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Old 03-23-2014, 09:29 PM   #6826
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The last news I heard of him after he got cut in preseason from the phins a few years ago was he beat his wife and got 30 days in jail.
My guess is the League black balled him.
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:34 PM   #6827
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DALLAS - Mark Cuban, the outspoken Dallas Mavericks owner, predicts a drastic decline in the popularity of the NFL over the next decade due to the league's greed.

"I think the NFL is 10 years away from an implosion," Cuban said Sunday evening when his pregame conversation with reporters, which covered a broad range of topics, swayed toward football. "I'm just telling you, pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. And they're getting hoggy. Just watch. Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. When you try to take it too far, people turn the other way.
I understand his point but it isn't going to happen so fast. If it does decline it would be more like boxing, slowly fading out of the spotlight.
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:34 PM   #6828
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I don't see how greed would destroy it that quickly. I think Goodell changing things like eliminating KR's and moving the PAT and going to 18 game seasons would hurt it more than greed.
Why do you think they want to go to 18 game seasons?

Greed....more revenue.
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:36 PM   #6829
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I don't think the NFL will implode in 10 years, I just think they're getting a little too greedy trying to milk every last dollar they can from all their revenue streams.
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:48 PM   #6830
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Why do you think they want to go to 18 game seasons?

Greed....more revenue.
I think Goodel wants to reduce 2 PS games and add 2 to the RS. Sure they will be able to charge more for TV rights, they already force season ticket holders to buy the PS tickets so it is more money but not at an extended price to the season ticket holders.

I think it sucks but wouldn't be like forcing season ticket holders to buy more games and the money added would be fractional compared to something like adding 2 totally new unaccounted for games.

Now extending into markets like Europe/Canada/Mexico would be where they would start to get real greedy and could step on their *****.
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Old 03-24-2014, 06:47 AM   #6831
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broncosteven, I think you're missing Cuban's point. He's talking mostly about the increase in NFL broadcasts on days other than Sunday. It used to be that Sunday was NFL football day, which made it special. Then they added a Monday night game. Now they sometimes have 2 games on Monday and 2 on Thursday. What's next? The product just isn't as "special" when it's on multiple times a week. Would Christmas be as much fun if we had it every month?
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:47 AM   #6832
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well Cuban would know about deminishing returns on a product as the NBA has decreased in popularity once the Jordon years were over. That is, I think it's popularity in the mid 1990s was much larger than it now, yet there are still more teams. However, the golden age of the NBA is over (1980s into 1990s) while the golden age of the NFL may be right now.
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Old 03-24-2014, 07:56 AM   #6833
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The basketball players still make about 3x more in endorsements than the other 3 leagues combined thanks to shoe sales.
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The basketball players still make about 3x more in endorsements than the other 3 leagues combined thanks to shoe sales.
Is that true? I don't pay attention to this sort of thing, but I'd imagine that only a handful of guys are getting these big shoe sales endorsements, similar to Peyton plastered everywhere.
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Is that true? I don't pay attention to this sort of thing, but I'd imagine that only a handful of guys are getting these big shoe sales endorsements, similar to Peyton plastered everywhere.
Jesus! Kobe Bryant making 42 million a yr just in endorsements.


PM only made 13 million last yr in endorsements.

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Jesus! Kobe Bryant making 42 million a yr just in endorsements.


PM only made 13 million last yr in endorsements.
No kidding? I don't think I've even heard the name Kobe Bryant since his rape case.

I don't watch basketball, so I guess I'm just missing all these ads.
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Is that true? I don't pay attention to this sort of thing, but I'd imagine that only a handful of guys are getting these big shoe sales endorsements, similar to Peyton plastered everywhere.
basketball, tennis and golf makes all the money on endorsement. mike and mike in the mornings was comparing all top money makers as far as endorsement. Peyton, Lebron, Federer, Tiger, Jeter and Ronaldo are tops at their respective sport.

Here is a comparison for you.

Peyton (12mil), Jeter (9mil), Earnhart (13mil), and Serena Williams (12mil) who are all at the top when it comes to endorsements in their respective sport in America barely tops Lebrons 42mil, but looses to Tiger and Federer who are both at 65mil.

I think the social class of the sport makes a huge difference on how much you get paid rather than the popularity the player.

Roger Federer has 1,080,000 followers on twitter and makes 62mil in endorsements. That's nearly $60 per follower. Ronaldo has 22,800,000 followers on twitter, yet only makes 21mil in endorsements. Thats a paltry .92 per follower.

of the top 10 earners, 5 are either golf and tennis player. top 20, 10 are golf or tennis player. Think about it, soccer has by far is the most watched sport, but their top earner is at #9 at 21mil compared to that of Tiger at 65mil. If Ronaldo played Golf, with his charisma and good looks, he could easily top 100 mil.

Then there is basketball. its the shoes...

http://opendorse.com/top-100-highest...rsers-of-2013/

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^ one of the top posts of the off-season. Repped.
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Old 03-24-2014, 11:06 AM   #6839
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Ronaldo has 22,800,000 followers on twitter, yet only makes 21mil in endorsements. Thats a paltry .92 per follower.
Further proof that women don't pay for a damn thing.
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Further proof that women don't pay for a damn thing.
thats not true, look at Andre Agassi. He was always the top earner for tennis and always around the #2 or #3 mark each year and always behind Jordan when it comes to endorsements. Yet he wasn't really successful on the courts until he was in the later stages of his career.

I stand behind my statement that if Ronaldo played golf or tennis and he dominated the sport like he does in soccer, he could top $100mil a year.
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thats not true, look at Andre Agassi. He was always the top earner for tennis and always around the #2 or #3 mark each year and always behind Jordan when it comes to endorsements. Yet he wasn't really successful on the courts until he was in the later stages of his career.

I stand behind my statement that if Ronaldo played golf or tennis and he dominated the sport like he does in soccer, he could top $100mil a year.
While I was joking above, it's even simpler:

Golf, tennis and basketball = major, major shoe and equipment sales to adults and teens with lot's of disposable income and a huge pool of participants.

Soccer = parents buying the cheapest cleats they can find for their little kids. 99% of which are done playing by the time they could fit into Ronaldo's/Messi's endorsed cleats.
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Golf, tennis and basketball = major, major shoe and equipment sales to adults and teens with lot's of disposable income and a huge pool of participants.

Soccer = parents buying the cheapest cleats they can find for their little kids. 99% of which are done playing by the time they could fit into Ronaldo's/Messi's endorsed cleats.
I partially agree with the, but soccer is pretty serious in some wealthy suburban areas. The "travel" soccer leagues in particular. Fancy adidas uniforms, often endorsed, and the kids with all the top notch gear and parents who are competing to make sure their kid has the best stuff.
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basketball, tennis and golf makes all the money on endorsement. mike and mike in the mornings was comparing all top money makers as far as endorsement. Peyton, Lebron, Federer, Tiger, Jeter and Ronaldo are tops at their respective sport.

Here is a comparison for you.

Peyton (12mil), Jeter (9mil), Earnhart (13mil), and Serena Williams (12mil) who are all at the top when it comes to endorsements in their respective sport in America barely tops Lebrons 42mil, but looses to Tiger and Federer who are both at 65mil.

I think the social class of the sport makes a huge difference on how much you get paid rather than the popularity the player.

Roger Federer has 1,080,000 followers on twitter and makes 62mil in endorsements. That's nearly $60 per follower. Ronaldo has 22,800,000 followers on twitter, yet only makes 21mil in endorsements. Thats a paltry .92 per follower.

of the top 10 earners, 5 are either golf and tennis player. top 20, 10 are golf or tennis player. Think about it, soccer has by far is the most watched sport, but their top earner is at #9 at 21mil compared to that of Tiger at 65mil. If Ronaldo played Golf, with his charisma and good looks, he could easily top 100 mil.

Then there is basketball. its the shoes...

http://opendorse.com/top-100-highest...rsers-of-2013/

bro also you need to look at the sponsors and the deals that each received. Where did Tiger and Jordan make their money (nike). Where does PFM make his money (papa J's?). Pretty sure Federer is the face of rolex and several other luxury items.
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broncosteven, I think you're missing Cuban's point. He's talking mostly about the increase in NFL broadcasts on days other than Sunday. It used to be that Sunday was NFL football day, which made it special. Then they added a Monday night game. Now they sometimes have 2 games on Monday and 2 on Thursday. What's next? The product just isn't as "special" when it's on multiple times a week. Would Christmas be as much fun if we had it every month?
Is Baseball or Basketball or even Hockey any less special?

To be honest I would rather be able to see more games live on different days.

Still sounds like Cuban is pissed at the NFL for not giving him a franchise.
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I partially agree with the, but soccer is pretty serious in some wealthy suburban areas. The "travel" soccer leagues in particular. Fancy adidas uniforms, often endorsed, and the kids with all the top notch gear and parents who are competing to make sure their kid has the best stuff.
Both of my kids are in park district leagues in an upper middle class area. I buy them the cheapest shoes (Nike usually) I can find them as they grow out of them so fast. I get them the cheapest shin guards that they don't grow through as often. For the price of the league fee they get socks, shorts, and a uniform top which are nice.

Other than maybe a chair for the wife and I as they wear down or break we don't really spend money on anything else.

I will look at Sports Authority for sales and I bought my pre-teen daughter some undergarments for her jersey that she would grow into only because they were on sale for a great price. The kids have sweats but if I find them in the clearance rack and they are growing out of them I will pop for it but really other than <$20 for shoes each year there isn't much expense.

I have friends with kids in travel and they don't need much either but they do seem to actually wear their shoes out sometimes rather than grow out of them.

Oh and there is the cost of a ball which they have until they change sizes as they get older and the balls get bigger. Again not a huge or frequent outlay.

The cost is really joining the league and any Tourney fees that they decide to enter. Tourneys are nice because the kids get shirts and my daughter loves to wear her tourney tee's around the house and I haven't had to buy her athletic black shorts because she gets a new pair every year and they last her for years.
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Is Baseball or Basketball or even Hockey any less special?
I would say yes, they are "less special". Their seasons are too long and have too many games, so individual games are less important. Because of this, and probably other factors, their TV ratings are considerably lower. I would expect that if the NFL oversaturates the schedule with games their ratings will also drop, but because of the shorter season and more meaningful games they will stay higher than baseball/basketball/hockey.
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Both of my kids are in park district leagues in an upper middle class area...
You're demonstrating common sense, something many people don't do!
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Price must be right, obviously
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Cuban is right.
No he's not. Reason being there's 7 months between the end of the Super Bowl and the start of the next season. People are itching for it to start back up again by the time it kicks off. So what if there's NFL football on 3, sometimes 4 nights a week during the 5 month long season? During baseball season, there are games on TV EVERY night. He's right about the league getting a little greedy, but it's popularity is stronger than it's ever been. Until these guys are running around out there playing tag, the NFL will reign on.
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Price must be right, obviously
Damn I would love this. I still want a big RB in the draft either way though.
Elway has played the market perfectly.
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