Why take holding penalty on Dumervil sack - The Orange Mane

wandlc · 11-02-2008, 04:40 PM

I don't post much, but I was wondering why take that penalty. There was a play for -5 yards and you put the other team on 3rd down with only one more chance to make a first down. You only gained an additional 5 yards but I don't think giving back a down is worth it. And in this instance the next play was unsuccessful for the fins which would have lead to a 4th down instead of 3rd down.

TheChamp24 · 11-02-2008, 04:45 PM

I think it was only a loss of 2 in the end, so it would've set up 3rd and 10 I think from the 45. I thought they should've declined the penalty, but oh well.
Still can't give up a 18 yard pass on 3rd and 19.

Defense caved in there on the last drive, it was brutal to watch.

joe9999 · 11-02-2008, 04:51 PM

The worst play of the entire game had to be when they picked up that 3rd and 19. Why do on all out blitz in that situation?

The MVPlaya · 11-02-2008, 04:55 PM

That was the right call, to take that penalty. It ended up 3rd and 19 anyways? Why the **** would you even ask that question?

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Originally Posted by joe9999

The worst play of the entire game had to be when they picked up that 3rd and 19. Why do on all out blitz in that situation?

It would have been great if we got a sack, but Slowik got outsmarted on that play... he decided to play soft all game and then he finally decides to blitz. He probably wanted to try and knock them out of FG range...but at 3rd and 19, most, if not all, teams will run a short play to try to maintain their FG range or just chew up extra yardage when the game is on the line.

RunSilentRunDeep · 11-02-2008, 05:07 PM

It was stupid to take the penalty. If you can give this defense a chance to get off the field in the next play, you don't keep playing with fire.

Doggcow · 11-02-2008, 05:09 PM

I thought it was rediculous too.

broncofan2438 · 11-02-2008, 05:10 PM

Who cares? We look ridiculous anyway!

Denver724 · 11-02-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Doggcow

I thought it was rediculous too.

Agreed. I thought time on the clock was more important. Did not make much sense. The 3rd and 19 play was a real bummer.

The MVPlaya · 11-02-2008, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RunSilentRunDeep

It was stupid to take the penalty. If you can give this defense a chance to get off the field in the next play, you don't keep playing with fire.

2nd and 19 > 3rd and 10 in most situations.

This is the type of thinking that causes defense to NOT make plays.

You can think, don't take the penalty and lets just get off the field asap!

Or you can think

Take the penalty, and give ourselves 2 more chances to force a TO.

Obviously your thinking falls into the category of how our defense has been playing all season, piss poor with no turnovers.

lazarus4444 · 11-02-2008, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by The MVPlaya

2nd and 19 > 3rd and 10 in most situations.

This is the type of thinking that causes defense to NOT make plays.

You can think, don't take the penalty and lets just get off the field asap!

Or you can think

Take the penalty, and give ourselves 2 more chances to force a TO.

Obviously your thinking falls into the category of how our defense has been playing all season, piss poor with no turnovers.

^^ Nice post.

The MVPlaya · 11-02-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by lazarus4444

^^ Nice post.

Thank you.

broncofan2438 · 11-02-2008, 05:22 PM

hahahahaha, this is pathetic

Rock Chalk · 11-02-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jth1331

I think it was only a loss of 2 in the end, so it would've set up 3rd and 10 I think from the 45. I thought they should've declined the penalty, but oh well.
Still can't give up a 18 yard pass on 3rd and 19.

Defense caved in there on the last drive, it was brutal to watch.

They did, but to their defense, they had been on the field an insane amount of time because of the ineptness of the offense most of the night.

3 turnovers and a couple of 3 and outs and like a 42 second scoring drive from the offense really hurt the defense's performance down the stretch.

They really did look good for most of the game though and at least they had some heart.

wandlc · 11-02-2008, 05:32 PM

It went from 3rd and 14 to 2nd and 19. The ball went from the Denver 48 to the Miami 47. A difference of 5 yards. And it is not based on the play of the defense, I don't think it is the right call one way or the other. And forcing a 4th down at that point with one more play is turning the ball over with more time on the clock.

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Originally Posted by The MVPlaya

2nd and 19 > 3rd and 10 in most situations.

This is the type of thinking that causes defense to NOT make plays.

You can think, don't take the penalty and lets just get off the field asap!

Or you can think

Take the penalty, and give ourselves 2 more chances to force a TO.

Obviously your thinking falls into the category of how our defense has been playing all season, piss poor with no turnovers.

The MVPlaya · 11-02-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by wandlc

It went from 3rd and 14 to 2nd and 19. The ball went from the Denver 48 to the Miami 47. A difference of 5 yards. And it is not based on the play of the defense, I don't think it is the right call one way or the other. And forcing a 4th down at that point with one more play is turning the ball over with more time on the clock.

Do you know how much time was left at that point?

Please post it to let me know that you know, I have a feeling once you know, you'll realize how ignorant your post was.

Captain 'Dre · 11-02-2008, 06:10 PM

I didn't understand that, either.

Jesus... take the sack and the lost yardage, and don't give the Dolphins another down to work with.

wandlc · 11-02-2008, 06:14 PM

7:08 and yes they needed all the time they could get at that point.

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Originally Posted by The MVPlaya

Do you know how much time was left at that point?

Please post it to let me know that you know, I have a feeling once you know, you'll realize how ignorant your post was.

11-02-2008, 04:40 PM	#1
wandlc Solid Starter New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 239 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Why take holding penalty on Dumervil sack I don't post much, but I was wondering why take that penalty. There was a play for -5 yards and you put the other team on 3rd down with only one more chance to make a first down. You only gained an additional 5 yards but I don't think giving back a down is worth it. And in this instance the next play was unsuccessful for the fins which would have lead to a 4th down instead of 3rd down.

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11-02-2008, 04:45 PM	#2
TheChamp24 DERP DERP DERP The Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Broncos Country Posts: 4,905	I think it was only a loss of 2 in the end, so it would've set up 3rd and 10 I think from the 45. I thought they should've declined the penalty, but oh well. Still can't give up a 18 yard pass on 3rd and 19. Defense caved in there on the last drive, it was brutal to watch.

11-02-2008, 04:51 PM	#3
joe9999 Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 109	The worst play of the entire game had to be when they picked up that 3rd and 19. Why do on all out blitz in that situation?

11-02-2008, 05:07 PM	#5
RunSilentRunDeep Ring of Famer I root for laundry Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,403 Adopt-a-Bronco: Julius Thomas	It was stupid to take the penalty. If you can give this defense a chance to get off the field in the next play, you don't keep playing with fire.

11-02-2008, 05:09 PM	#6
Doggcow Rebel Laughs At Unbelievers Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 8,344 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	I thought it was rediculous too.

11-02-2008, 05:10 PM	#7
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	Who cares? We look ridiculous anyway!

11-02-2008, 05:22 PM	#12
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	hahahahaha, this is pathetic

11-02-2008, 06:10 PM	#16
Captain 'Dre Along For The Ride For THIS I Went To Grad School?!? Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,244 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I didn't understand that, either. Jesus... take the sack and the lost yardage, and don't give the Dolphins another down to work with.