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Old 09-22-2014, 10:59 PM   #1
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Default Broncos only 15th best NFL franchise of all time?

according to this article...

http://nflspinzone.com/2014/08/14/st...der-greatness/

we rank #15.

above us #14 through #1: Patriots, Dolphins, Raiders (ugh!), Vikings, Browns, Rams, Redskins, Colts, 49ers, Cowboys, Bears, Steelers, Giants, Packers

this is obviously a flawed way to evaluate franchises, since some franchises have been around MUCH longer than others and played in eras with many fewer teams (thus more chances to win titles, etc.) and doesn't account for the east coast bias in HOF and other award voting, but still it's mildly interesting to see how teams stack up against each other using the author's metric and to review their historic accomplishments.
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Old 09-23-2014, 12:13 AM   #2
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The Vikings and Browns? WTF?
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Old 09-23-2014, 12:26 AM   #3
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The Vikings and Browns? WTF?
the Browns were dominant in the 50's and 60's.

the Vikings were dominant in the 60's and 70's. they've also made the playoffs A LOT.

this is a case where old AFL teams get short changed because anything they accomplished in the AFL is ignored. only NFL accomplishments are taken into account. as far as the article is concerned, the Broncos didn't exist prior to 1970. of course, prior to 1970 there wasn't much for the Broncos to be proud of anyway, so that's not a big deal. but for NFL teams that go back to the 20's, they've had a MUCH longer time to build up a list of accomplishments. that's why the Bears rank #4 and the Packers rank #1.
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the Browns were dominant in the 50's and 60's.

the Vikings were dominant in the 60's and 70's.
Okay, but when were the fricking EAGLES dominant?!

We beat them, but by FOUR MEASLEY points! We should KILL a doormat franchise like Philly in these kinds of rankings.
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One would think that 2 decades of futility would take the Raiders down a few more notches.
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Old 09-23-2014, 04:51 AM   #6
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If any NFL teams have AFL histories, it would make sense not to ignore achievements during the AFL years.
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Old 09-23-2014, 05:32 AM   #7
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NFL Spin Zone dot com?

I wouldn't even buy my d!ck pills there.
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His point system is totally arbitrary. Like he says we get knocked for "not sending enough people to the hall of fame." If you said this to a group of Bronco fans they would rip your nuts off.

Also he's pretty much screwing every AFL team because he's giving "greatness" points for being around longer. It's not the franchise's fault it came into exist in the sixties, seventies or later. I would have weighted them based on how they did while they were around. I would also dock points for number of seasons they didn't do anything.
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You could probably take his point system and adjust it for the Super Bowl era... maybe even taking out the BS subjective HOF and MVP stuff... I'm sure the results would be quite different.
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Old 09-23-2014, 11:15 AM   #13
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That's a **** list and a **** thread
when did the OM filter start filtering out "good" with "****"
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according to this article...

http://nflspinzone.com/2014/08/14/st...der-greatness/

we rank #15.

above us #14 through #1: Patriots, Dolphins, Raiders (ugh!), Vikings, Browns, Rams, Redskins, Colts, 49ers, Cowboys, Bears, Steelers, Giants, Packers

this is obviously a flawed way to evaluate franchises, since some franchises have been around MUCH longer than others and played in eras with many fewer teams (thus more chances to win titles, etc.) and doesn't account for the east coast bias in HOF and other award voting, but still it's mildly interesting to see how teams stack up against each other using the author's metric and to review their historic accomplishments.
Browns, Raiders, Vikings andColts?
Give me a break!
By tradition, by history, it should be, the Packers, Steelers, Cowboys, 49ers, Broncos, Giants, Colts, Redskins. No room for anyone else
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Rankings should start with either first Super Bowl or AFL-NFL merger.

You should also ADD: "If you suck horribly for 10-plus years in a row, minus points for that."

Make these changes and we don't need to add up the totals, I'm sure you'd get:

1st Tier: Steelers, Cowboys

2nd Tier: Giants, Broncos, Redskins, 49ers, Patriots

3rd Tier: Packers, Raiders


NOTE: Packers would not make it if rankings start with merger

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Old 09-23-2014, 11:50 AM   #16
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the Browns were dominant in the 50's and 60's.

the Vikings were dominant in the 60's and 70's. they've also made the playoffs A LOT.

this is a case where old AFL teams get short changed because anything they accomplished in the AFL is ignored. only NFL accomplishments are taken into account. as far as the article is concerned, the Broncos didn't exist prior to 1970. of course, prior to 1970 there wasn't much for the Broncos to be proud of anyway, so that's not a big deal. but for NFL teams that go back to the 20's, they've had a MUCH longer time to build up a list of accomplishments. that's why the Bears rank #4 and the Packers rank #1.
Sorry, but I'm not seeing the Vikings. I can understand the Browns, they won a lot before the merger. But the Vikings didn't do anything until the 68 season which squashes the "before 70 success". And I'm sure the accomplishments the Vikings had, division winner, playoff appearances, conference championships, we out do them.
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Old 09-23-2014, 11:56 AM   #17
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Can anyone provide a link for most wins per decade or total wins going back to 1980?
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Rankings should start with either first Super Bowl or AFL-NFL merger.

You should also ADD: "If you suck horribly for 10-plus years in a row, minus points for that."

Make these changes and we don't need to add up the totals, I'm sure you'd get:

1st Tier: Steelers, Cowboys

2nd Tier: Giants, Broncos, Redskins, 49ers, Patriots

3rd Tier: Packers, Raiders


NOTE: Packers would not make it if rankings start with merger
Not bad but I would flip the Cowboys with the Giants based on the last 20 years. I would also have the Bears in there at third tier.
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Not bad but I would flip the Cowboys with the Giants based on the last 20 years. I would also have the Bears in there at third tier.
I agree with the Bears. But I think Steelers are the only tier 1.
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I agree with the Bears. But I think Steelers are the only tier 1.
Giants have been in a championship every decade except the 70's and won quite a few. Their history goes back farther than the Steelers too. I would say they are the most consistently historic Franchise in the NFL.
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Old 09-23-2014, 12:29 PM   #23
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Basis should be with these points since 1st SuperBowl:

1) Total times won the Superbowl (10 points)
2) Conference championships (5 points)
3) Total wins/loss percentage (top rank gets 30, bottom gets 1 point)
4) Total winning seasons (top rank gets 30 2nd gets 29 to bottom gets 1 point)
5) Division championships (3 points)
Bonus or deduction points:
1) 5 years of consecutive winning seasons (+5 each time)
2) 3 years of consecutive losing or .500 seasons (-3 minus)

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Old 09-23-2014, 12:54 PM   #24
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This is such PHUKCING BULL SEAMEN. This and how the hell do the Broncos only have Elway, Sharpe and Zimmerman in the HOF?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
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Basis should be with these points since 1st SuperBowl:

1) Total times won the Superbowl (10 points)
2) Conference championships (5 points)
3) Total wins/loss percentage (top rank gets 30, bottom gets 1 point)
4) Total winning seasons (top rank gets 30 2nd gets 29 to bottom gets 1 point)
5) Division championships (3 points)
Bonus or deduction points:
1) 5 years of consecutive winning seasons (+5 each time)
2) 3 years of consecutive losing or .500 seasons (-3 minus)

This is better. 13 wins and a ring equals 10 pts. Division championships shouldnt count bc its not even. Neither should .500ish teams...

1) Super Bowl Wins 6 pts
2) Conference Championship wins 2 pts
3) 13+ win seasons 1 pts
4) 10+ win seasons 1 pts
5) 6 or less win seasons -1 pts
4) 3 or less win seasons -1 pts

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