Robertson or Vilma? - The Orange Mane

ward63 · 10-06-2008, 08:18 PM

Who would you rather have? We got Dewayne, but would you rahter have gotten Vilma?

rovolution · 10-06-2008, 08:20 PM

Hixon

goldengopher1976 · 10-06-2008, 08:22 PM

I voted Vilma but not because I know enough football to really break down the pros and cons. Clearly neither one was going to be the single answer to our defensive woes.

Paladin · 10-06-2008, 08:22 PM

How about a seven team trade where Denver ends up with three new boxes of jocks?

SoCalBronco · 10-06-2008, 08:23 PM

Vilma's soft and overrated.

Robertson.

SureShot · 10-06-2008, 08:29 PM

Robertson.

ANIMAL24 · 10-06-2008, 08:30 PM

Stroud

Florida_Bronco · 10-06-2008, 08:32 PM

Robertson.

Webster is playing well at MLB, but if need be we could use Niko, Woodyard or Winborn there. Without Robertson we'd be screwed at DT.

BroncoMan4ever · 10-06-2008, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

Robertson.

Webster is playing well at MLB, but if need be we could use Niko, Woodyard or Winborn there. Without Robertson we'd be screwed at DT.

have you been watching the games? for every good play that Webster has, there are like 3 where he completely overruns his gap and misses a tackle because he wants the killshot instead of a good tackle.

Killericon · 10-06-2008, 10:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ANIMAL24

Stroud

No kidding. I got blasted for suggesting him, and he's been fantastic.

Florida_Bronco · 10-06-2008, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BroncoMan4ever

have you been watching the games? for every good play that Webster has, there are like 3 where he completely overruns his gap and misses a tackle because he wants the killshot instead of a good tackle.

h yeah I've been watching the games, and Webster is playing quite well. There are many others on the Mane who see it as well.

tsiguy96 · 10-06-2008, 10:17 PM

he has been playing well. you arent 5th in the league in tackles if you are constantly missing them...

Paladin · 10-06-2008, 11:12 PM

It is amazing to me that people cam watch the same game and end up seeing two or more different things.

"That was a good play!"

"No it wasn't, he missed two other tackles last year in practice".

goldengopher1976 · 10-07-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Paladin

It is amazing to me that people cam watch the same game and end up seeing two or more different things.

"That was a good play!"

"No it wasn't, he missed two other tackles last year in practice".

Those missed tackles in practice always come back to haunt you. I remember this time...back in the summer of '77...I was only one at the time, but anyway, I remember that Webster was walking down the stairs (we called him Arnold instead, for fun) and said to this guy, "watchoo talkin' 'bout Willis?". And then there were those missed tackles in practice...shoulda been Vilma.

Denver Bronco56 · 10-07-2008, 12:39 AM

I honestly would love to have seen vilma and DJ play together....they are best freinds from what i remember when they were drafted. And robertson has not made a HUGE impact so its kind of a toss up between either one.... but from what ive seen of vilma he has been playing well

Atlas · 10-07-2008, 04:07 AM

Why is Webster getting all this ****? I mean he is playing better than Boss and has half the contract Boss has.

Broncoman13 · 10-07-2008, 05:29 AM

Where's the option for Brian Griese, Simeon Rice, and IHOP?

Can I vote for both?

IMO, if we had taken Vilma we'd still be in trouble vs the run. Taking Robertson helps more against the run, but we don't have a Mike that can get good zone drops in coverage. We really needed both!

Beantown Bronco · 10-07-2008, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Denver Bronco56

And robertson has not made a HUGE impact so its kind of a toss up between either one

Seriously? You think it's a coincidence that literally the only game the Broncos have gotten gashed against the run (and lost) was the one game he missed?

Denver Bronco56 · 10-07-2008, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

Seriously? You think it's a coincidence that literally the only game the Broncos have gotten gashed against the run (and lost) was the one game he missed?

I didnt know he missed the cheifs game....but still its not like his impact is when he is in he is like Albert hayneworth or somthing....he is a decent player

vilma has the potential to be a GREAT player

vancejohnson82 · 10-07-2008, 06:45 AM

Robertson..

The whole reason the Jets moved Vilma was because he was a non-factor in teh 3-4....with the way we switch back and forth we would be having hte "Vilma sucks in this system" threads up here every week...The Jets heart and soul of their defense was Vilma until the switch and they HAD to trade him (look at what they got) because he didnt fit the system. Robertson is a better fit for us.

Beantown Bronco · 10-07-2008, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Denver Bronco56

I didnt know he missed the cheifs game....but still its not like his impact is when he is in he is like Albert hayneworth or somthing....he is a decent player

vilma has the potential to be a GREAT player

Anyone here can tell you that I was pretty much leading the "get Vilma" charge around here all off season. I'd love to have him, but I just don't think he'd have the impact that Robertson has had for one primary reason: I don't think the dropoff from Vilma to Webster is as drastic as the dropoff from Robertson to his DT backups.

Kaylore · 10-07-2008, 06:49 AM

Vilma sucks.

vancejohnson82 · 10-07-2008, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Vilma sucks.

Kaylore,

I rarely call you out, but this statement is absurd. He single-handedly shut down Peterson last night and is, in my opinion, a top 10 defensive player in the league. He's a monster

BabyTO · 10-07-2008, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by vancejohnson82

Kaylore,

I rarely call you out, but this statement is absurd. He single-handedly shut down Peterson last night and is, in my opinion, a top 10 defensive player in the league. He's a monster

What are you smoking? I watched the entire game and i didn't see Vilma anywhere close to where AD was. I remember Vilma making contact with AD on that play where AD almost fumbled but that's about it. And it wasn't even Vilma who was responsible for that, it was the safety after AD gained another 3-4 yards after the Vilma "hit".

ANYWAY
I picked Robertson. Willliams is better than Vilma. Of course, we could have moved Williams to OLB again but then who would take on those double teams on our D-Line? We would struggle. Right now with Robertson we're better off. He might not record 20 sacks this season but he does a lot of dirty work, he takes on 2 guys, other guys make plays because of him.

Smiling Assassin27 · 10-07-2008, 07:45 AM

Two words: Ed Reed

View Poll Results: Who would you rather have gotten in the trade?
Dewayne Robertson	51	67.11%
Jonathan Vilma	25	32.89%
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10-06-2008, 08:18 PM	#1
ward63 The Burner Returner Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,161 Adopt-a-Bronco: Quincy Morgan	Robertson or Vilma? Who would you rather have? We got Dewayne, but would you rahter have gotten Vilma? Last edited by ward63; 10-06-2008 at 08:21 PM..

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SoCalBronco Nixonite Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Arcadia, CA Posts: 33,312 Adopt-a-Bronco: D.J. Williams	Vilma's soft and overrated. Robertson. __________________ ITS A PLAYOFF HOCKEY NIGHT IN PITTSBURGH!

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10-06-2008, 08:20 PM	#2
rovolution Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 2,949 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Hixon

10-06-2008, 08:22 PM	#3
goldengopher1976 Choosing optimism Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 718 Adopt-a-Bronco: Steve Atwater	I voted Vilma but not because I know enough football to really break down the pros and cons. Clearly neither one was going to be the single answer to our defensive woes.

10-06-2008, 08:22 PM	#4
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	How about a seven team trade where Denver ends up with three new boxes of jocks?

10-06-2008, 08:29 PM	#6
SureShot Te-believer Join Date: May 2006 Location: Paradise Divide Posts: 5,996 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Russell	Robertson.

10-06-2008, 08:30 PM	#7
ANIMAL24 THE SATISFIER LETS GO DRAFT Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: LONG BEACH Posts: 216 Adopt-a-Bronco: DARIUS WATTS	Stroud

10-06-2008, 08:32 PM	#8
Florida_Bronco Got trolls? Welcome to Mile High, Brady! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Tampa Bay Posts: 13,810 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brady Quinn	Robertson. Webster is playing well at MLB, but if need be we could use Niko, Woodyard or Winborn there. Without Robertson we'd be screwed at DT.

10-06-2008, 10:17 PM	#12
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	he has been playing well. you arent 5th in the league in tackles if you are constantly missing them...

10-06-2008, 11:12 PM	#13
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	It is amazing to me that people cam watch the same game and end up seeing two or more different things. "That was a good play!" "No it wasn't, he missed two other tackles last year in practice".

10-07-2008, 12:39 AM	#15
Denver Bronco56 Head Coach The Greatest Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 174	I honestly would love to have seen vilma and DJ play together....they are best freinds from what i remember when they were drafted. And robertson has not made a HUGE impact so its kind of a toss up between either one.... but from what ive seen of vilma he has been playing well

10-07-2008, 04:07 AM	#16
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	Why is Webster getting all this ****? I mean he is playing better than Boss and has half the contract Boss has.

10-07-2008, 05:29 AM	#17
Broncoman13 Broncoholic JT #80 Join Date: May 2001 Location: Colorado Posts: 16,961 Adopt-a-Bronco: Orange Julius	Where's the option for Brian Griese, Simeon Rice, and IHOP? Can I vote for both? IMO, if we had taken Vilma we'd still be in trouble vs the run. Taking Robertson helps more against the run, but we don't have a Mike that can get good zone drops in coverage. We really needed both!

10-07-2008, 06:45 AM	#20
vancejohnson82 Drama and Mediocrity I'm Afraid of Ty Law Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newark, NJ Posts: 5,990 Adopt-a-Bronco: DJ	Robertson.. The whole reason the Jets moved Vilma was because he was a non-factor in teh 3-4....with the way we switch back and forth we would be having hte "Vilma sucks in this system" threads up here every week...The Jets heart and soul of their defense was Vilma until the switch and they HAD to trade him (look at what they got) because he didnt fit the system. Robertson is a better fit for us.

10-07-2008, 06:49 AM	#22
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,061 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Vilma sucks.

10-07-2008, 07:45 AM	#25
Smiling Assassin27 STOP! KIPER TIME! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a van down by the river Posts: 10,980 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Two words: Ed Reed