Franchise Player - The Orange Mane

Breaker · 11-03-2008, 05:10 AM

Obviously looking at the upcoming free agent class there is so major talent that could become available. This availability of course comes with a certain degree of uncertainty due to the ability of a franchise to, well franchise a player. With that in mind I thought it might be interesting to try and get a REAL read on the availability of players after teams use the franchise tag. Then start picking FA that might help the Broncos from there.

First it is helpful to understand the rules in regards to Franchising and Transition players. A transition designation means that player receives the average of the top ten salaries at his position in the league. Franchised players receive the average of the top 5 salaries at his position in the league. There is no limit on the number of times a player can be franchised by a particular team, however in the 3rd consecutive year of being franchised, he gets either the average of the top 5 players at the highest paid position (QB), or he gets 20% more than the average of the top 5 players at his position, or he gets a 44% raise over his previous year's salary, whichever of those 3 is highest.

Currently the following players where designated under the Franchise Tag for 2008.

* Stacy Andrews, G, Cincinnati (Signed)
* Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, Oakland (unsigned)
* Karlos Dansby, LB, Arizona (unsigned)
* Jordan Gross, T, Carolina (unsigned)
* Ken Hamlin, S, Dallas (signed 6 year)
* Albert Haynesworth, DT, Tennessee (unsigned)
* L.J. Smith, TE, Philadelphia (unsigned)
* Terrell Suggs, LB, Baltimore (unsigned)
* Marcus Truffant, CB, Seattle (signed new deal at 6 years 50 mill)

The following is a list of the player most likely to be franchised. This does not mean that the team will franchise the player of course and assumes that no long term deal is reached.

Cardinals: Karlos Dansby LB (2cnd time)
Ravens: Terrell Suggs, LB
Panthers: Julius Peppers DE
Bengals:T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Cowboys. Roy Williams (WR)
Raiders: Nnamdi Asomugha (2cnd time)
Philadelphia L.J. Smith TE,
TItans: Albert Haynesworth

With that in mind the Top Players in positions of need are

DL:
Jonathan Babineaux, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Bertrand Berry, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Kevin Carter, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Shaun Cody, UFA, Detroit Lions
Tank Johnson, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
John Thornton, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Marcus Tubbs, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

Not really an impressive group of guys to say the least. Pass on all of them unless we get a deal.

LB:

Eric Barton, UFA, New York Jets
Mike Peterson, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Bart Scott, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Jonathan Vilma, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Channing Crowder, UFA, Miami Dolphins
James Farrior, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers

Great value here, especially if we decided to go to a 3-4 full time. I would love to see us go after Scott or Peterson. Barton is probably out of our reach. Bart Scott is really attractive because the Ravens are going to have to commit to Suggs, Landry and Lewis this year.

DB

Chris Gamble, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Dunta Robinson, UFA, Houston Texans
Mike Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears
Brian Dawkins, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Dawan Landry, RFA, Baltimore Ravens (VERY UNLIKELY TO BE A FREE AGENT)
Darren Sharper, UFA, Vikings

We could help ourselves out a ton if we got Chris Gamble and somehow dropped Dre Bly, but not going to happen. I like the idea of Mike Brown though, especially if we could pair him with a Taylor Mays, Rolle, or Chung from the draft.

Any thoughts other than this is a useless thread

socalorado · 11-03-2008, 06:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Breaker

Obviously looking at the upcoming free agent class there is so major talent that could become available. This availability of course comes with a certain degree of uncertainty due to the ability of a franchise to, well franchise a player. With that in mind I thought it might be interesting to try and get a REAL read on the availability of players after teams use the franchise tag. Then start picking FA that might help the Broncos from there.

First it is helpful to understand the rules in regards to Franchising and Transition players. A transition designation means that player receives the average of the top ten salaries at his position in the league. Franchised players receive the average of the top 5 salaries at his position in the league. There is no limit on the number of times a player can be franchised by a particular team, however in the 3rd consecutive year of being franchised, he gets either the average of the top 5 players at the highest paid position (QB), or he gets 20% more than the average of the top 5 players at his position, or he gets a 44% raise over his previous year's salary, whichever of those 3 is highest.

Currently the following players where designated under the Franchise Tag for 2008.

* Stacy Andrews, G, Cincinnati (Signed)
* Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, Oakland (unsigned)
* Karlos Dansby, LB, Arizona (unsigned)
* Jordan Gross, T, Carolina (unsigned)
* Ken Hamlin, S, Dallas (signed 6 year)
* Albert Haynesworth, DT, Tennessee (unsigned)
* L.J. Smith, TE, Philadelphia (unsigned)
* Terrell Suggs, LB, Baltimore (unsigned)
* Marcus Truffant, CB, Seattle (signed new deal at 6 years 50 mill)

The following is a list of the player most likely to be franchised. This does not mean that the team will franchise the player of course and assumes that no long term deal is reached.

Cardinals: Karlos Dansby LB (2cnd time)
Ravens: Terrell Suggs, LB
Panthers: Julius Peppers DE
Bengals:T.J. Houshmandzadeh
Cowboys. Roy Williams (WR)
Raiders: Nnamdi Asomugha (2cnd time)
Philadelphia L.J. Smith TE,
TItans: Albert Haynesworth

With that in mind the Top Players in positions of need are

DL:
Jonathan Babineaux, UFA, Atlanta Falcons
Bertrand Berry, UFA, Arizona Cardinals
Kevin Carter, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Shaun Cody, UFA, Detroit Lions
Tank Johnson, UFA, Dallas Cowboys
John Thornton, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals
Marcus Tubbs, UFA, Seattle Seahawks

Not really an impressive group of guys to say the least. Pass on all of them unless we get a deal.

LB:

Eric Barton, UFA, New York Jets
Mike Peterson, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars
Bart Scott, UFA, Baltimore Ravens
Jonathan Vilma, UFA, New Orleans Saints
Channing Crowder, UFA, Miami Dolphins
James Farrior, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers

Great value here, especially if we decided to go to a 3-4 full time. I would love to see us go after Scott or Peterson. Barton is probably out of our reach. Bart Scott is really attractive because the Ravens are going to have to commit to Suggs, Landry and Lewis this year.

DB

Chris Gamble, UFA, Carolina Panthers
Dunta Robinson, UFA, Houston Texans
Mike Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears
Brian Dawkins, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles
Dawan Landry, RFA, Baltimore Ravens (VERY UNLIKELY TO BE A FREE AGENT)
Darren Sharper, UFA, Vikings

We could help ourselves out a ton if we got Chris Gamble and somehow dropped Dre Bly, but not going to happen. I like the idea of Mike Brown though, especially if we could pair him with a Taylor Mays, Rolle, or Chung from the draft.

Any thoughts other than this is a useless thread

Its not useless.
IF DEN cannot aquire Haynesworth in the DT sweepstakes this offseason, then hopefully DEN just passes on all of em. Draft another, and hope Powell comes back with a vengeance.
Bart Scott would just be great. If DEN aquired him ,then the 3-4 would seem to be the way they are going. who knows.
Isnt Jermaine Phillips a FA as well? I thought so. If he were to become available, i would hope DEN would go after him as well. However, i dont see TB letting him just walk if thats the case.

bpc · 11-03-2008, 08:10 AM

If Denver is serious about making a push, we need to just put an impact player on the DLine, regardless of the cost. Haynesworth is worth the largest deal in NFL history for a defensive player. I've watched him two straight weeks now and he's been an absolute terror on the DL.

We need to throw as much money as we can at the guy because he instantly will make the whole unit more effective. I'm not kidding. The guy is a monster. Roberson is a good rotational player and having a guy like Haynesworth on the line will force more sacks towards Elvis, Moss and our DE's.

nickademus · 11-03-2008, 08:22 AM

The only thing I see on this list is I am pretty sure that Haynesworth and Peppers both have clauses in their contracts that prevent them from being franchised. I know Haynesworth does. any ways IMHO we should go full force after Peppers, draft two new safteys a Mike and Sam. We are thin at CB and could use some younget talent (non project). To reach these goals I would suggest packaging Doom and some of our lower picks or a future pick and grab the highest available pick we can get. I would also consider moving Bly if we could get a decent return. but the goal would be to stock pile picks in the first three rounds. if we could get to five picks in the first three rounds with four in the first two I think we would have a shot at really upgrading the D and our run game.

Breaker · 11-03-2008, 08:49 AM

My top guys would be Bart Scott or Terrell Suggs if he became available. Suggs can play either DE or LB at a pro bowl level. Haynesworth seems like a guy who simply plays when he has a contract, he was a total bust before he stomped on Gurode now he is a beast. I simply dont trust the effort of the guy. Peppers is a great player but I am not sure I would be willing to throw down that kind of cash.

elsid13 · 11-08-2008, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bpc

If Denver is serious about making a push, we need to just put an impact player on the DLine, regardless of the cost. Haynesworth is worth the largest deal in NFL history for a defensive player. I've watched him two straight weeks now and he's been an absolute terror on the DL.

We need to throw as much money as we can at the guy because he instantly will make the whole unit more effective. I'm not kidding. The guy is a monster. Roberson is a good rotational player and having a guy like Haynesworth on the line will force more sacks towards Elvis, Moss and our DE's.

I am worried that Haynesworth might go IHOP, once he gets paid.

lex · 11-08-2008, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elsid13

I am worried that Haynesworth might go IHOP, once he gets paid.

I worry about this with him too...far more than I worry about this with Suggs or Peppers.

azbroncfan · 11-08-2008, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lex

I worry about this with him too...far more than I worry about this with Suggs or Peppers.

I worry there too as Gardner played very similar to how Haynesworth has so far.

gyldenlove · 11-08-2008, 08:01 PM

Roy Williams already signed an extension, so he will not be a free agent, he did that the day after they traded for him.

Terrell Suggs and LJ Smith would both be franchised for the second time, which in LJ Smiths case would make him the highest paid tight end in the league, so I think we can rule out that one.

Albert Hayneworth can't be franchise tagged again if he plays in 65% of the defensive snaps (he is well over that rate so far), if he reaches the pro bowl (which he will) or if the Titans make the playoffs (which they will barring an 8 game losing streak).

Peppers can be franchise tagged since he doesn't have a clause in his current contract that stops the team from tagging him, he has been working on an extension already but rumors are the sides are far apart so he may go down to the wire.

It is unlikely that the Ravens can fit Dawan Landry, Bart Scott, Terrell Suggs (all UFA) and a new contract for Ray Lewis under the cap with enough room to sign draft picks. My feeling is Bart Scott gets the boot and becomes a highly sought after UFA.

Brian Dawkins are rumored to be willing to take a pay cut to stay in Philly and the Eagles seem to be very willing to keep him. They could recieve some cap room by trading away Sheldon Brown or more likely Lito Sheppard.

Dunta Robinson is probably the best UFA DB, but comes with a huge injury caveat.

There are a number of interesting decisions some teams will have to make and I think you will see the Broncos take a good look at the contracts of some in house talent first before assessing their FA strategy.

BroncoMan4ever · 11-08-2008, 11:55 PM

how exactly does the Franchise tag work for a team?

i know franchising a player gives that player the average salary of the top 5 highest paid players at his position, but does that count against the cap for the team?

elsid13 · 11-09-2008, 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

how exactly does the Franchise tag work for a team?

i know franchising a player gives that player the average salary of the top 5 highest paid players at his position, but does that count against the cap for the team?

Yes it count against cap. The worse part it only one year deal, but there is no signing bonus.

Breaker · 11-09-2008, 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gyldenlove

Roy Williams already signed an extension, so he will not be a free agent, he did that the day after they traded for him.

Terrell Suggs and LJ Smith would both be franchised for the second time, which in LJ Smiths case would make him the highest paid tight end in the league, so I think we can rule out that one.

Albert Hayneworth can't be franchise tagged again if he plays in 65% of the defensive snaps (he is well over that rate so far), if he reaches the pro bowl (which he will) or if the Titans make the playoffs (which they will barring an 8 game losing streak).

Peppers can be franchise tagged since he doesn't have a clause in his current contract that stops the team from tagging him, he has been working on an extension already but rumors are the sides are far apart so he may go down to the wire.

It is unlikely that the Ravens can fit Dawan Landry, Bart Scott, Terrell Suggs (all UFA) and a new contract for Ray Lewis under the cap with enough room to sign draft picks. My feeling is Bart Scott gets the boot and becomes a highly sought after UFA.

Brian Dawkins are rumored to be willing to take a pay cut to stay in Philly and the Eagles seem to be very willing to keep him. They could recieve some cap room by trading away Sheldon Brown or more likely Lito Sheppard.

Dunta Robinson is probably the best UFA DB, but comes with a huge injury caveat.

There are a number of interesting decisions some teams will have to make and I think you will see the Broncos take a good look at the contracts of some in house talent first before assessing their FA strategy.

Chris Gamble is a stud ... he would be a great fit.

gyldenlove · 11-10-2008, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

how exactly does the Franchise tag work for a team?

i know franchising a player gives that player the average salary of the top 5 highest paid players at his position, but does that count against the cap for the team?

If you give a player the franchise tag the player gets the average of the 5 highest cap hits for that position from the previous year. If a team wants to sign a player who has been franchise tagged but has not signed his offer yet, they have to pay two 1st round picks to that players team.

If you put an exclusive franchise tender on a player he gets the average of the 5 highest players on his position as of April 16 the same year, so with the increase in player wages that will be more expensive but then he can't not be signed by another team at all.

For any franchise tag, exclusive or not, you have to pay the player either the average salary required by the tag OR 120% of the players salary from the previous year, whichever of the two is HIGHER.

If you are franchised for 3 consecutive years in the third year you get the average of the 5 highest paid players in the league regardless of positions (essentially the 5 highest paid QBs) or 120% raise over the previous year whichever is higher.

A player has to sign the franchise offer before week 10 of the season to be counted as having played that season, the offer is guaranteed for injury so if you don't sign it and you get injured at practice the team can not rescind the offer and avoid paying you. As a player is a free agent the player won't be fined for missing games or practices.

The money is paid out as signing bonus essentially, so it is guaranteed the second the player signs the offer and it counts against the cap the year the tag is applied.

11-03-2008, 05:10 AM	#1
Breaker Bleeding Orange and Blue Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 1,007	Franchise Player Obviously looking at the upcoming free agent class there is so major talent that could become available. This availability of course comes with a certain degree of uncertainty due to the ability of a franchise to, well franchise a player. With that in mind I thought it might be interesting to try and get a REAL read on the availability of players after teams use the franchise tag. Then start picking FA that might help the Broncos from there. First it is helpful to understand the rules in regards to Franchising and Transition players. A transition designation means that player receives the average of the top ten salaries at his position in the league. Franchised players receive the average of the top 5 salaries at his position in the league. There is no limit on the number of times a player can be franchised by a particular team, however in the 3rd consecutive year of being franchised, he gets either the average of the top 5 players at the highest paid position (QB), or he gets 20% more than the average of the top 5 players at his position, or he gets a 44% raise over his previous year's salary, whichever of those 3 is highest. Currently the following players where designated under the Franchise Tag for 2008. * Stacy Andrews, G, Cincinnati (Signed) * Nnamdi Asomugha, CB, Oakland (unsigned) * Karlos Dansby, LB, Arizona (unsigned) * Jordan Gross, T, Carolina (unsigned) * Ken Hamlin, S, Dallas (signed 6 year) * Albert Haynesworth, DT, Tennessee (unsigned) * L.J. Smith, TE, Philadelphia (unsigned) * Terrell Suggs, LB, Baltimore (unsigned) * Marcus Truffant, CB, Seattle (signed new deal at 6 years 50 mill) The following is a list of the player most likely to be franchised. This does not mean that the team will franchise the player of course and assumes that no long term deal is reached. Cardinals: Karlos Dansby LB (2cnd time) Ravens: Terrell Suggs, LB Panthers: Julius Peppers DE Bengals:T.J. Houshmandzadeh Cowboys. Roy Williams (WR) Raiders: Nnamdi Asomugha (2cnd time) Philadelphia L.J. Smith TE, TItans: Albert Haynesworth With that in mind the Top Players in positions of need are DL: Jonathan Babineaux, UFA, Atlanta Falcons Bertrand Berry, UFA, Arizona Cardinals Kevin Carter, UFA, Tampa Bay Buccaneers Shaun Cody, UFA, Detroit Lions Tank Johnson, UFA, Dallas Cowboys John Thornton, UFA, Cincinnati Bengals Marcus Tubbs, UFA, Seattle Seahawks Not really an impressive group of guys to say the least. Pass on all of them unless we get a deal. LB: Eric Barton, UFA, New York Jets Mike Peterson, UFA, Jacksonville Jaguars Bart Scott, UFA, Baltimore Ravens Jonathan Vilma, UFA, New Orleans Saints Channing Crowder, UFA, Miami Dolphins James Farrior, UFA, Pittsburgh Steelers Great value here, especially if we decided to go to a 3-4 full time. I would love to see us go after Scott or Peterson. Barton is probably out of our reach. Bart Scott is really attractive because the Ravens are going to have to commit to Suggs, Landry and Lewis this year. DB Chris Gamble, UFA, Carolina Panthers Dunta Robinson, UFA, Houston Texans Mike Brown, UFA, Chicago Bears Brian Dawkins, UFA, Philadelphia Eagles Dawan Landry, RFA, Baltimore Ravens (VERY UNLIKELY TO BE A FREE AGENT) Darren Sharper, UFA, Vikings We could help ourselves out a ton if we got Chris Gamble and somehow dropped Dre Bly, but not going to happen. I like the idea of Mike Brown though, especially if we could pair him with a Taylor Mays, Rolle, or Chung from the draft. Any thoughts other than this is a useless thread

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11-03-2008, 08:10 AM	#3
bpc "Nemo Me Impune Lacessit" 1 sword keeps another in the sheath Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 12,569 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	If Denver is serious about making a push, we need to just put an impact player on the DLine, regardless of the cost. Haynesworth is worth the largest deal in NFL history for a defensive player. I've watched him two straight weeks now and he's been an absolute terror on the DL. We need to throw as much money as we can at the guy because he instantly will make the whole unit more effective. I'm not kidding. The guy is a monster. Roberson is a good rotational player and having a guy like Haynesworth on the line will force more sacks towards Elvis, Moss and our DE's.

11-03-2008, 08:22 AM	#4
nickademus Samurai of Smack Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,105 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	The only thing I see on this list is I am pretty sure that Haynesworth and Peppers both have clauses in their contracts that prevent them from being franchised. I know Haynesworth does. any ways IMHO we should go full force after Peppers, draft two new safteys a Mike and Sam. We are thin at CB and could use some younget talent (non project). To reach these goals I would suggest packaging Doom and some of our lower picks or a future pick and grab the highest available pick we can get. I would also consider moving Bly if we could get a decent return. but the goal would be to stock pile picks in the first three rounds. if we could get to five picks in the first three rounds with four in the first two I think we would have a shot at really upgrading the D and our run game.

11-03-2008, 08:49 AM	#5
Breaker Bleeding Orange and Blue Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 1,007	My top guys would be Bart Scott or Terrell Suggs if he became available. Suggs can play either DE or LB at a pro bowl level. Haynesworth seems like a guy who simply plays when he has a contract, he was a total bust before he stomped on Gurode now he is a beast. I simply dont trust the effort of the guy. Peppers is a great player but I am not sure I would be willing to throw down that kind of cash.

11-08-2008, 08:01 PM	#9
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,026 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	Roy Williams already signed an extension, so he will not be a free agent, he did that the day after they traded for him. Terrell Suggs and LJ Smith would both be franchised for the second time, which in LJ Smiths case would make him the highest paid tight end in the league, so I think we can rule out that one. Albert Hayneworth can't be franchise tagged again if he plays in 65% of the defensive snaps (he is well over that rate so far), if he reaches the pro bowl (which he will) or if the Titans make the playoffs (which they will barring an 8 game losing streak). Peppers can be franchise tagged since he doesn't have a clause in his current contract that stops the team from tagging him, he has been working on an extension already but rumors are the sides are far apart so he may go down to the wire. It is unlikely that the Ravens can fit Dawan Landry, Bart Scott, Terrell Suggs (all UFA) and a new contract for Ray Lewis under the cap with enough room to sign draft picks. My feeling is Bart Scott gets the boot and becomes a highly sought after UFA. Brian Dawkins are rumored to be willing to take a pay cut to stay in Philly and the Eagles seem to be very willing to keep him. They could recieve some cap room by trading away Sheldon Brown or more likely Lito Sheppard. Dunta Robinson is probably the best UFA DB, but comes with a huge injury caveat. There are a number of interesting decisions some teams will have to make and I think you will see the Broncos take a good look at the contracts of some in house talent first before assessing their FA strategy.

11-08-2008, 11:55 PM	#10
BroncoMan4ever Ring of Famer Here to chew bubblegum and kick ass Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 11,567 Adopt-a-Bronco: VIRGIL GREEN!!!	how exactly does the Franchise tag work for a team? i know franchising a player gives that player the average salary of the top 5 highest paid players at his position, but does that count against the cap for the team?