GOP Warning McCain About "Hate Filled" Rallies

[Rohirrim]

Even conservative advisor to Nixon, Ford and Reagan - David Gergen is speaking out:
"One of the most striking things we've seen in the last few day, we have seen it at the Palin rallies and we saw it at the McCain rally today," said David Gergen, appearing on Anderson Cooper 360 Thursday evening. "And we saw it to a considerable degree during the rescue package legislation. There is a free-floating sort of whipping-around anger that could really lead to some violence. And I think we're not far from that."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/1..._n_133523.html

Former McCain supporter Frank Schaeffer, writing Friday in the Baltimore Sun, concurred:

John McCain: In 2000, as a lifelong Republican, I worked to get you elected instead of George W. Bush. In return, you wrote an endorsement of one of my books about military service. You seemed to be a man who put principle ahead of mere political gain.

You have changed. You have a choice: Go down in history as a decent senator and an honorable military man with many successes, or go down in history as the latest abettor of right-wing extremist hate.

[OrangeDoofus]

I guess this all depends on whether McCain really was once an honorable, principled man who's only recently sold out so he could get elected, or whether he's actually always been a selfish a-hole who just managed to fool a bunch of people for awhile.

Personally I don't think he has a conscience left in him to stop this kind of thing, but I'd be very happy to be proved wrong.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by OrangeDoofus

I guess this all depends on whether McCain really was once an honorable, principled man who's only recently sold out so he could get elected, or whether he's actually always been a selfish a-hole who just managed to fool a bunch of people for awhile.

Personally I don't think he has a conscience left in him to stop this kind of thing, but I'd be very happy to be proved wrong.

No, I think when Americans are pitted agaisnt each other constantly, and are alligned with party before country that rage is the result. If McCain wins we may see rioting, if Obama wins those on the right will brace for the worst, but we wont be lighting too many fires...

Civil disobediance taken too far, and mistrust of government that extends credence to the bizzare, that lends fuel and respectibility to nutty notions that the government is blowing up levies and buildings for example -- then yes, "chickens come home to roost" in the form of hatred, and eventual violence --toward fellow Americans, who may have a different political or religious slant.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

A seven-term Republican Congressman from Illinois is taking issue with fellow Republican Sarah Palin, saying some of the vice presidential candidate's rallies "don't befit the office she's running for." Republican Congressman Ray LaHood represents the 18th District: central and western Illinois, including Peoria. He's retiring in January. 10/11

The Lynch Mob Politics of McCain-Palin

McCain Camp Boasts of Its Lynch Mobs 10/12

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Bob

No, I think when Americans are pitted agaisnt each other constantly, and are alligned with party before country that rage is the result. If McCain wins we may see rioting, if Obama wins those on the right will brace for the worst, but we wont be lighting too many fires...

Civil disobediance taken too far, and mistrust of government that extends credence to the bizzare, that lends fuel and respectibility to nutty notions that the government is blowing up levies and buildings for example -- then yes, "chickens come home to roost" in the form of hatred, and eventual violence --toward fellow Americans, who may have a different political or religious slant.

You are a clown. Every story posted on here about McCain's unstable personality and his constant rage and what do you get from it? The Left is out of control. You see story after story detailing how the Right is losing control, screaming out epithets against Obama, screaming our racial slurs, turning into a mob, and what do take from it? The Left is out of control. Speaking of somebody deluded by their party's brainwash.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

You are a clown. Every story posted on here about McCain's unstable personality and his constant rage and what do you get from it? The Left is out of control. You see story after story detailing how the Right is losing control, screaming out epithets against Obama, screaming our racial slurs, turning into a mob, and what do take from it? The Left is out of control. Speaking of somebody deluded by their party's brainwash.

Bob is a typical right-wing Kool-Aid drinker who lives in a weird world where reality and facts simply do not matter.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Bob is a typical right-wing Kool-Aid drinker who lives in a weird world where reality and facts simply do not matter.

I guess we will simply have to see what happens if McCain wins in November -- the polls "all say" he cant win (just like 2000 and 2004) and if he does I do suspect that there will be some rioting and destruction of property (I certainly hope not) but likewise if Obama wins, I doubt there will be any rioting, and the same level and anarchy -- the difference is that one group (at least adherents, not necessarily politicians) have greater respect for rule of law, greater tolerance of different views, and greater trust of the federal government.

This is where you can freak out LA -- you may be inclined to say "but look at this person, or that group" ... as examples of how the right are the real hate mongers -- but there is a big difference between not embracing all behavior as equal, and literally chucking rocks at those which whom one might ideologically disagree. You may have had a point to make in 1954, but the left statistically do not believe in God in as high numbers as do those left of center, perhaps that may be an additional reason why the left become a spiritual law on to themselves, as feel they can set their own rules.” Liberals lecture the right to be tolerant, but then have a visceral, hateful response to anyone who may have a less liberal view of the world. It does not seem intellectually consistent -- the liberal stance that” ANYTHING is ok view -- except those views which the left decrees as being old fashioned, or conspicuously Muslim.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Bob is a typical right-wing Kool-Aid drinker who lives in a weird world where reality and facts simply do not matter.

What I think is more typical is to lable, so that one can ideologically dismiss, without addressing real content or core issues.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by Bob

I guess we will simply have to see what happens if McCain wins in November -- the polls "all say" he cant win (just like 2000 and 2004)

Sort of like how the polls said John Kerry couldn't win in 2004?
Oh, wait, John Kerry didn't win in 2004.

CBS News -10/9-11 Bush 3%
Newsweek 10/14-15 Bush 6%
Gallup 10/ 10/14-15 Bush 8%

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/bush_vs_kerry.html

[ScottXray]

I think that we are at a very dangerous point in our nations history.

The level of vehemence and anger that is happening at some rallies, and even in some of the threads here, is exactly the type of thing that leads to
civil wars, ethnic cleansing, and the breakdown of society in general. Both sides have been at least somewhat guilty in fostering this level of distrust.

When the two opposing sides of some issue cannot bring themselves to realise that there are all manner of shades of grey in all these discussions and that while their own position is "correct", yet the opposing view is at least also as much "correct" as their own, it leads to these Polarising positions.

Our own civil war was fought over such positions (States rights vs Union as unbreakable and central authority, and the slavery question), and the wounds of that war are still being nursed today, although the issues that caused it are not the cause of the lingering problems we still face, but the actions taken to win victory for one side, and the aftermath .

The RED state BLUE state dichotomy that the media has tried to portray and take advantage of has also been foisted on us. The real divide is more in tune with Rural Vs Urban positions, and Wealthy vs. Middle/low income classes and the differences in merit that both types accrue. The life style differences

Never the less, the people involved on both sides of the issues have valid points. It is the failure of the opposing sides to accept that a compromise position is possible, and probably necessary, that portends the path of destruction to both.

I was gratified to see McCain try to tone down the rhetoric in his recent campaign stops, but he stopped short of actually pulling the attack ads that foster the fear. Obama also has not toned his ads down.

The constant finger pointing and blame gamesmanship that has gone on discredits both.

Whichever side "wins" this election there may be enough people disaffected on either side that some very unfortunate events may occur. It will then be
a crux moment as to whether the division and hatred will lead to even further acts that put us on a road to destruction, or whether the nation can come to its senses and realise that BOTH sides have at tleast some level of "right"position.

[Bob]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

I think that we are at a very dangerous point in our nations history.

The level of vehemence and anger that is happening at some rallies, and even in some of the threads here, is exactly the type of thing that leads to
civil wars, ethnic cleansing, and the breakdown of society in general. Both sides have been at least somewhat guilty in fostering this level of distrust.

When the two opposing sides of some issue cannot bring themselves to realise that there are all manner of shades of grey in all these discussions and that while their own position is "correct", yet the opposing view is at least also as much "correct" as their own, it leads to these Polarising positions.

Our own civil war was fought over such positions (States rights vs Union as unbreakable and central authority, and the slavery question), and the wounds of that war are still being nursed today, although the issues that caused it are not the cause of the lingering problems we still face, but the actions taken to win victory for one side, and the aftermath .

The RED state BLUE state dichotomy that the media has tried to portray and take advantage of has also been foisted on us. The real divide is more in tune with Rural Vs Urban positions, and Wealthy vs. Middle/low income classes and the differences in merit that both types accrue. The life style differences

Never the less, the people involved on both sides of the issues have valid points. It is the failure of the opposing sides to accept that a compromise position is possible, and probably necessary, that portends the path of destruction to both.

I was gratified to see McCain try to tone down the rhetoric in his recent campaign stops, but he stopped short of actually pulling the attack ads that foster the fear. Obama also has not toned his ads down.

The constant finger pointing and blame gamesmanship that has gone on discredits both.

Whichever side "wins" this election there may be enough people disaffected on either side that some very unfortunate events may occur. It will then be
a crux moment as to whether the division and hatred will lead to even further acts that put us on a road to destruction, or whether the nation can come to its senses and realise that BOTH sides have at tleast some level of "right"position.

good post, well spoken -- if Jesus ran for Office he would be turned into a Socialist by the other team, and if Lincoln were running he would be turned into a bigot. The radicals are the only ones with a voice (half of the time) as they are the only ones willing to take extreme measures to unsure their voice is heard, and the other's voice is taken away. The left hides behind tolerance, when they actually intend on stiffling free speech with the fairness doctrine when they get into office -- the right has done it too -- but culturally the left have the voice of the media right now, and are no longer prentending to be objective....

[frerottenextelway]

[SoCalBronco]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

The only thing that bothers me about the sign is the reference to Muslims. Mr. Obama is clearly not a Muslim. Other than that, I have no problem with the sign.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by Bob

good post, well spoken -- if Jesus ran for Office he would be turned into a Socialist by the other team, and if Lincoln were running he would be turned into a bigot. The radicals are the only ones with a voice (half of the time) as they are the only ones willing to take extreme measures to unsure their voice is heard, and the other's voice is taken away. The left hides behind tolerance, when they actually intend on stiffling free speech with the fairness doctrine when they get into office -- the right has done it too -- but culturally the left have the voice of the media right now, and are no longer prentending to be objective....

You're so clueless it's a miracle you can breathe.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

I think that we are at a very dangerous point in our nations history.

The level of vehemence and anger that is happening at some rallies, and even in some of the threads here, is exactly the type of thing that leads to
civil wars, ethnic cleansing, and the breakdown of society in general. Both sides have been at least somewhat guilty in fostering this level of distrust.

When the two opposing sides of some issue cannot bring themselves to realise that there are all manner of shades of grey in all these discussions and that while their own position is "correct", yet the opposing view is at least also as much "correct" as their own, it leads to these Polarising positions.

Our own civil war was fought over such positions (States rights vs Union as unbreakable and central authority, and the slavery question), and the wounds of that war are still being nursed today, although the issues that caused it are not the cause of the lingering problems we still face, but the actions taken to win victory for one side, and the aftermath .

The RED state BLUE state dichotomy that the media has tried to portray and take advantage of has also been foisted on us. The real divide is more in tune with Rural Vs Urban positions, and Wealthy vs. Middle/low income classes and the differences in merit that both types accrue. The life style differences

Never the less, the people involved on both sides of the issues have valid points. It is the failure of the opposing sides to accept that a compromise position is possible, and probably necessary, that portends the path of destruction to both.

I was gratified to see McCain try to tone down the rhetoric in his recent campaign stops, but he stopped short of actually pulling the attack ads that foster the fear. Obama also has not toned his ads down.

The constant finger pointing and blame gamesmanship that has gone on discredits both.

Whichever side "wins" this election there may be enough people disaffected on either side that some very unfortunate events may occur. It will then be
a crux moment as to whether the division and hatred will lead to even further acts that put us on a road to destruction, or whether the nation can come to its senses and realise that BOTH sides have at tleast some level of "right"position.

Like Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Don't fear conflict. We had to fight to throw off the rule of an English king. We may have to take up arms against those who would impose their religious fundamentalism or some other form of tyranny on us. Or maybe something new; Some form of corporate feudalism. The world seems convulsed right now by various forms of fundamentalism, at home and abroad. And there is really no cure for fundamentalism other than bullets. After all, when somebody starts telling you that God is instructing him to take control of your country and impose God's law as they see it, there can really be only one response.

[Paladin]

[QUOTE=Bob;2123853]I .....but likewise if Obama wins, I doubt there will be any rioting, and the same level and anarchy -- the difference is that one group (at least adherents, not necessarily politicians) have greater respect for rule of law, greater tolerance of different views, and greater trust of the federal government.

Just like Timothy McVeigh? Will we see the KKK in action again?

Not saying it will happen, but those freaks are getting dangerous, and you want to blame your nearly 50 year old illusion of what "liberal" and what the Center/left people are all about. You think of "liberal'" or the "left" as the Chicago protesters of those many years ago. Reagan brainwashed the h3ll out of this country, and many haven't recovered yet.

Some of us who were around those days did not agree with or liked what they did. But they had a point about a stupid war about which lies were being fed to Americans. The anger was real, and the fury was real.

Get real, guy. The potential for violence is rising and the Republicans are spewing BS that fuels it or condoning the crowds' threats and unsavory verbiage.

[Needa Pass Rush]

The loving left.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[Paladin]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Like Jefferson said, "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." Don't fear conflict. We had to fight to throw off the rule of an English king. We may have to take up arms against those who would impose their religious fundamentalism or some other form of tyranny on us. Or maybe something new; Some form of corporate feudalism. The world seems convulsed right now by various forms of fundamentalism, at home and abroad. And there is really no cure for fundamentalism other than bullets. After all, when somebody starts telling you that God is instructing him to take control of your country and impose God's law as they see it, there can really be only one response.

It is entirely possible that we have entered a different age. Some might call it socialism, but I call it survival, at least in the short term. I might prefer socialistic policies rather than Fascists ones. That would at least help to keep your mom and dad in their homes with health care and food. Don't think they are asking for much more, do you? Fascists would take them out back.....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by Bob

The left hides behind tolerance, when they actually intend on stiffling free speech with the fairness doctrine when they get into office --

This is an amazing bit of 1984 type doublespeak.
How exactly is letting both sides express their viewpoint
stifling free speech? So are you saying TJ is stifling
free speech on this board because he is letting both
the left wingers and right wingers post their
point of view?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Paladin

It is entirely possible that we have entered a different age. Some might call it socialism, but I call it survival, at least in the short term. I might prefer socialistic policies rather than Fascists ones. That would at least help to keep your mom and dad in their homes with health care and food. Don't think they are asking for much more, do you? Fascists would take them out back.....

It's funny - if you accept the definition of "socialism" we hear from the Bush youth and contemporary right-wing straw man artists, Eisenhower was one of the greatest socialists of all time when you look at the tax rate on the top 5% during that era (and when you consider what those revenues were used for.)

[Paladin]

You have a point, but my point still stands.....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Paladin

You have a point, but my point still stands.....

Yes it does.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by Needa Pass Rush

The loving left.

Notice that not one single person in the "liberal" crowd yelled out "Kill them".
Not one single person in the "liberal" crowd yelled out these people were Muslims.
Not one single person in the "liberal" crowd yelled out these people were traitors.
Not one single person in the "liberal" crowd yelled out that any these people were the anti-christ.
Not one single person in the "liberal" crowd yelled out these people were baby killers.
Yet the narrator flat out state that the people in the "liberal" crowd would
be more sympathetic to Islamic radicals than to these so-called American
"patriots".
Patriots? Hah, these were rabble rousers who got exactly the sort of
reaction they were looking for. These are the same sort of people as
those neo-Nazis that marched through a Jewish neighborhood just to
stir up s***.