More No-Huddle. - The Orange Mane

Garcia Bronco · 09-28-2008, 01:22 PM

We need to play more no huddle in these games. And mix it up. Make the defense play on it's heels without getting a rest.

Broncosmang · 09-28-2008, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

We need to play more no huddle in these games. And mix it up. Make the defense play on it's heels without getting a rest.

Problem with that is that it gives our already suspect defense even less time to rest. We've got to reestablish the run game consistently.

DB_champ24 · 09-28-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Broncosmang

Problem with that is that it gives our already suspect defense even less time to rest. We've got to reestablish the run game consistently.

Ya trying to establish the run game really worked out for us today against KC's defense, this offense with these players need to be spread out and needs to be in shotgun for the majority of the time.

kappys · 09-28-2008, 01:56 PM

WE lack an inside runner. Selvin is great on the outside but same as last year he struggles to run b/t the tackles. MAybe Torain will help with that but I have a hard time putting my faith into him until I see him on the field.

Slade · 09-30-2008, 09:25 AM

I think the biggest thing about us playing more no huddle is Jay is reverting back to only seeing his #1 read...sometimes we makes it to #2, but in the no huddle that is fine, since the defense is playing off and on their heels.

Kaylore · 09-30-2008, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Slade

I think the biggest thing about us playing more no huddle is Jay is reverting back to only seeing his #1 read...sometimes we makes it to #2, but in the no huddle that is fine, since the defense is playing off and on their heels.

And they get exhausted very quickly. Our offense is young, well conditioned and playing at altitude affords them more hemoglobin. On the road we'll have more stamina and at home the opponents will be sucking air. This plays right into our strengths and I hope we see more of it.

Tombstone RJ · 09-30-2008, 09:42 AM

Run the damn ball more. Hell, line up two in the backfield (Hillis and Pittman) and establish the inside run. Then do some freaking play action. Then give the ball to Hillis occassionally. Its not like there's nothing to work with.

I'd do play action to Hillis and then let him slip out into the flat and throw him the ball. Supposedly the guy can catch. Same with Pittman. Those two are the power backs.

Slade · 09-30-2008, 09:43 AM

A lot of people here want to see more of the run, but that is not our strengh at all. I know the no-huddle will keep our D on the field longer, but we need points! Also we need a complete D overhaul!

Slade · 09-30-2008, 09:45 AM

Jay sucks at making more than one read right now. Yes the play action is great, but when everyone in the whole stadium knows the ball is coming to Marshall it is not that effective. We need to play offense to our strengths.

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Run the damn ball more. Hell, line up two in the backfield (Hillis and Pittman) and establish the inside run. Then do some freaking play action. Then give the ball to Hillis occassionally. Its not like there's nothing to work with.

I'd do play action to Hillis and then let him slip out into the flat and throw him the ball. Supposedly the guy can catch. Same with Pittman. Those two are the power backs.

Tombstone RJ · 09-30-2008, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Slade

Jay sucks at making more than one read right now. Yes the play action is great, but when everyone in the whole stadium knows the ball is coming to Marshall it is not that effective. We need to play offense to our strengths.

If Jay sucks at reading a defense and he zeros in on Marshall too much, then running the ball more is only gonna help him. If the defense has to respect the run, then it opens up the passing lanes. I think Cutler is good enough to know if Royal or Sheffler are open. He's gonna get burned if he keeps forcing the ball to Bmarsh. Again, running the ball more will help him with that.

jmz313 · 09-30-2008, 09:53 AM

I'm all for Pittman getting more carries. He's better in pass pro as well. We throw enough for him to get a shot at the majority of the 1st and 2nd downs.

kappys · 09-30-2008, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Slade

A lot of people here want to see more of the run, but that is not our strengh at all. I know the no-huddle will keep our D on the field longer, but we need points! Also we need a complete D overhaul!

Its not a matter of needing to run it more but getting an inside rushing threat. Right now are only successes are on stretch plays and outside tosses. Opponents don't have to worry about the inside rushing game. Because of that the bootleg has been taken away which is one of Jay's strengths. A good inside rush would force the LB'ers to collapse the middle and open up the edges.

Slade · 09-30-2008, 09:55 AM

JC sure couldn't see that Sheffler was wide freaking open on that bootleg and that Marshall was triple covered!

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

If Jay sucks at reading a defense and he zeros in on Marshall too much, then running the ball more is only gonna help him. If the defense has to respect the run, then it opens up the passing lanes. I think Cutler is good enough to know if Royal or Sheffler are open. He's gonna get burned if he keeps forcing the ball to Bmarsh. Again, running the ball more will help him with that.

Slade · 09-30-2008, 09:59 AM

The patriots didn't have a true run threat before and just used short passes like runs. We are great when we do that! Against the Saints I have no clue why he didn't go to Marshall more...they we playing 10 yards off him everytime!

Not running is fine if we know how to move the chains. Some weeks Shanny is good at this, against the Chiefs it wasn't there!

Also I loved how we used Royal against the Raiders...reverses, bubble screens, I think he was even in the backfield once. Why can't we be using him like that anymore?

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Originally Posted by kappys

Its not a matter of needing to run it more but getting an inside rushing threat. Right now are only successes are on stretch plays and outside tosses. Opponents don't have to worry about the inside rushing game. Because of that the bootleg has been taken away which is one of Jay's strengths. A good inside rush would force the LB'ers to collapse the middle and open up the edges.

SoonerBronco · 09-30-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

We need to play more no huddle in these games. And mix it up. Make the defense play on it's heels without getting a rest.

agreed. Play to our strengths. When you make the Dline suck wind, they have no chance of getting to Cutler and everyone has a chance to get open. The team shouldn't play offense to protect the defense. It's obvious we can score points, so score for pete's sake. If we win 45-42 10 more times this year, I don't think anyone with an ounce of sense would have a problem with that. But again, this is the Mane, and the sky is falling.

Tombstone RJ · 09-30-2008, 10:05 AM

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JC sure couldn't see that Sheffler was wide freaking open on that bootleg and that Marshall was triple covered!

Agreed. I didn't say Cutler was perfect. Even though he's much better, he still has alot to learn and I'm sure he'll get better. I agree that he focuses in way too much on Bmarsh. My point is, the Broncos have to quit relying so heavily on Cutler to throw the ball and the only way to do that is to re-establish the run game.

Tombstone RJ · 09-30-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Slade

The patriots didn't have a true run threat before and just used short passes like runs. We are great when we do that! Against the Saints I have no clue why he didn't go to Marshall more...they we playing 10 yards off him everytime!

Not running is fine if we know how to move the chains. Some weeks Shanny is good at this, against the Chiefs it wasn't there!

Also I loved how we used Royal against the Raiders...reverses, bubble screens, I think he was even in the backfield once. Why can't we be using him like that anymore?

The problem with this philosophy is that if Jay has a bad game, and he's gonna have some bad games (see this KC game) then your screwed. A one dimensional offense is not gonna win many games. Defenses can game plan around that.

Peoples Champ · 09-30-2008, 10:09 AM

RUN the BALL!

Slade · 09-30-2008, 10:09 AM

You are right, the Patriots didn't win too game games last year, did they?

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

The problem with this philosophy is that if Jay has a bad game, and he's gonna have some bad games (see this KC game) then your screwed. A one dimensional offense is not gonna win many games. Defenses can game plan around that.

Tombstone RJ · 09-30-2008, 10:11 AM

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You are right, the Patriots didn't win too game games last year, did they?

The Patriots have a freaking defense. The Broncos don't.

Slade · 09-30-2008, 10:13 AM

Ok, what about the Colts the year before. They has as much as a running attack with Addai as we do. All they had was Peyton.

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Originally Posted by Tombstone RJ

The Patriots have a freaking defense. The Broncos don't.

Tombstone RJ · 09-30-2008, 10:16 AM

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Ok, what about the Colts the year before. They has as much as a running attack with Addai as we do. All they had was Peyton.

And Bob Sanders, and Dwight Freeney and a coach in Tony Dungy who knows how to play defense.

Yah, the offense was great, but don't kid yourself, their defense made plays when they had to.

kappys · 09-30-2008, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Slade

Ok, what about the Colts the year before. They has as much as a running attack with Addai as we do. All they had was Peyton.

Another terrible analogy. The colts defense was much better than ours is currently, and Addai is still a far better back than we have.

BroncoBen · 09-30-2008, 10:18 AM

Careful for what you wish for... I can see the offense having success running the no huddle.. but the defense will be on the field more and we will see more shoot out games where the team with the ball last.. wins.

Slade · 09-30-2008, 10:22 AM

Not until the playoffs when they got Sanders back. Befor ethat all they had was Freeney

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Originally Posted by kappys

Another terrible analogy. The colts defense was much better than ours is currently, and Addai is still a far better back than we have.

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09-28-2008, 01:22 PM	#1
Garcia Bronco Hokie since 1993 Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 45,991 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tom Jackson	More No-Huddle. We need to play more no huddle in these games. And mix it up. Make the defense play on it's heels without getting a rest.

09-28-2008, 01:56 PM	#4
kappys Ring of Famer “It will be of little avail to the Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 3,901	WE lack an inside runner. Selvin is great on the outside but same as last year he struggles to run b/t the tackles. MAybe Torain will help with that but I have a hard time putting my faith into him until I see him on the field.

09-30-2008, 09:25 AM	#5
Slade Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,958 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	I think the biggest thing about us playing more no huddle is Jay is reverting back to only seeing his #1 read...sometimes we makes it to #2, but in the no huddle that is fine, since the defense is playing off and on their heels.

09-30-2008, 09:42 AM	#7
Tombstone RJ Ring of Famer Old School Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In the Tetons! Posts: 19,313 Adopt-a-Bronco: WorrellWilliams	Run the damn ball more. Hell, line up two in the backfield (Hillis and Pittman) and establish the inside run. Then do some freaking play action. Then give the ball to Hillis occassionally. Its not like there's nothing to work with. I'd do play action to Hillis and then let him slip out into the flat and throw him the ball. Supposedly the guy can catch. Same with Pittman. Those two are the power backs.

09-30-2008, 09:43 AM	#8
Slade Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,958 Adopt-a-Bronco: Montee Ball	A lot of people here want to see more of the run, but that is not our strengh at all. I know the no-huddle will keep our D on the field longer, but we need points! Also we need a complete D overhaul!

09-30-2008, 09:53 AM	#11
jmz313 Perennial Pro-bowler Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Maryland Posts: 982	I'm all for Pittman getting more carries. He's better in pass pro as well. We throw enough for him to get a shot at the majority of the 1st and 2nd downs.

09-30-2008, 10:09 AM	#18
Peoples Champ Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Orange County Posts: 3,100 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	RUN the BALL!

09-30-2008, 10:18 AM	#24
BroncoBen Ring of Famer 38-35 double-overtime loss to Balt Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 1,464	Careful for what you wish for... I can see the offense having success running the no huddle.. but the defense will be on the field more and we will see more shoot out games where the team with the ball last.. wins.