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azbroncfan · 11-02-2008, 04:47 PM

At this point in Cutler's career he is playing worse than the man he replaced.

Jake Plummer>Cutler

Not that I think we should replace him or anything but Plummer did more with less and could at least win ball games. Cutler right now is just like Plummer was early in his career in AZ with a stronger arm. Cutler has a lot better recievers and is playing some really crappy football and is a TO machine with either INT's or fumbles. I'm not a football coach but Shanny needs to ride his ass and knock down that cocky ass attitude a few notches. I think he was really believing all the hype early in the year but he has turned into a straight up liability.

Doggcow · 11-02-2008, 04:49 PM

Say what you want but.... FINISH THE ****ING THREAD TITLE BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR POST

broncofan2438 · 11-02-2008, 04:50 PM

At this point how can we dissagree? Cutler sucks

Doggcow · 11-02-2008, 04:51 PM

Is this the new thing? "What do you think about....." "Say what you want but..." what the **** is this ****? Title your threads.

Do you turn in papers to your professor/boss saying "I think that...." "We could save costs if....."? Seriously?

Blart · 11-02-2008, 04:55 PM

I agree but I also agree this thread title sucks

azbroncfan · 11-02-2008, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Doggcow

Is this the new thing? "What do you think about....." "Say what you want but..." what the **** is this ****? Title your threads.

Do you turn in papers to your professor/boss saying "I think that...." "We could save costs if....."? Seriously?

Worked on your DUMB F##$ING ass. Hookline and sinker.

lazarus4444 · 11-02-2008, 05:03 PM

Nope, Cutler right now will always be better than plummer at his best. Cutler has way more ceiling than plummer ever did. Although, if Cutler doesn't learn this year his potential may go unrealized.

bloodsunday · 11-02-2008, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

At this point in Cutler's career he is playing worse than the man he replaced.

Jake Plummer>Cutler

Not that I think we should replace him or anything but Plummer did more with less and could at least win ball games. Cutler right now is just like Plummer was early in his career in AZ with a stronger arm. Cutler has a lot better recievers and is playing some really crappy football and is a TO machine with either INT's or fumbles. I'm not a football coach but Shanny needs to ride his ass and knock down that cocky ass attitude a few notches. I think he was really believing all the hype early in the year but he has turned into a straight up liability.

It's easy to jump to this conclusion, but I'd point out 3 things:

1) Plummer had one truly great season and we led the league with +20 in the turnover margin. We also had a top 10 D statistically that year. That meant he didn't have to force things.

2) We ran the ball much better for Plummer than we have this season.

3) Gary Kubiak was his offensive coordinator.

The MVPlaya · 11-02-2008, 05:06 PM

Got damn, some Broncos fans are just stupid as rocks and must have completely forgot what they were watching when Plummer played. Put Plummer in our offense today, then talk. Did you already forget how you would hold your breath every time Plummer stood up in the pocket, hoping he wouldn't do something stupid?

****in stupid fans...

azbroncfan · 11-02-2008, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The MVPlaya

Got damn, some Broncos fans are just stupid as rocks and must have completely forgot what they were watching when Plummer played. Put Plummer in our offense today, then talk. Did you already forget how you would hold your breath every time Plummer stood up in the pocket, hoping he wouldn't do something stupid?

****in stupid fans...

Yeah he threw for 27 tds 20 INTs and 4000 yards.

HEAV · 11-02-2008, 05:15 PM

Jake had a running game. Jake was great at playaction. Jake didn't take any of Shanny's ****.

But Jake had limited arm strentgh, and reading the entire field. He also let jis emotions take over.

Need to stop blaming teh players and look at the guy holding the playbook and making faces on the sideline.

broncofan2438 · 11-02-2008, 05:16 PM

This team is dooooooooomed

Rock Chalk · 11-02-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus4444

Nope, Cutler right now will always be better than plummer at his best. Cutler has way more ceiling than plummer ever did. Although, if Cutler doesn't learn this year his potential may go unrealized.

Thats just retarded.

Plummer at his best was a brilliant game manager that led a team to the AFC CHampionship game that had absolutely no business being there.

Cutler has a superior offense around him than Plummer ever head, specifically on the offensive line and he has done less with more than Plummer did "at his best".

RIGHT NOW, Plummer > Cutler. RIGHT NOW, Cutler is a very poor QB.

Doggcow · 11-02-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

Worked on your DUMB F##$ING ass. Hookline and sinker.

It did? I only came in to try and discourage retardism on the forums like this. Whats the thread about anyway? I was just saying what I wanted to, LIKE YOU TOLD ME TO DO IN THE TITLE, and thats "You're absolutely terrible at naming threads"

The MVPlaya · 11-02-2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

Yeah he threw for 27 tds 20 INTs and 4000 yards.

I know you're not that stupid.

That offense was completely different from what we run today.

And I know you're not stupid enough to realize that Cutler is on pace to throw more ints, yards, and the same amount of INTs.

I'm not saying he will...but the fact that you throw out stats of an entire season against Cutler NOW?

Yeah, I stand by my statement.

****in stupid fans.

broncofan2438 · 11-02-2008, 05:19 PM

Bring in new staff

The MVPlaya · 11-02-2008, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

Thats just retarded.

Plummer at his best was a brilliant game manager that led a team to the AFC CHampionship game that had absolutely no business being there.

Cutler has a superior offense around him than Plummer ever head, specifically on the offensive line and he has done less with more than Plummer did "at his best".

RIGHT NOW, Plummer > Cutler. RIGHT NOW, Cutler is a very poor QB.

Jake Plummer had a better defense too.

They played completely different roles...

Jay Cutler's poor performance his amplified by our piss poor defense. When nothing works, everything gets blown out of proportion.

Plummer was in a good situation.

azbroncfan · 11-02-2008, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by The MVPlaya

And I know you're not stupid enough to realize that Cutler is on pace to throw more ints, yards, and the same amount of INTs.

****in stupid fans.

WTF are you saying above? Throw more INT's or the same amount? Not the exact same offense but it was more conservative one, with less weapons at WR/TE and is putting up very comparable numbers. Not saying Plummer is a better QB but you can't be so blind to not see that Jay is not playing good football and he is playing on par with what Jake did. Throw out the first two weeks of the season and then interpolate the stats and you tell me how well Jay is playing? Who is the f&^King idiot is.

azbroncfan · 11-02-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

Thats just retarded.

Plummer at his best was a brilliant game manager that led a team to the AFC CHampionship game that had absolutely no business being there.

Cutler has a superior offense around him than Plummer ever head, specifically on the offensive line and he has done less with more than Plummer did "at his best".

RIGHT NOW, Plummer > Cutler. RIGHT NOW, Cutler is a very poor QB.

Exactly and people are too F#&King homerisitic to look at the truth. Throw out the first 2 games and you will see how great Jay has played. More INT's than TD's and lets not even mention the fumbles.

(Jae) · 11-02-2008, 05:39 PM

Plummer was asked to manage the game, Cutler is asked to win it.
Which is why I would love to go back to running the ball more to set up the pass better like we did with Plummer.

rovolution · 11-02-2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by (Jae)

Plummer was asked to manage the game, Cutler is asked to win it.

Exactly. Nothing illustrates this more than when after the Eddie Royal 95 yard return, Shanny puts faith in Jay to throw it into the endzone for the TD as opposed to trying to pound it in.

Doggcow · 11-02-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

Who is the f&^King idiot is.

Nomad · 11-02-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rovolution

Exactly. Nothing illustrates this more than when after the Eddie Royal 95 yard return, Shanny puts faith in Jay to throw it into the endzone for the TD as opposed to trying to pound it in.

Didn't he try to pound it in on 1st and then threw it on 2nd? I recall Plummer doing the same thing during his tenure...

Doggcow · 11-02-2008, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by azbroncfan

Exactly and people are too F#&King homerisitic to look at the truth. Throw out the first 2 games and you will see how great Jay has played. More INT's than TD's and lets not even mention the fumbles.

All right deal. I'll throw out jays GOOD games and only look at the bad ones. Ok you're right.

Your Turn, throw out the bad games Cutler has had and he's a ****ing superstar!

WOW LOOK WHAT I DID THERE!

uplink · 11-02-2008, 05:49 PM

I was for replacing Plummer with Culter but it does seem this team has for the most part played poorly since Plummer was benched.

The defense has dropped off quite a bit for some reason since the QB change. I guess they tried to rebuild the defense and adjust the scheme to coincide with changes in the offense.

11-02-2008, 04:47 PM	#1
azbroncfan Ring of Famer Angry guntoting,meateating AMERICAN Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Scottsdale Posts: 8,669 Adopt-a-Bronco: TEBOW	Say what you want but...... At this point in Cutler's career he is playing worse than the man he replaced. Jake Plummer>Cutler Not that I think we should replace him or anything but Plummer did more with less and could at least win ball games. Cutler right now is just like Plummer was early in his career in AZ with a stronger arm. Cutler has a lot better recievers and is playing some really crappy football and is a TO machine with either INT's or fumbles. I'm not a football coach but Shanny needs to ride his ass and knock down that cocky ass attitude a few notches. I think he was really believing all the hype early in the year but he has turned into a straight up liability.

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11-02-2008, 04:49 PM	#2
Doggcow Rebel Laughs At Unbelievers Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,298 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Say what you want but.... FINISH THE ****ING THREAD TITLE BEFORE YOU MAKE YOUR POST

11-02-2008, 04:50 PM	#3
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	At this point how can we dissagree? Cutler sucks

11-02-2008, 04:51 PM	#4
Doggcow Rebel Laughs At Unbelievers Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,298 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Is this the new thing? "What do you think about....." "Say what you want but..." what the ** is this **? Title your threads. Do you turn in papers to your professor/boss saying "I think that...." "We could save costs if....."? Seriously?

11-02-2008, 04:55 PM	#5
Blart I'm gay for the Broncos! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: San Francisco Posts: 2,588 Adopt-a-Bronco: All @ same time	I agree but I also agree this thread title sucks

11-02-2008, 05:03 PM	#7
lazarus4444 Ring of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,240 Adopt-a-Bronco: Coach McDaniels	Nope, Cutler right now will always be better than plummer at his best. Cutler has way more ceiling than plummer ever did. Although, if Cutler doesn't learn this year his potential may go unrealized.

11-02-2008, 05:06 PM	#9
The MVPlaya Denver Broncos out with the old, IN WITH THE NEW Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 5,384	Got damn, some Broncos fans are just stupid as rocks and must have completely forgot what they were watching when Plummer played. Put Plummer in our offense today, then talk. Did you already forget how you would hold your breath every time Plummer stood up in the pocket, hoping he wouldn't do something stupid? ****in stupid fans...

11-02-2008, 05:15 PM	#11
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	Jake had a running game. Jake was great at playaction. Jake didn't take any of Shanny's ****. But Jake had limited arm strentgh, and reading the entire field. He also let jis emotions take over. Need to stop blaming teh players and look at the guy holding the playbook and making faces on the sideline.

11-02-2008, 05:16 PM	#12
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	This team is dooooooooomed

11-02-2008, 05:19 PM	#16
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	Bring in new staff

11-02-2008, 05:39 PM	#20
(Jae) Pro Bowler New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 625 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Plummer was asked to manage the game, Cutler is asked to win it. Which is why I would love to go back to running the ball more to set up the pass better like we did with Plummer.

11-02-2008, 05:49 PM	#25
uplink Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 1,813	I was for replacing Plummer with Culter but it does seem this team has for the most part played poorly since Plummer was benched. The defense has dropped off quite a bit for some reason since the QB change. I guess they tried to rebuild the defense and adjust the scheme to coincide with changes in the offense.