The latest poll doesn't look good - The Orange Mane

Needa Pass Rush · 10-22-2008, 03:12 PM

IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day Ten
Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2008

Contrary to other polls, some of which show Obama ahead by double digits, the IBD/TIPP Poll shows a sudden tightening of Obama's lead to 3.7 from 6.0. McCain has picked up 3 points in the West and with independents, married women and those with some college. He's also gaining momentum in the suburbs, where he's gone from dead even a week ago to a 20-point lead. Obama padded gains in urban areas and with lower-class households, but he slipped 4 points with parents.

View Results From Prior Days

About IBD/TIPP: An analysis of Final Certified Results for the 2004 election showed IBD's polling partner, TIPP, was the most accurate pollster of the campaign season. Learn more at www.TIPPonline.com.

theAPAOps5 · 10-22-2008, 03:19 PM

I knew this would get posted. Its two polls out of the whole bunch. Thats why you don't count the polls with huge digits and polls that are close.

I would say Obama has about a 6pt lead. You are dreaming if you think this means its closer than it is.

Old Dude · 10-22-2008, 03:28 PM

Yeah, but here's Zogby showing that Obama has opened up a 9.6 point lead.

http://www.zogby.com/

Rasmussen shows Obama at +6

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll

Fox has Obama at +9

http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/102208_poll.pdf

ABCnews has Obama at +11

http://abcnews.go.com/images/Polling...5Tracking3.pdf

Gallup has Obama at +9 or at between +5 and +8 among most likely voters.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx

So the polls are all over the place, but most of them show Obama with some kind of lead, and that's been consistent all month.

Paladin · 10-22-2008, 03:39 PM

Know what? None of those mean a thing.

The issue is howthe vote goes state-by-state. There have been some recent examples of winning the Presodency but not have the majority of the popular vote. To get the EC votes, Obama has to win only 50.1% of the votes cast in that state. I admit that I hope Obama wins the popular vote and the EC, but I really most of all want him to win the EC.

If you look at the state races, many Repugnicans are having serious difficulties in their campaigns. (In Colorado, it looks like Udall has swamped Schaeffer. Schaeffer wont quit, but he wont win, either. Colorado is going Blue. Frankly, as long as Musgrave is retired, the rest will take care of itself.)

National poll nunbers are interesting but predictive of nothing. The popular vote in National elections is usually within a point of two at the end, anyway.

Rigs11 · 10-22-2008, 03:42 PM

repubs selective with their polls? i never heard such a thing..

ak1971 · 10-22-2008, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paladin

Know what? None of those mean a thing.

The issue is howthe vote goes state-by-state. There have been some recent examples of winning the Presodency but not have the majority of the popular vote. To get the EC votes, Obama has to win only 50.1% of the votes cast in that state. I admit that I hope Obama wins the popular vote and the EC, but I really most of all want him to win the EC.

If you look at the state races, many Repugnicans are having serious difficulties in their campaigns. (In Colorado, it looks like Udall has swamped Schaeffer. Schaeffer wont quit, but he wont win, either. Colorado is going Blue. Frankly, as long as Musgrave is retired, the rest will take care of itself.)

National poll nunbers are interesting but predictive of nothing. The popular vote in National elections is usually within a point of two at the end, anyway.

i think i posted this before..http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

Paladin · 10-22-2008, 03:48 PM

Didn't know you did.

bronclvr · 10-22-2008, 04:03 PM

AP poll: Candidates running nearly even

Neck-and-neck results are a departure from many recent national polls

WASHINGTON - The presidential race tightened after the final debate, with John McCain gaining among whites and people earning less than $50,000, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch.

The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as Republican-leaning voters drifted home to their party.

Three weeks ago, an AP-GfK survey found that Obama had surged to a seven-point lead over McCain, lifted by voters who thought the Democrat was better suited to lead the United States through its sudden economic crisis.

The contest is still volatile, and the split among voters is apparent less than two weeks before the Nov. 4 election.

The new AP-GfK head-to-head result is a departure from some, but not all, recent national polls.

Differing survey results
Obama and McCain were essentially tied among likely voters in the latest George Washington University Battleground Poll, conducted by Republican strategist Ed Goeas and Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. In other surveys focusing on likely voters, a Washington Post-ABC News poll showed Obama up by 9 percentage points, while a poll by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center had Obama leading by 14. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, among the broader category of people registered to vote, found Obama ahead by 10 points.

Polls are snapshots of highly fluid campaigns. In this case, there is a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points; that means Obama could be ahead by as many as 8 points or down by as many as 6. There are many reasons why polls differ, including methods of estimating likely voters and the wording of questions.

Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political science professor and polling authority, said variation between polls occurs, in part, because pollsters interview random samples of people.

"If they all agree, somebody would be doing something terribly wrong," he said of polls. But he also said that surveys generally fall within a few points of each other, adding, "When you get much beyond that, there's something to explain."

The AP-GfK survey included interviews with a large sample of adults including 800 deemed likely to vote. Among all 1,101 adults interviewed, the survey showed Obama ahead 47 percent to 37 percent. He was up by five points among registered voters.

A significant number of the interviews were conducted by dialing a randomly selected sample of cell phone numbers, and thus this poll had a chance to reach voters who were excluded from some other polls.

It was taken over five days from Thursday through Monday, starting the night after the candidates' final debate and ending the day after former Secretary of State Colin Powell broke with the Republican Party to endorse Obama.

A post-debates bump for McCain?
McCain's strong showing is partly attributable to his strong debate performance; Thursday was his best night of the survey. Obama's best night was Sunday, hours after the Powell announcement, and the full impact of that endorsement may not have been captured in any surveys yet. Future polling could show whether either of those was merely a support "bounce" or something more lasting.

During their final debate, a feisty McCain repeatedly forced Obama to defend his record, comments and associations. He also used the story of a voter whom the Democrat had met in Ohio, "Joe the plumber," to argue that Obama's tax plan would be bad for working class voters.

"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody," Obama told the man with the last name of Wurzelbacher, who had asked Obama whether his plan to increase taxes on those earning more than $250,000 a year would impede his ability to buy the plumbing company where he works.

On Wednesday, McCain's campaign unveiled a new TV ad that features that Obama quote, and shows different people saying: "I'm Joe the plumber." A man asks: "Obama wants my sweat to pay for his trillion dollars in new spending?"

Since McCain has seized on that line of argument, he has picked up support among white married people and non-college educated whites, the poll shows, while widening his advantage among white men. Black voters still overwhelmingly support Obama.

The Republican also has improved his rating for handling the economy and the financial crisis. Nearly half of likely voters think their taxes will rise under an Obama administration compared with a third who say McCain would raise their taxes.

Since the last AP-GfK survey in late September, McCain also has:

Posted big gains among likely voters earning under $50,000 a year; he now trails Obama by just 4 percentage points compared with 26 earlier.
Surged among rural voters; he has an 18-point advantage, up from 4.
Doubled his advantage among whites who haven't finished college and now leads by 20 points. McCain and Obama are running about even among white college graduates, no change from earlier.
Made modest gains among whites of both genders, now leading by 22 points among white men and by 7 among white women.
Improved slightly among whites who are married, now with a 24-point lead.
Narrowed a gap among unmarried whites, though he still trails by 8 points.
McCain has cut into Obama's advantage on the questions of whom voters trust to handle the economy and the financial crisis. On both, the Democrat now leads by just 6 points, compared with 15 in the previous survey.

Obama still has a larger advantage on other economic measures, with 44 percent saying they think the economy will have improved a year from now if he is elected compared with 34 percent for McCain.

Intensity has increased among McCain's supporters.

A month ago, Obama had more strong supporters than McCain did. Now, the number of excited supporters is about even.

Eight of 10 Democrats are supporting Obama, while nine in 10 Republicans are backing McCain. Independents are about evenly split.

Some 24 percent of likely voters were deemed still persuadable, meaning they were either undecided or said they might switch candidates. Those up-for-grabs voters came about equally from the three categories: undecideds, McCain supporters and Obama backers.

Said John Ormesher, 67, of Dandridge, Tennessee: "I've got respect for them but that's the extent of it. I don't have a whole lot of affinity toward either one of them. They're both part of the same political mess."

Bronco X · 10-22-2008, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paladin

Know what? None of those mean a thing.

The issue is howthe vote goes state-by-state. There have been some recent examples of winning the Presodency but not have the majority of the popular vote. To get the EC votes, Obama has to win only 50.1% of the votes cast in that state. I admit that I hope Obama wins the popular vote and the EC, but I really most of all want him to win the EC.

If you look at the state races, many Repugnicans are having serious difficulties in their campaigns. (In Colorado, it looks like Udall has swamped Schaeffer. Schaeffer wont quit, but he wont win, either. Colorado is going Blue. Frankly, as long as Musgrave is retired, the rest will take care of itself.)

National poll nunbers are interesting but predictive of nothing. The popular vote in National elections is usually within a point of two at the end, anyway.

Exactly. The electoral college picture breaks down a bit like this: The states in play are Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, Missouri, Colorado and Nevada. McCain needs every last one of them to win, unless he seriously thinks he can get Pennsylvania, which he trails by double digits in some polls. Obama, on the other hand, would need only one of those states other than Nevada, while holding his lead in the others states, to win. He's ahead or tied all those states.

Taco John · 10-22-2008, 04:40 PM

Who cares about polls... All I need is Intrade:

cutthemdown · 10-22-2008, 04:50 PM

What you do is poll the polls themselves. Then you have top use some complex equations using free radicals and Physics. In the end if that doesn't work you just wait until they announce a winner on TV.

spdirty · 10-22-2008, 04:52 PM

2 words: Bradley effect.

Paladin · 10-22-2008, 04:53 PM

Actually, I think Harry Potter is doing it to screw us over for all the bigots we have in this country.....

Bronco Bob · 10-22-2008, 05:00 PM

Democrat Barack Obama has expanded his national lead over Republican John McCain in the presidential race to 10 points,
according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Wednesday. Obama leads McCain 52 percent to 42 percent among
likely U.S. voters in the latest three-day tracking poll, up from an 8-point advantage for Obama on Tuesday.
The telephone poll has a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points.

It was the third consecutive day Obama gained ground on McCain as the two begin the final sprint to the November 4 election.

"Obama just keeps growing, he has expanded his lead among almost every major voting group," said pollster John Zogby.
"McCain seems to be out of steam for the moment."

The 10-point lead was the first time Obama's advantage over McCain, an Arizona senator, reached double-digits in the poll.
Obama's lead had floated between 2 and 6 points in the more than two weeks of polling until stretching to 8 points on Tuesday.

Obama made gains with two key swing voting blocs. His advantage with independent voters grew to a whopping 27 points from
15 points and his edge with women voters grew to 16 points from 13.

Obama, an Illinois senator, led among all age groups and in every income group except for the most wealthy voters.
He now has the support of 21 percent of self-described conservatives -- his best showing with those voters.

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...49J0LF20081022

peacepipe · 10-22-2008, 06:45 PM

I personally think it's a good thing,then all these jack*sses that say" since Obama is going to win I don't need to vote" will go out and vote.

JCMElway · 10-22-2008, 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdirty

2 words: Bradley effect.

Four words: STFU.

(Shut the Foneco Up.)

theAPAOps5 · 10-22-2008, 07:03 PM

Hopefully America is past the Bradly effect. If not then I am embarrassed to be an American.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 10-22-2008, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ApaOps5

Hopefully America is past the Bradly effect. If not then I am embarrassed to be an American.

All the Metrics Point to an Obama Win

Back in 2007, when practically every pundit saw Rudy Giuliani as the inevitable Republican nominee, political guru Charlie Cook said he (Cook) was more likely to win the Tour de France than the Republicans were to nominate a thrice-married, gay-friendly, Catholic New Yorker. Cook didn't win the Tour de France and Giuliani didn't win the nomination, so Cook gets a certain amount of credit. Now he says there are six factors pointing to an Obama win in two weeks:

No candidate this far back two weeks out has ever won.
Early voting is going strong and even if something big happens, those votes are already cast.
The Democrats have a 10% advantage in party registration; in 2004 it was even.
Obama is outspending McCain 4 to 1 in many states.
There is no evidence for the so-called Bradley effect in the past 15 years.
Obama is safe in all the Kerry states and ahead in half a dozen states Bush won.

Election Analysis by Pollster Steve Lombardo

Pollster Steve Lombardo also has a nice analysis of where the presidential election stands now. His major points: (1) Obama won the debates big time, (2) Obama is playing offense all over the map while McCain is playing defense, (3) Obama's massive fundraising is a huge advantage, and (4) more people identify as Democrats than as Republicans by an 8% margin. None of these factors look good for McCain.

Atlas · 10-22-2008, 07:48 PM

I wonder at this point we any idiot would still be undecided... I mean dude the election has been going on for a year now and you can't make up your mind on who to vote for?!?!?

Drek · 10-23-2008, 06:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Needa Pass Rush

IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day Ten
Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2008

Contrary to other polls, some of which show Obama ahead by double digits, the IBD/TIPP Poll shows a sudden tightening of Obama's lead to 3.7 from 6.0. McCain has picked up 3 points in the West and with independents, married women and those with some college. He's also gaining momentum in the suburbs, where he's gone from dead even a week ago to a 20-point lead. Obama padded gains in urban areas and with lower-class households, but he slipped 4 points with parents.

View Results From Prior Days

About IBD/TIPP: An analysis of Final Certified Results for the 2004 election showed IBD's polling partner, TIPP, was the most accurate pollster of the campaign season. Learn more at www.TIPPonline.com.

That points out a pretty big hole in this polling data and this poll's previous history. No event in this election has generated a 20 point swing, or even a particularly legitimate 10 point swing.

Also, IBD/TIPP is so accurate that they don't even make fivethirtyeight.com's resource pool.

You want an accurate representation of the electoral landscape fivethirtyeight is where to get it.

TailgateNut · 10-23-2008, 06:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spdirty

2 words: Bradley effect.

as expected.

Garcia Bronco · 10-23-2008, 06:47 AM

McCain's Palin pick is ulimately what has destroyed his campaign on the outside. Poor management and talking points and how the campaign was run in general is what's really done the damage.

OrangeDoofus · 10-23-2008, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

McCain's Palin pick is ulimately what has destroyed his campaign on the outside. Poor management and talking points and how the campaign was run in general is what's really done the damage.

I agree.

But in McCain's defense, he's representing the party in power at a time when the economy is really getting bad. It's hard for anyone to win in that situation, and I think any of the other Republican candidates would be doing worse if they'd been nominated.

Bronco X · 10-23-2008, 07:19 AM

Big Ten has a poll that has Obama up by 12 in Ohio, 11 in Pennsylvania, and 10 in Indiana.

http://www.bigtenpoll.org/

The Indiana poll is big news, it'd been considered a safe state for McCain not long ago but if the poll is accurate, he's got another state he's got to worry about losing, when he's got to keep every state he can and win almost every single toss up state to have any hope of winning.

Paladin · 10-23-2008, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeDoofus

I agree.

But in McCain's defense, he's representing the party in power at a time when the economy is really getting bad. It's hard for anyone to win in that situation, and I think any of the other Republican candidates would be doing worse if they'd been nominated.

And there is a massive disgust with Iraq and GEedubya's incalcitrance in to bringing that cluster**** to an end....

10-22-2008, 03:12 PM	#1
Needa Pass Rush Never say Always Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 5,211	The latest poll doesn't look good IBD/TIPP Tracking Poll: Day Ten Posted: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 Contrary to other polls, some of which show Obama ahead by double digits, the IBD/TIPP Poll shows a sudden tightening of Obama's lead to 3.7 from 6.0. McCain has picked up 3 points in the West and with independents, married women and those with some college. He's also gaining momentum in the suburbs, where he's gone from dead even a week ago to a 20-point lead. Obama padded gains in urban areas and with lower-class households, but he slipped 4 points with parents. View Results From Prior Days About IBD/TIPP: An analysis of Final Certified Results for the 2004 election showed IBD's polling partner, TIPP, was the most accurate pollster of the campaign season. Learn more at www.TIPPonline.com.

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10-22-2008, 03:19 PM	#2
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,115 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	I knew this would get posted. Its two polls out of the whole bunch. Thats why you don't count the polls with huge digits and polls that are close. I would say Obama has about a 6pt lead. You are dreaming if you think this means its closer than it is.

10-22-2008, 03:28 PM	#3
Old Dude Host Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: As if I'd tell you crazies! Posts: 14,209	Yeah, but here's Zogby showing that Obama has opened up a 9.6 point lead. http://www.zogby.com/ Rasmussen shows Obama at +6 http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ..._tracking_poll Fox has Obama at +9 http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/102208_poll.pdf ABCnews has Obama at +11 http://abcnews.go.com/images/Polling...5Tracking3.pdf Gallup has Obama at +9 or at between +5 and +8 among most likely voters. http://www.gallup.com/poll/election2008.aspx So the polls are all over the place, but most of them show Obama with some kind of lead, and that's been consistent all month.

10-22-2008, 03:39 PM	#4
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,152	Know what? None of those mean a thing. The issue is howthe vote goes state-by-state. There have been some recent examples of winning the Presodency but not have the majority of the popular vote. To get the EC votes, Obama has to win only 50.1% of the votes cast in that state. I admit that I hope Obama wins the popular vote and the EC, but I really most of all want him to win the EC. If you look at the state races, many Repugnicans are having serious difficulties in their campaigns. (In Colorado, it looks like Udall has swamped Schaeffer. Schaeffer wont quit, but he wont win, either. Colorado is going Blue. Frankly, as long as Musgrave is retired, the rest will take care of itself.) National poll nunbers are interesting but predictive of nothing. The popular vote in National elections is usually within a point of two at the end, anyway.

10-22-2008, 03:42 PM	#5
Rigs11 Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,855	repubs selective with their polls? i never heard such a thing..

10-22-2008, 03:48 PM	#7
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,152	Didn't know you did.

10-22-2008, 04:03 PM	#8
bronclvr Ring of Famer She is faster than you! 8.39 @ 156 Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,996	AP poll: Candidates running nearly even Neck-and-neck results are a departure from many recent national polls WASHINGTON - The presidential race tightened after the final debate, with John McCain gaining among whites and people earning less than $50,000, according to an Associated Press-GfK poll that shows McCain and Barack Obama essentially running even among likely voters in the election homestretch. The poll, which found Obama at 44 percent and McCain at 43 percent, supports what some Republicans and Democrats privately have said in recent days: that the race narrowed after the third debate as Republican-leaning voters drifted home to their party. Three weeks ago, an AP-GfK survey found that Obama had surged to a seven-point lead over McCain, lifted by voters who thought the Democrat was better suited to lead the United States through its sudden economic crisis. The contest is still volatile, and the split among voters is apparent less than two weeks before the Nov. 4 election. The new AP-GfK head-to-head result is a departure from some, but not all, recent national polls. Differing survey results Obama and McCain were essentially tied among likely voters in the latest George Washington University Battleground Poll, conducted by Republican strategist Ed Goeas and Democratic pollster Celinda Lake. In other surveys focusing on likely voters, a Washington Post-ABC News poll showed Obama up by 9 percentage points, while a poll by the nonpartisan Pew Research Center had Obama leading by 14. A Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, among the broader category of people registered to vote, found Obama ahead by 10 points. Polls are snapshots of highly fluid campaigns. In this case, there is a margin of error of plus or minus 3.5 percentage points; that means Obama could be ahead by as many as 8 points or down by as many as 6. There are many reasons why polls differ, including methods of estimating likely voters and the wording of questions. Charles Franklin, a University of Wisconsin political science professor and polling authority, said variation between polls occurs, in part, because pollsters interview random samples of people. "If they all agree, somebody would be doing something terribly wrong," he said of polls. But he also said that surveys generally fall within a few points of each other, adding, "When you get much beyond that, there's something to explain." The AP-GfK survey included interviews with a large sample of adults including 800 deemed likely to vote. Among all 1,101 adults interviewed, the survey showed Obama ahead 47 percent to 37 percent. He was up by five points among registered voters. A significant number of the interviews were conducted by dialing a randomly selected sample of cell phone numbers, and thus this poll had a chance to reach voters who were excluded from some other polls. It was taken over five days from Thursday through Monday, starting the night after the candidates' final debate and ending the day after former Secretary of State Colin Powell broke with the Republican Party to endorse Obama. A post-debates bump for McCain? McCain's strong showing is partly attributable to his strong debate performance; Thursday was his best night of the survey. Obama's best night was Sunday, hours after the Powell announcement, and the full impact of that endorsement may not have been captured in any surveys yet. Future polling could show whether either of those was merely a support "bounce" or something more lasting. During their final debate, a feisty McCain repeatedly forced Obama to defend his record, comments and associations. He also used the story of a voter whom the Democrat had met in Ohio, "Joe the plumber," to argue that Obama's tax plan would be bad for working class voters. "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody," Obama told the man with the last name of Wurzelbacher, who had asked Obama whether his plan to increase taxes on those earning more than $250,000 a year would impede his ability to buy the plumbing company where he works. On Wednesday, McCain's campaign unveiled a new TV ad that features that Obama quote, and shows different people saying: "I'm Joe the plumber." A man asks: "Obama wants my sweat to pay for his trillion dollars in new spending?" Since McCain has seized on that line of argument, he has picked up support among white married people and non-college educated whites, the poll shows, while widening his advantage among white men. Black voters still overwhelmingly support Obama. The Republican also has improved his rating for handling the economy and the financial crisis. Nearly half of likely voters think their taxes will rise under an Obama administration compared with a third who say McCain would raise their taxes. Since the last AP-GfK survey in late September, McCain also has: Posted big gains among likely voters earning under $50,000 a year; he now trails Obama by just 4 percentage points compared with 26 earlier. Surged among rural voters; he has an 18-point advantage, up from 4. Doubled his advantage among whites who haven't finished college and now leads by 20 points. McCain and Obama are running about even among white college graduates, no change from earlier. Made modest gains among whites of both genders, now leading by 22 points among white men and by 7 among white women. Improved slightly among whites who are married, now with a 24-point lead. Narrowed a gap among unmarried whites, though he still trails by 8 points. McCain has cut into Obama's advantage on the questions of whom voters trust to handle the economy and the financial crisis. On both, the Democrat now leads by just 6 points, compared with 15 in the previous survey. Obama still has a larger advantage on other economic measures, with 44 percent saying they think the economy will have improved a year from now if he is elected compared with 34 percent for McCain. Intensity has increased among McCain's supporters. A month ago, Obama had more strong supporters than McCain did. Now, the number of excited supporters is about even. Eight of 10 Democrats are supporting Obama, while nine in 10 Republicans are backing McCain. Independents are about evenly split. Some 24 percent of likely voters were deemed still persuadable, meaning they were either undecided or said they might switch candidates. Those up-for-grabs voters came about equally from the three categories: undecideds, McCain supporters and Obama backers. Said John Ormesher, 67, of Dandridge, Tennessee: "I've got respect for them but that's the extent of it. I don't have a whole lot of affinity toward either one of them. They're both part of the same political mess."

10-22-2008, 04:40 PM	#10
Taco John 24/7 Broncos In Elway I Trust Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 49,742 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	Who cares about polls... All I need is Intrade:

10-22-2008, 04:50 PM	#11
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,875	What you do is poll the polls themselves. Then you have top use some complex equations using free radicals and Physics. In the end if that doesn't work you just wait until they announce a winner on TV.

10-22-2008, 04:52 PM	#12
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,923 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quentin Jammer	2 words: Bradley effect.

10-22-2008, 04:53 PM	#13
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,152	Actually, I think Harry Potter is doing it to screw us over for all the bigots we have in this country.....

10-22-2008, 05:00 PM	#14
Bronco Bob Tastee Freeze Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 9,464 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	Democrat Barack Obama has expanded his national lead over Republican John McCain in the presidential race to 10 points, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on Wednesday. Obama leads McCain 52 percent to 42 percent among likely U.S. voters in the latest three-day tracking poll, up from an 8-point advantage for Obama on Tuesday. The telephone poll has a margin of error of 2.9 percentage points. It was the third consecutive day Obama gained ground on McCain as the two begin the final sprint to the November 4 election. "Obama just keeps growing, he has expanded his lead among almost every major voting group," said pollster John Zogby. "McCain seems to be out of steam for the moment." The 10-point lead was the first time Obama's advantage over McCain, an Arizona senator, reached double-digits in the poll. Obama's lead had floated between 2 and 6 points in the more than two weeks of polling until stretching to 8 points on Tuesday. Obama made gains with two key swing voting blocs. His advantage with independent voters grew to a whopping 27 points from 15 points and his edge with women voters grew to 16 points from 13. Obama, an Illinois senator, led among all age groups and in every income group except for the most wealthy voters. He now has the support of 21 percent of self-described conservatives -- his best showing with those voters. http://www.reuters.com/article/newsO...49J0LF20081022

10-22-2008, 06:45 PM	#15
peacepipe Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,846 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	I personally think it's a good thing,then all these jack*sses that say" since Obama is going to win I don't need to vote" will go out and vote.

10-22-2008, 07:03 PM	#17
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,115 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Hopefully America is past the Bradly effect. If not then I am embarrassed to be an American.

10-22-2008, 07:48 PM	#19
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	I wonder at this point we any idiot would still be undecided... I mean dude the election has been going on for a year now and you can't make up your mind on who to vote for?!?!?

10-23-2008, 06:47 AM	#22
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 46,001 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	McCain's Palin pick is ulimately what has destroyed his campaign on the outside. Poor management and talking points and how the campaign was run in general is what's really done the damage.

10-23-2008, 07:19 AM	#24
Bronco X Pro Bowler Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 742	Big Ten has a poll that has Obama up by 12 in Ohio, 11 in Pennsylvania, and 10 in Indiana. http://www.bigtenpoll.org/ The Indiana poll is big news, it'd been considered a safe state for McCain not long ago but if the poll is accurate, he's got another state he's got to worry about losing, when he's got to keep every state he can and win almost every single toss up state to have any hope of winning.