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Old 02-08-2014, 05:31 PM   #6651
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Also..QB's like Kaep has better chance of winning against SEA defense than pocket QB's.

Luck will have even better chance as he is mobile and also better passing QB than Kaep.
Well how many teams get a shot to get a QB like Luck? Elway then Luck was the next one to fit that bill. Guess what Luck gives everyteam trouble. Kaep doesn't give you a better shot than a legit pocket QB. Why don't you look up what he has done against Seattle in his career.
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:33 PM   #6652
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Manning can't do those..that's why we struggled.
Yeah that is why Denver lost. Never mind the terrible pass blocking, kickoff coverage and the D never forced a punt until the 4th quarter. We all know you hate Manning and wanted him cut last year after about game number 2.
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Yeah that is why Denver lost. Never mind the terrible pass blocking, kickoff coverage and the D never forced a punt until the 4th quarter. We all know you hate Manning and wanted him cut last year after about game number 2.
What he wants is to wake up in the morning with tebow lying next to him. It's what it's about,he's still hurts over tebow being a bust.
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Also..QB's like Kaep has better chance of winning against SEA defense than pocket QB's.

Luck will have even better chance as he is mobile and also better passing QB than Kaep.
Kaep isn't all that special. What the 49ers have is a great defense & running game
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Old 02-08-2014, 05:45 PM   #6655
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What he wants is to wake up in the morning with tebow lying next to him. It's what it's about,he's still hurts over tebow being a bust.
I moved on from Tebow long time back. I was a bronco fan before Tebow.
Just don't believe whatever he says.
He just tries to argue with everything i say..It's like i stole something from him.
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Old 02-08-2014, 06:01 PM   #6656
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He just tries to argue with everything i say..It's like i stole something from him.
There definately isn't a shortage of dumb **** you say. From Cut Manning he sucks after game 2 of last year to Why is Moreno our RB I would rather have Hillis. Cut Von now we can win with him. F you FOX! NFL is rigged! F you MCD! F you SHanny! I could go on and on with your drivel.
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Old 02-08-2014, 06:22 PM   #6657
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Yep, he is marginally better at Tebow, when I say that I mean he is better than Tebow at both running and passing. Timmy never had the patience to set his feet then look down field and try to guide the D away from where he wants to run. This is something both Wilson and Choclate Tebow do better. Plus Kap has a better throwing motion but his accuracy isn't top level yet, he could improve, this will be the year though.
Tebow's issues were all around, mental, physical, mechanical.
Tim only knew how to play like he did in HS and at Florida. He never got out of that because he did it for so long and had so much success that he fell behind the curve and couldn't reset himself.

Kaep is mostly all mental. He has all the physical tools, the mechanics at times and potential to be very good.
But people severely overrate him. He is not a really good QB but his other abilities allow him to make up for his lack of QB skills.
That's not a bad thing as a whole but when a game is in the balance his flaws show up big time.
Issues with reads, touch passes, getting the offense in gear.
He is a fiery guy and his teammates respect the hell out of him, but he is not the offensive commander he needs to be as a QB.
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Old 02-08-2014, 06:28 PM   #6658
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people insist Kaepernick sucks because he can't read defenses like Peyton Manning after one season as an NFL starter.

he has the strongest arm in the NFL, he's calm under pressure, he's won more games in the last two years than anyone but Wilson and Peyton, and he's already the second best running QB in the history of the NFL. not good enough. (because he has tattoos)
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Tebow's issues were all around, mental, physical, mechanical.
Tim only knew how to play like he did in HS and at Florida. He never got out of that because he did it for so long and had so much success that he fell behind the curve and couldn't reset himself.

Kaep is mostly all mental. He has all the physical tools, the mechanics at times and potential to be very good.
But people severely overrate him. He is not a really good QB but his other abilities allow him to make up for his lack of QB skills.
That's not a bad thing as a whole but when a game is in the balance his flaws show up big time.
Issues with reads, touch passes, getting the offense in gear.
He is a fiery guy and his teammates respect the hell out of him, but he is not the offensive commander he needs to be as a QB.
I agree with this
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people insist Kaepernick sucks because he can't read defenses like Peyton Manning after one season as an NFL starter.

he has the strongest arm in the NFL, he's calm under pressure, he's won more games in the last two years than anyone but Wilson and Peyton, and he's already the second best running QB in the history of the NFL. not good enough. (because he has tattoos)
Umm no, no one is saying he sucks. Everyone is saying he is not a great QB.
He is a one read and scramble QB with no ability to throw touch passes.
He does the same things that Cutler and Favre did that drive you nuts but he makes plays with his feet to make up for it at times.

He is a great athlete, but he is a average QB who can overcome those issues at times with his legs.
No one expects him to be Peyton Manning. But he does have a lot to improve upon and being the starter for 1-2 years is not a legit excuse.
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of course being a one year starter is a legitimate excuse. peyton threw 26 picks his rookie year. no young QB is carving up the entire field. his career interception rate is 1.7. cutler's is double. he can make throws, like the TD in the NFC Championship Game, that no one else in the NFL can make (except maybe Aaron Rodgers).
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of course being a one year starter is a legitimate excuse. peyton threw 26 picks his rookie year. no young QB is carving up the entire field. his career interception rate is 1.7. cutler's is double. he can make throws, like the TD in the NFC Championship Game, that no one else in the NFL can make (except maybe Aaron Rodgers).
Throwing picks because you try to make a play is one thing. Actually missing reads on a consistent basis and having to scramble to make up for it is a completely separate issue.

Kaep doesn't process reads well at all. You can see where he normally goes through one read and then starts scrambling or panicking in the pocket.
Rarely do you ever see him stand in there and scan the field.
He throws the ball into tight coverage because he doesn't look anywhere else. Vernon Davis is wide open many times on the field and he instead forces a throw into Crabtree or Boldin unless he pulls it down and runs.

There is a reason Dilfer was all over him about being bad at progressions and reads.
Cutler and Favre did it because they literally think that they can make any throw and will attempt to do so. But both could still do touch passing.
Kaep just slings it and hopes for the best. Which is fine at times when you have his arm.

Now in terms of arm strength I don't know why you keep saying Kaep's arm is so strong. Rodgers,Cutler,Flacco,Stafford,Vick,Big Ben and Cam all have wicked arm strength. It's not as if he is in a class by himself.
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his arm strength is in a class by itself

I never said he was an expert at scanning the field. I said you shouldn't expect him to be. and of course he's going to look to run a lot of the time. his running is a vital part of the SF offense. he's the best in the NFL at it. people like to pretend running is some sort of weakness until they watch someone bust a 60 yard run. the media would just as soon eliminate QB running and stick everyone in the pocket, but Colin Kaepernick doesn't have to listen to the media, he has to listen to his coaches. and I'm pretty sure they're not telling him to make 4 reads before he runs. can he get better at reading the field? of course. but that progress is naturally going to be slower in a guy that has seen his legs win playoff games. and it should be.

guys with his arm strength also take longer to develop progression ability because that's how the position works. you say HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT THROW TO X WHEN Y IS WIDE OPEN!?!!? but that's not how playing quarterback works. if you see X and you think he is open enough for you to complete the pass, then you throw it. you don't get to give yourself a mental "maybe" and then look everywhere else.

and it's not like he's completely incapable of standing in the pocket and throwing. look at the tape from the Atlanta game and the super bowl. look at the regular season game against the Packers this year.
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I moved on from Tebow long time back. I was a bronco fan before Tebow.
Just don't believe whatever he says.
He just tries to argue with everything i say..It's like i stole something from him.
You did steal something from him. Time he will never get back from reading some of the absolute garbage you put out.
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Luck destroyed SEA...
Your post reminded me of this that I read yesterday:

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At the end of that drive, with 3:36 remaining in the first half, Manning threw the interception that linebacker and eventual Super Bowl MVP Malcolm Smith returned for a 69-yard touchdown. The Broncos went trips left to break up Seattle’s coverage, and it would have worked had defensive end Cliff Avril not disrupted Manning’s throw with his pass rush, causing Manning to throw a duck to running back Knowshon Moreno that Smith easily jumped. Throughout the game, Denver ran picks underneath, but Manning didn’t exploit the advantages he should have gained by picking apart the Seahawks’ coverage against bunched and grouped formations. In its Week 5 loss to the Colts, Seattle was vexed by Andrew Luck’s ability to drive the ball to his receivers out of trips and bunch. It was ironic (and probably stinging) that Manning’s successor in Indy had that on lock, while Manning did not.
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Your post reminded me of this that I read yesterday:

http://nfl.si.com/2014/02/07/seattle...-bowl-defense/
SEA players acknowledged that they struggle with Mobile QB's.They match up very well with our offense..the same goes with SF..
The best chance for us to win SB next year is to face teams like SEA, GB
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his arm strength is in a class by itself

I never said he was an expert at scanning the field. I said you shouldn't expect him to be. and of course he's going to look to run a lot of the time. his running is a vital part of the SF offense. he's the best in the NFL at it. people like to pretend running is some sort of weakness until they watch someone bust a 60 yard run. the media would just as soon eliminate QB running and stick everyone in the pocket, but Colin Kaepernick doesn't have to listen to the media, he has to listen to his coaches. and I'm pretty sure they're not telling him to make 4 reads before he runs. can he get better at reading the field? of course. but that progress is naturally going to be slower in a guy that has seen his legs win playoff games. and it should be.

guys with his arm strength also take longer to develop progression ability because that's how the position works. you say HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT THROW TO X WHEN Y IS WIDE OPEN!?!!? but that's not how playing quarterback works. if you see X and you think he is open enough for you to complete the pass, then you throw it. you don't get to give yourself a mental "maybe" and then look everywhere else.

and it's not like he's completely incapable of standing in the pocket and throwing. look at the tape from the Atlanta game and the super bowl. look at the regular season game against the Packers this year.
His arm strength is nowhere near in a class by itself. It's Barely top 5. A class by itself would infer that it was one of a kind and unique. It is not.

Best at what? Wilson,Vick and RGIII are far more dangerous as a runner than Kaep.
Kaep is just bigger, no doubt he is dangerous when allowed to roam free but he is far from the best.

But that's just it. If he can't run he is a below average QB and he struggled mightily early on in the year when teams dared him to beat them with only his arm and took away the read option.
He is pedestrian when he has to be a pocket QB.

There is a reason why they make QB's go through their reads and teach them how to go through progressions. It's not "See the first guy and lock on regardless."
Open enough? The WR is either open or you have to throw him open.
There is no excuse in the world why you can't make at least 2 solid reads and look off the D before trying to throw.
A 5 step drop is long enough to do that and they run a lot of gun and pistol formation so he can see the field.

So you're saying that the only time Kaep can play a good pocket game is against rookie DB's and piss poor secondaries who can't force him to make reads?

Kaep is a very good athlete, he has a strong arm, he is not a great QB.
Nothing about him is in a class by itself.
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SEA players acknowledged that they struggle with Mobile QB's.They match up very well with our offense..the same goes with SF..
The best chance for us to win SB next year is to face teams like SEA, GB
WTF are you saying? You couldn't pick 2 different teams than GB or Seattle. What mobile QB has seattle struggled against? Yes they lost to the COLTS on the road and Luck can make every team struggle. Name another one please.
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It pisses me off when members of Congress feel the need to get involved in sports related issues.

Anything to make a headline for themselves instead of tackling the laundry list of issues they are getting paid to address.
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OK, I know we were all poking fun at Lombardi being a Patriots slappy.
Now he is about to join the organization.
Lombardi to the Pats
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Yeah he said that on NFL network. Which is his right. But Seattle is not hurting for DL.
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Yeah he said that on NFL network. Which is his right. But Seattle is not hurting for DL.
Someone said he wants to play with his brother in Chi-Town.

It might not cripple Seattles DL but it will make them have to take another chance on a new guy rather than locking up a known commodity and staying consistent.

All it should take is a couple chinks in the armor then a couple mistakes in FA/Draft then suddenly a Dominant D becomes only kFc type Dominant.
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