually Mediocre"? How kind of you. She didn't know Africa is a continent? She didn't know who the NAFTA countries were? She couldn't name a paper she'd read lately. She didn't know what the VP did under the Constitution? And those were the "tough" questions? Even the McCain staff were amazed at how dumb she was, euphemistically referred to as "unprepared".

Drek, I don't think the Repubs were as forward thinking as you outline. I think they just made a play for the women's votes with a "cute little thing" who won an election and would presumably not get in McCain's way too much, and take the low road for them on the trail.

She is a fugging hick. She knew even less than Bush did. I don't think she'd even been to Canada let alone any other country. Even one that would be "next door" to Alaska. That Shrew should stay home and try not to breed any more......

[Smiling Assassin27]

I assume that only Todd gets to feast on Sarah...

[Old Dude]

Well, whatever happens, I wouldn't feel too worried for Sarah's future. She's immune to witchcraft, so what more could anyone ask.

[footstepsfrom#27]

She was chosen to snag a few women votes they feared were lost when Hillary went out, and also to appeal to the religious right. McCain couldn't pander enough to the RR before the election since he'd burned them before so he went this route instead...obviously a major mistake.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Drek

Bob, its a well reasoned post but I think you're completely off target here.

You're basically saying that you think Rick Davis, Steve Schmitt, and Bill Kristol are trying to move the party further left. That's about as likely as cats trying to get all their owners to buy rocking chairs.

They picked Palin because they thought a VP wouldn't get scrutinized because, frankly, they never do. Hell, Dan Quayle basically got a free pass despite being a total moron. They basically thought they'd found a more charismatic, articulate Bush and that a short stint as VP would prepare her perfectly to win 8 years in oval office. That is what they were thinking.

Then a lot of things went wrong for them. She didn't keep on the path they'd set for her, the media was immediately whipped into a fervor when the campaign admitted they had no intention of giving legitimate journalists any interviews with her, and they put her out in front of McCain (violating the cardinal rule of never upstaging the top of the ticket) when it came time to stir up the base. They basically did every single thing they could have to make the spotlight focus more intently on her than any other VP candidate in the history of this nation.

What really killed them though is that Obama changed to rules of the game. Schmitt is a Karl Rove disciple, who himself is a William Casey disciple. The entire Republican political machine is built around the campaign strategies they have built upon since Reagan, presonal attacks and wedge issue politics. This year they ran into a candidate who practices what seems to be the political equivalent of judo, turning aside attacks and leaving the attacker wearing more mud than himself, as well as a economic and national climate not conductive to wedge issue politics.

McCain was supposed to be the stopgap before the party moved even further right with Palin as the figurehead, a la Bush. But it didn't work because the American people don't want more of that same bull****. The right wing mouthpieces are workin hard to sell the myth that this is a "center right" country. But over the last two election periods (2006 and 2008) democrats have been given a massive thumbs up. We're a evenly centrist country on most things, possibly now skewing left. That is largely because what people percieve as the right wing side of the debate has been poisoned by a Republican party that has increased deficit spending and reduced civil rights.

They have defied the principles of their party and as a result are finding it harder and harder to attract anyone who isn't a christian idealogue.

Pursuing the Atwater/Rove/Schmidt strategy was a HUGE mistake for McCain.

Had he comported himself throughout his campaign in the same manner as his concession speech, and had he chosen a running mate who wasn't a total laughingstock, then it probably would have been much closer.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by footstepsfrom#27

She was chosen to snag a few women votes they feared were lost when Hillary went out, and also to appeal to the religious right. McCain couldn't pander enough to the RR before the election since he'd burned them before so he went this route instead...obviously a major mistake.

The Atwater/Rove/Schmidt strategists were also banking on being able to use Caribou Barbie to revive the culture wars and "win" with wedge politics as usual.

Bad idea!

Shows how out of touch these morons are with the mood of the country.

[Drek]

Originally Posted by Paladin

Drek, I don't think the Repubs were as forward thinking as you outline. I think they just made a play for the women's votes with a "cute little thing" who won an election and would presumably not get in McCain's way too much, and take the low road for them on the trail.

I don't think McCain was thinking that far forward, he just saw it as the boost with the base and women he needed to get over the top.

But the people who actually were running his campaign, those same people who've been in reality controlling the strings on Bush saw another great puppet. That is why she got the call out of nowhere and why they didn't even vet her. They thought we as a people were that stupid, and thankfully they've been proven wrong.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

It would'nt have anything to do with the fact that aside from her physical features, she's the mental equivalent of a "Box of rocks".

She is a looker, your right. Folks like Romney, Reagan, Obama -- and JFK all were/are helped by the way they look. So, were looks a factor in the pick? "You betch-ya."

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Crushaholic

Palin had nothing to do with this. McCain lost because he couldn't connect with the American people on any issues. Period.

Especially the economy -- he did not get it before it crashed, nor after.

His one prayer would have been to vote against the bailout, at least he would have distinguished himself. But again, most R's and D's are convinced they can spend their way out of the problem of over-spending. And i guess it is better that America was not fooled into thinking he would have been a fiscal conservative. McCain is different than Bush, but he and Bush woudl handle the credit crisis about the same.

Like I have said, McCain is part of the establishment -- and did not understand the simple notion that banks wont lend if they are worried about the masses (and Nations) who might pull out their cash at any minute. The bailout should have gone directly to the masses with morgages with the rule that 1/2 had to go directly to their morgage (direct deposit.) The rest could be spent any way they wanted. Dumb? Yes. But not as dumb as what America got.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Bronco Yoda

CNN had a poll yesterday that asked if Palin was the reason McCain lost.

85% said yes.

Interesting, but the poll means nothing unless it was asked of those only who could have been convinced to vote for McCain. Does that make sense? There is a very big number (lets say 40% -- I don’t know what the real number is ) that were going to vote against the R party pick no matter what. 40% would have not been swayed if Romney was picked, Lieberman, or Biden, or Jesus ... and in that 85% number, were folks who liked Palin, but know what the media will do to any Christain conservative -- she could have been smart like Romney, but he would have been turned into a bigot and a dog abuser.

So again, the only ones that "matter" in the poll you cite are those who could be convinced to at least consider McCain, under the right conditions. For me, Palin was the reason I voted for McCain.

On a completely different note, I will say that IF FOX had info about Palin that was credible about her lack of understanding about NAFTA, or the Africa question they had a responsibility to let the folks decide. The media on the left and right have gotten into this trend lately when they hold back damning info from the masses, when it will hurt their guy/gal. How dare they do that? It damns the whole country when the media wont just report the news -- and holds info back, if true this act was despicable. The left-leaning media has done this as well, and I am sick of it -- they think they are gods, or at least the oracles of the gods. At minimum it is very insulting to the masses, and paternal.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Don't confuse them with truth!

Look below and respond with logic.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

Bob, the fact of the matter is independents were turned off because Palin turned out to be so intellectually mediocre. Polling done after the election backs this up. It has nothing to do with wanting to move the party left. You think Rick Davis and Bill Kristol want to move the party left? Seriously?

After her speach I liked her, and loved the media jab, as you can tell I think they are a group of dishonorable ideological folks who are bringing dishonor to what should be a sacred position -- that of truth teller.

But will admit, I think Palins heart was right, and her principles, but I had my "concerns" in the ways she responded to some questions. I am pretty darn good on my feet, but wonder how I would have done in talking to folks like Gibson especially when you know they are not going to be operating under the same ideological assumptions. EVERY damn time a conservtive turned on the TV to Letterman, or SLN, you could literally count the seconds before they would slam Palin. So after awhile Palin became away for some like me to tell people (the media) to shut the hell up, let me like her --- her values are mine, and if I was picked as VP (heaven forbid) what evil things would you say to destroy me and my family? If she was a Dem, and far left, they would be covering for her, (like several of Bidens gaffs) so after awhile you cant trust anything the other side throws out.

But again, In all honesty, I think (in several instances) that I would have answered more clearly, and would have been able to answer the questions more deeply than Palin.

I was damned either way in 2008 I was stuck with a guy in McCain, who I think has a ton of experince, but does not see the world like me on 50% of the issues. I felt stuck with an R picked by Dems, when Hilary was ahead, and had nothing better to do than screw with my head. On the other side I see Obama (or at least as far as I can gather) agree with even less, and here is Palin, who shares 80% of my values, and is the VP, not the pres. I had to go with the anti-Obama pick, but like many Dems in 2004, I cant say I voted FOR McCain .. only against someone.