How Can Voting for McCain be Rationalized?

[Drek]

Honest question.

There is one basic principle at the core of our country's political dichotomy.

What level of governmental regulation do we want in our lives?

If you want to see economic regulation and civil deregulation you have the democratic party (or even more extreme, the green party).

If you want both economic and civil deregulation you have the libertarian party.

Used to be if you wanted economic deregulatoin and civil regulation you had the republican party. But now McCain is saying he's for economic and civil regulations, despite being against both previously. He's basically doing nothing but blowing smoke.

He's a polymorphic candidate who changes his stances faster than most people change underwear. So what rationale is there for voting for him?

Obama? He's my horse in this race, obviously.

Barr? Sure, he's a ****ty libertarian but at least he sticks with a steady message and is closer to his party's traditions than McCain.

Nader? Again a pick I can understand.

Green party? Sure, I'm all for legalized weed.

But McCain seriously doesn't even have a real platform. He's bait and switching so fast its getting comical. So can someone please give a legitimate reason for electing an economic lame duck who has no legitimate goals for presidency other than "winning the war" that we're now already in talks about ending?

[defenseman]

The same way someone rationalizes voting for a senator...errr...lawyer whose got no record, spent the last two yrs as a senator running for president and has never governed anything in his entire life...yes...that's your obama.....Mr. "I vote present".........get a clue pal......dman

*Worthless thread....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

OK - now that we've heard from the willfully ignorant, low information voter demographic......

Next?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by defenseman

The same way someone rationalizes voting for a senator...errr...lawyer whose got no record, spent the last two yrs as a senator running for president and has never governed anything in his entire life...yes...that's your obama.....Mr. "I vote present".........get a clue pal......dman

*Worthless thread....

Or you could say one of the most intelligent people to ever run for president, a dedicated attorney who could have chosen any job in law on Earth after serving as the first black president of the law review of the most prestigious university in the U.S., but chose instead to return to his community and help the less fortunate while simultaneously teaching young Americans about the beauty of our Constitution, and who also served as a Senator in his state and then moved on to become a Senator in the U.S. Senate, the greatest legislative body in history.

Just depends on how you want to spin it to serve your own purposes.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

OK - now that we've heard from the willfully ignorant, low information voter demographic......

Next?

.... I dont think that was the Message dip**** wanted to convey

[Rigs11]

pow

[ScottXray]

Biff! BAM!

Yeah...I liked that corny old Batman series too... what's it got to do with voting?

[Rigs11]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

Biff! BAM!

Yeah...I liked that corny old Batman series too... what's it got to do with voting?

Ok that was some funny shet

[Drek]

Originally Posted by defenseman

The same way someone rationalizes voting for a senator...errr...lawyer whose got no record, spent the last two yrs as a senator running for president and has never governed anything in his entire life...yes...that's your obama.....Mr. "I vote present".........get a clue pal......dman

*Worthless thread....

Weak effort.

Why not answer the question instead of deflecting? It was real simple. McCain isn't conclusively for anything, he changes his stances time and time again. Opposes economic regulation, not calling for more regulation. Opposed overturning Roe V. Wade, now saying he would, etc. etc.. So what are you voting for other than a POW story and a (R) following his name?

[Odysseus]

I would really like to know the honest answer to this one.

[ak1971]

If you vote McCain in, and the congress is Democrat, we have gridlock. This should be the most positive for the dollar, as nothing will get done, and be the least wasteful spending IMHO.

[ScottXray]

Except whoever gets in will pick at least 2 Supreme Court Justices!

McCain would appoint super conservative right wing guys that will overturn Roe v Wade as soon as it can be brought up, impose the Republican version of the Free Market rules and set the country up for 30 years of BS before they could be thrown out. Not to mention the lower court appointments that
Set the whole system up to support that kind of interpretation.

Palin would appoint even WORSE. And McCain probably won't make it through his term.

The Religious right would be ecstatic...she could push the button and bring on the Rapture with one simple act.

I don't really think McCain is even truly religious...he just says what he needs to get elected. But Palin scares me....It would be the equivalent of the ayatollah taking over Iran.


Religion has NO place in governent.....Look what its done to the Middle East.

[ak1971]

listen..Ive said it here ad nauseum...Im going to thrive regardless who is in office..and every one else cando so as well.

[ScottXray]

Originally Posted by ak1971

listen..Ive said it here ad nauseum...Im going to thrive regardless who is in office..and every one else cando so as well.

Nobody thrives in a Nuclear winter. Just saying!

Gordon Gecko wasn't right....Greed is not Good.

Actually, what really ticks me off about Bush/ Cheney and his cronies is that they think they are going to get a way with all the BS and crap they have pulled over the last 8 years. And It REALLY pisses me off that they probably will, especially if McCain gets elected. And it REALLY REALLY pisses me off that the country I was raised to believe in, the rights of man, and the constitution, and the fact that the United States of America actually used to STAND for something, are no more than snappy slogans used to fool the voters into supporting one candidate or the other.
The election has been turned into "Survivor, lie, cheat, steal" by the mass media. Sound bites and Oprah interviews.

Anyway , I 'm pissed and I want someones head on a platter, starting with W, and working down the line. Not gonna get it, so the best I can do is try to screw his party over best I can.

[ak1971]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

Nobody thrives in a Nuclear winter. Just saying!

Gordon Gecko wasn't right....Greed is not Good.

Actually, what really ticks me off about Bush/ Cheney and his cronies is that they think they are going to get a way with all the BS and crap they have pulled over the last 8 years. And It REALLY pisses me off that they probably will, especially if McCain gets elected. And it REALLY REALLY pisses me off that the country I was raised to believe in, the rights of man, and the constitution, and the fact that the United States of America actually used to STAND for something, are no more than snappy slogans used to fool the voters into supporting one candidate or the other.
The election has been turned into "Survivor, lie, cheat, steal" by the mass media. Sound bites and Oprah interviews.

Anyway , I 'm pissed and I want someones head on a platter, starting with W, and working down the line. Not gonna get it, so the best I can do is try to screw his party over best I can.

its not going to be nuclear winter..and sometimes greed can be good in the correct format. What the problem IMHO in this country of ours ,is that people cannot disagree with someone without hating them. There are a number of people on this board whom I could not be more polar opposites with on political issues, but guess what ;I have shared other ideas, and they have changed my opinions on somethings, solidified them on others. A few people here who I have met in person I would consider friends and we couldnt be more different. Until people stop seeing in country politics as war, we have issues.

[W*GS]

It cannot be rationalized away. Don't vote for the prick.

[BroncoBuff]

I watched the chuggers game at Fox Sports Grill with two doctors who relocated here from Denver recently. They told me malignant melanoma is especially nasty, and that they are absolutely certain it will recur at some point. The fourth time is definite4ly not the last, they were certain of it, and one was an oncologist. He said it never goes away.

Plus, you know how the presidency ages guys? GW looks 20 years older now than in 2000 ... now imagine McCain

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

I watched the chuggers game at Fox Sports Grill with two doctors who relocated here from Denver recently. They told me malignant melanoma is especially nasty, and that they are absolutely certain it will recur at some point. The fourth time is definite4ly not the last, they were certain of it, and one was an oncologist. He said it never goes away.

Plus, you know how the presidency ages guys? GW looks 20 years older now than in 2000 ... now imagine McCain

The GOP likes to place empty suits in the oval office - not leaders.

Mindless puppets they can control, e.g., Reagan, Dubya, and now Caribou Barbie.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were counting on Turtle Head not finishing his first term.

[ScottXray]

Originally Posted by ak1971

its not going to be nuclear winter..and sometimes greed can be good in the correct format. What the problem IMHO in this country of ours ,is that people cannot disagree with someone without hating them. There are a number of people on this board whom I could not be more polar opposites with on political issues, but guess what ;I have shared other ideas, and they have changed my opinions on somethings, solidified them on others. A few people here who I have met in person I would consider friends and we couldnt be more different. Until people stop seeing in country politics as war, we have issues.

Hell , I don't hate McCain. I actually like some of his ideas, although not many. If he actually MEANT to cut spending and cut the fat out without HURTING people much I might have supported him. The problem is he NEVER has supported those things in the past. He flips on his stand on things almost daily, and the John McCain that he says he is disappeared about 8 years ago...POOF. Now today he says we need to regulate Wall street, yet he supported deregulation yesterday. As of NOW there isn't a THING that he can be trusted to do, and a lot that makes me nervous about what he will do. He has flipped on so many issues lately I don't think even HE knows what he is for anymore.

And I also don't "hate" the Republicans that post here either. I try never to insult or denigrate others, although I called someone an idiot , the other day.
I try to post facts as I see them, just as many here do.

We are all passionate about the course of our country, and when others make points about one candidate or another I try to listen. And valid points are made on both sides. In my opinion though , the balance sheet has to be weighed heavily to the results which are affecting us all, and the Republicans come up lacking a lot more than the Dems. I also care DEEPLY about the constitution and the rule of LAW, and I am insulted that the other side refuses to see the damage that Bushes administration has done to those things. Neither side is perfect, but the Dems at least try most of the time.

And Wags , which prick are you talking about? I know you say both are bad choices , but if forced to choose from the two, and ONLY them , which would YOU choose? And please don't run out your standard answer about not voting for them....treat this as a hypothetical no other choice available scenario.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

How Can Voting for McCain be Rationalized?

[ak1971]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

And Wags , which prick are you talking about? I know you say both are bad choices , but if forced to choose from the two, and ONLY them , which would YOU choose? And please don't run out your standard answer about not voting for them....treat this as a hypothetical no other choice available scenario.

exactly you cant be a good egg forever you either hatch or you rot

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by ScottXray

And Wags , which prick are you talking about?

McCain.

Originally Posted by ScottXray

I know you say both are bad choices , but if forced to choose from the two, and ONLY them , which would YOU choose? And please don't run out your standard answer about not voting for them....treat this as a hypothetical no other choice available scenario.

I cannot in good conscience vote for either.

If you put a gun to my head and demand I pick one - I wouldn't. I'd kick your ass.

[ScottXray]

Okay... about what I expected.

[W*GS]

So why did you ask?

Why vote for the evil of two lessers? Why be co-opted?

[ScottXray]

I was wondering if you would commit. You gave your standard answer.
We discussed this a couple years ago, and not much is different. You see things in absolutes, as far as it goes, and find both unacceptable. Your right
to do as you please, its your vote.