Biden Apparently Doesnt Want To Be Vp

[socalorado]

Not good, guys. This will be hard to spin for the DEMS and leaves obama yet again with another grenade from ol joe.
I swear, does the obama camp even have advisors?!?!
These 2 keep falling into these traps, and its their own mouths that get them there!
Why do they say things like this?
Un-freaking-real!
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/
September 10, 2008
Biden: Hillary might have been better VP pick
Posted: 08:00 PM ET

From CNN Political Producer Alexander Marquardt


Biden campaigned in New Hampshire Wednesday.
NASHUA, New Hampshire (CNN) — Joe Biden told supporters at a town hall Wednesday afternoon that Barack Obama might have been better off choosing Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

“Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let’s get that straight,” Biden said testily when a voter told Biden he was glad the Delaware senator had been chosen and not Clinton.

Watch: Biden opens up about death of first wife

“She’s a truly close personal friend and she is qualified to be President of the United States of America, she’s easily qualified to be Vice President of the United States of America and quite frankly it might have been a better pick than me,” he continued.

"I mean that sincerely, she’s first rate.”

iReport.com: Calling Clinton supporters — What do you think?

After dropping out of the presidential race in January, Biden refrained from endorsing either Obama or Clinton — unlike most of the other Democratic contenders who followed. He told donors at a fundraiser in Boston Wednesday morning that after his withdrawal, Obama asked for his support but Biden declined because of his relationship with Clinton.


Heres the spin.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/09...r-pick-for-vp/

Biden: Hillary Clinton ‘Might Have Been a Better Pick’ for VP
by FOXNews.com
Wednesday, September 10, 2008


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Joe Biden said Wednesday that Hillary Clinton “might have been a better pick than me” to be Barack Obama’s running mate.

The Delaware senator was responding to an audience member at a town hall meeting in Nashua, N.H., who criticized Clinton and said it’s a good thing Obama chose Biden over her.

“Make no mistake about this, Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Lets get that straight,” Biden said in Clinton’s defense.

“She’s easily qualified to be vice president … and quite frankly, might have been a better pick than me. But she’s first rate. I mean that sincerely. She is first rate. So let’s get that straight,” he said.

The comment comes after Clinton tried to assuage tensions last month at the Democratic National Convention between the Obama campaign and her supporters — disenchanted over her primary loss and her absence on the Democratic ticket.

John McCain spokesman Ben Porritt within minutes sent around an e-mail saying the choice of Biden was Obama’s “most important decision of this election.” The e-mail then skewers Biden for suggesting “that he wasn’t the right man for the job and that Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice.”

It was the latest shot in a spate of political crossfire between the two presidential campaigns. Biden earlier in the day compared McCain’s attacks on Obama to the attacks McCain faced during the 2000 White House race — when Biden rose to McCain’s defense.

Addressing an audience of about 300 political donors in Boston, the Delaware senator said he would respond forcefully to anyone attacking Obama in the manner of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, the group that questioned Democrat John Kerry’s military record during the 2004 campaign.

“Swiftboating is not going to work this time. And the reason it’s not is, No. 1, I’m going to smack ‘em right square in the chops,” Biden said.

Biden did not get into specifics, but a spokesman said he was referring to a new McCain ad suggesting the Illinois senator supported sex education for kindergartners, as well as a recent ad from a McCain fundraiser that linked Obama to 1960s radical William Ayers.

Biden: Hillary a Better Pick Than Me
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalra...hillary-a.html
ABC News' Matthew Jaffe reports: Sen. Barack Obama's, D-Ill., vice presidential nominee, Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del., Wednesday said that Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-N.Y., might have been a better pick for the position than him.

At a rally in Nashua, N.H., a man in the audience told Biden how glad he was that Obama picked him over Hillary, "not because she's a woman, but because, look at the things she did in the past."

"Make no mistake about this," Biden responded. "Hillary Clinton is as qualified or more qualified than I am to be vice president of the United States of America. Let’s get that straight. She’s a truly close personal friend, she is qualified to be president of the United States of America, she’s easily qualified to be vice president of the United States of America, and quite frankly, it might have been a better pick than me. But she’s first rate, I mean that sincerely, she’s first rate, so let’s get that straight."

Spokesman Ben Porritt offered this response from the McCain camp: "Barack Obama’s most important decision of this election, and Biden -- the candidate he selects -- suggests, himself, that he wasn’t the right man for the job, and that Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice. Biden certainly has a credible viewpoint on this."

[socalorado]

Autumn Angst: Dems fret about Obama By DAVID PAUL KUHN & BILL NICHOLS | 9/10/08 7:31 PM EST Text Size:

Polls showing McCain tied or even ahead of Obama are stirring angst among some of the Democratic Party’s most experienced operatives. Photo: AP Polls showing John McCain tied or even ahead of Barack Obama are stirring angst and second-guessing among some of the Democratic Party’s most experienced operatives, who worry that Obama squandered opportunities over the summer and may still be underestimating his challenges this fall. “It’s more than an increased anxiety,” said Doug Schoen, who worked as one of Bill Clinton’s lead pollsters during his 1996 reelection and has worked for both Democrats and independents in recent years. “It’s a palpable frustration. Deep-seated unease in the sense that the message has gotten away from them.” Joe Trippi, a consultant behind Howard Dean’s flash-in-the-pan presidential campaign in 2004 and John Edwards’ race in 2008, said the Obama campaign was slow to recognize how the selection of Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin as McCain’s running mate would change the dynamic of the race. “They were set up to run ‘experience versus change,’ what they had run [against Hillary] Clinton,” Trippi said. “And I think Palin clearly moved that to be change or reform, versus change. They are adjusting to that and that threw them off balance a little bit.” A major Democratic fundraiser described it a good bit more starkly after digesting the polls of recent days: “I’m so depressed. It’s happening again. It’s a nightmare.” Adding to Democratic restlessness, McCain has largely neutralized some issue advantages that have long favored Democrats. This week’s USA Today/Gallup poll reported a split on which candidate “can better handle the economy”; 48 percent chose Obama while 45 percent said McCain. In late August, Obama had a 16-point edge on the issue. Also this week, an ABC News/Washington Post poll reported that when voters are asked “who can bring about needed change to Washington,” McCain still trails Obama by 12 points. But in June, McCain trailed by 32 points. That shift in the public’s perception of the issues, in Democratic pollster Celinda Lake’s words, “tremendously concerns me.” Lake joined other Democratic veterans, some speaking not for attribution, in emphasizing a classic liberal woe: that the Democrat let the Republican define him. See Also Palin's earmarks: Not just for the halibut Palin team stocked with Bush veterans Could Clinton have Palin-proofed Dems? “Obama needed to define himself,” Lake said. “I do think that during the Democratic convention we should have done a better job of defining McCain.” Steve Rosenthal, a veteran field organizer for Democrats and organized labor, said that some entrenched Democratic vulnerabilities never receded this year. And in his view, Palin has reawakened those liberal weaknesses. “For some white, working-class voters who don’t want to vote for Barack Obama but weren’t sure about McCain, Palin gave them a good reason to take another look and consider supporting McCain,” Rosenthal said. “On the one hand, it could be a temporary reshuffling of the deck,” he added. “And on the other hand, it underscores the deep-seated problems we have in this race with race, class and culture.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13357.html

[socalorado]

Sep 10, 2008 8:42 pm US/Eastern
Obama On Letterman: 'McCain Policy Is The Pig'

Presidential Hopeful Says Media Took His Words And Ran; Defends Bush Policies On Afghanistan, AIDS In Africa

NEW YORK (CBS) ― Presidential hopeful Barack Obama appeared on the "Late Show with David Letterman" in New York on Wednesday after a day of heated debate by media and political pundits over comments some took as a slam against Republican vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin.

Obama spent much of his visit talking about Palin and clarifying his earlier comments.

"This is sort of silly season in politics, not that there's a non-silly season, but it gets sillier," Obama said. "And it's a common expression in at least Illinois. I don't know about New York City. I don't know what you put lipstick on here."

Obama said to him the expression "lipstick on a pig" in this case applies to having a bad idea and trying to pass it off as change.

"Just calling [ideas] change, calling them different doesn't make it better, hence lipstick on a pig," Obama said.

He then clarified his statements even more.

"Keep in mind, technically, had I meant it this way, [Palin] would be the lipstick. The failed policies of John McCain would be the pig, just following the logic of this illogical situation," Obama said.

Earlier in the day, Obama accused Republican McCain's campaign of using "lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics" in claiming he used a sexist comment against Palin.

Calling it "the latest made-up controversy by the John McCain campaign," Obama responded to the Republicans' charge that he was referring to Palin when he used the phrase "lipstick on a pig" at a campaign stop Tuesday.

"I don't care what they say about me. But I love this country too much to let them take over another election with lies and phony outrage and Swift-boat politics. Enough is enough," he said.

During his visit with Letterman, Obama talked about visiting Disneyland, boyhood memories, joking with his 87-year-old grandmother and embarrassing his daughters on their first day back to school.

Obama said his grandmother's reaction when he won the nomination was pretty simple: "That's nice, that's nice."

Obama praised President George W. Bush's efforts to send aid to countries in Africa. Obama, whose father was Kenyan, visited the African country in 2007.

"People there are more energetic and optimistic than you could possibly imagine," said Obama.

Regarding rumors of former president Bill Clinton's future as part of an Obama administration cabinet, the senator downplayed that possibility.

"If you're a former president, I don't think you settle for a cabinet position," he said. "It's sort of like Mickey Mantle playing AAA (baseball).

"There's nobody smarter in politics," Obama said of Bill Clinton. "I think he can be a great advocate for the campaign."
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http://wcbstv.com/campaign08/barack.....2.814491.html

[Rigs11]

Here's some more spin. I guess only dems can say stupid things right?

McCain Manager: 'This Election is Not About Issues'

UPDATE, 6:18 pm: In reaction to Rick Davis' comments about the election not being about issues, Barack Obama campaign manager David Plouffe released the following statement: "We appreciate Senator McCain's campaign manager finally admitting that his campaign is not in fact about the issues the American people care about, which is exactly the kind of cynical old politics people are ready to change."

ORIGINAL POST

Rick Davis, campaign manager for John McCain's presidential bid, insisted that the presidential race will be decided more over personalities than issues during an interview with Post editors this morning.

"This election is not about issues," said Davis. "This election is about a composite view of what people take away from these candidates."

Davis added that issues will no doubt play a major role in the decisions undecided voters will make but that they won't ultimately be conclusive. He added that the campaign has "ultimate faith" in the idea that the more voters get to know McCain and Barack Obama, the better the Republican nominee will do.

Davis generally dismissed the controversies surrounding McCain's vice presidential pick -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin -- as a media creation but did acknowledge that her acceptance speech, which seems likely to come tomorrow, is critically important to defining who she is to the American public.

As for the speech itself, Davis said a generic, "masculine" speech was being prepared before the pick was made and, now that Palin is the choice, she is adapting the speech to her own needs and personality.

Davis demurred when asked when Palin will sit for interviews with major news organizations, pointing out that now would not be the right time given the "combative" attitude the media has seemingly adopted toward Palin. Pressed on the issue, Davis insisted that "we allot a lot more access in our campaign than any campaign in modern political history....we'll get around to it."

On the general election playing field, Davis alleged that Obama had tried -- and failed -- to expand the political map, and that 11 or 12 states (and maybe as many as 13) would be truly competitive. He added that campaign operatives are feeling better than they did a month ago about Iowa and Minnesota and believe their prospects have not dimmed in any competitive state during that time.

Davis did admit, however, the challenges of running for president as a Republican in this political atmosphere.

"We are in the worst Republican environment since Nixon in 1972," said Davis. "We take that seriously. We get the joke."

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/the...lection_i.html

[Spider]

meh ......... seriously grasping .....

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Jesus, could your thread title be any more misleading?

(But I guess that's just what republicans do.)

[socalorado]

Guys (obama supporters) i swear, i feel for you, really i do, but i just dont get this. Un freakin real!

obama and his VP have fallen right into these traps and i just dont think they will recover. I cannot believe obama or biden would do this. or be advised to do this. Its like they are trying to lose now!

I really think they are trying to just give it to hillary in some weird scheme to get out of it.

This is soooo freakin weird

[Spider]

Originally Posted by socalorado

Guys (obama supporters) i swear, i feel for you, really i do, but i just dont get this. Un freakin real!

obama and his VP have fallen right into these traps and i just dont think they will recover. I cannot believe obama or biden would do this. or be advised to do this. Its like they are trying to lose now!

I really think they are trying to just give it to hillary in some weird scheme to get out of it.

This is soooo freakin weird

... yeah ....I appreciate you fellin for me I really do , Iam hurting real bad right now .... Ok I am over it ..Whew close one

[socalorado]

I am really amazed. Just flat out amazed that obama supporters cant see this as bad.
I mean this is bad. Theres no way to spin this.

Spokesman Ben Porritt offered this response from the McCain camp: "Barack Obama’s most important decision of this election, and Biden -- the candidate he selects -- suggests, himself, that he wasn’t the right man for the job, and that Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice. Biden certainly has a credible viewpoint on this."

WHY does obama leave himself open to these horrid attacks!?!?!
I cannot believe that they would do this!??!!?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Jesus, could your thread title be any more misleading?

(But I guess that's just what republicans do.)

Desperate times call for desperate measures

[socalorado]

This cant be spinned as a good thing guys.

McCain Poll Surge, Fundraising Give Democrats Election Jitters

By Heidi Przybyla



Sept. 10 (Bloomberg) -- Democrats are beginning to worry about losing the presidential election.
After months of leading in voter enthusiasm, fundraising and most surveys, Barack Obama lost momentum to John McCain after the Republican convention last week. McCain has gotten a boost from his pick of Alaska Governor Sarah Palin as his running mate and has surged ahead of Obama in some national polls, while running even in others.
Arizona Senator McCain, 72, is drawing larger crowds to his rallies than ever before. Illinois Senator Obama's campaign, meanwhile, may struggle to keep up the record fundraising pace it has maintained all year.
The campaign's ``novelty has worn off,'' said Representative Bill Pascrell, a New Jersey Democrat. The Obama campaign ``seems to have lost its speed, its response time.''
Republicans used their St. Paul, Minnesota, convention to focus attention on McCain's personal character and leadership qualities, and highlight his independence from President George W. Bush. The message was reinforced by the selection of Palin, who was presented as a reformer who fought oil companies and took on her party in Alaska.
`Best Week'
This has allowed the Republicans to have ``their best week in four years,'' said Representative Artur Davis, an Alabama Democrat. ``McCain is the one Republican who could have been competitive this year because John McCain does his own brand independent of George Bush.''
With Palin, 44, joining him on the stump, McCain came out of his party's convention ``with an energized base,'' said House Democratic Caucus Chairman Rahm Emanuel of Illinois.
In recent days, McCain and Palin have appeared before crowds ranging from 3,000 to 10,000 or more. Yesterday, about 6,000 turned out to see the Republican ticket in Lebanon, Ohio. Prior to the convention, McCain typically appeared at town-hall meetings -- his preferred venue for campaigning -- of about 300 attendees.
McCain's choice of Palin ``allowed the McCain campaign to change the narrative away from McCain being an extension of Bush,'' said Democratic strategist Jenny Backus.
The McCain campaign said donations have been pouring in since the convention, allowing the Republican to narrow, if not eliminate, Obama's longstanding financial advantage. This week, a fundraiser in Chicago, Obama's hometown, yielded $5 million.
Economy, Health Care
Democrats said Obama can respond by capitalizing on his significant lead on issues, particularly the economy and health care, including among many independents who have become the chief target of both campaigns now that the candidates have locked in their parties' nominations.
McCain ``planted his flag strictly off of biography,'' said Bill Buck, a Democratic strategist who has worked on several presidential campaigns. Obama and Democratic vice presidential candidate Joe Biden ``are going to have to be very on-message and push the debate back to the economy.''
Obama, 47, has already adopted a more aggressive tone, going after McCain and Palin and characterizing them as allies of the Bush administration status quo.
The candidate mentioned McCain by name 19 times during a 24-minute speech in Flint, Michigan, on Sept. 8. He focused on the economy and education, areas where he said the Republicans offer nothing new.
Palin and McCain, he said, are trying to ``repackage'' themselves as agents of change.
`Reinvent Yourself'
``I mean you can't just make stuff up,'' he told a crowd of 325. ``You can't just reinvent yourself. The American people aren't stupid.''
The campaign also released a new ad this week saying Palin and McCain are ``anything but'' the mavericks they claim to be, and is portraying McCain's surge in the polls as a short-term blip.
``After our convention, we had a bump; after theirs, they get a bump,'' Obama said in Ohio yesterday. ``What we're going to have to do is to see how things settle out over the next few weeks when people start examining who's actually going to deliver on the issues that people care about.''
Still, Obama campaign manager David Plouffe acknowledged McCain's gains may be more lasting.
``The Republican brand has improved a little bit,'' Plouffe said Sept. 8. ``This is going to be a close race. John McCain had some strength with independent voters that some of their other nominees wouldn't have had.''
Thomas Rick, an independent voter from Valparaiso, Indiana, demonstrates why Obama's advantage has been evaporating.
`Ordinary People'
Rick, a 64-year-old prison chaplain, had been concerned about McCain's closeness to Bush before the Republican convention. He said the candidate's Sept. 4 speech convinced him McCain has integrity and Palin ``identifies with ordinary citizens.''
Democrats said a series of economic reports expected in the coming weeks would help Obama refocus the public's attention away from McCain and Palin and their personal biographies and back to the struggling economy.
``Their strategy was fine for a convention period,'' Buck said. ``The problem for them is that we're moving into the debate phase and I believe that the Republicans have left themselves with a strategic weakness.''
Senator Max Baucus, a Montana Democrat, said his party could regain the advantage as quickly as the Republicans had.
``In politics, a week is a long time,'' Baucus said. ``A lot can happen.''
To contact the reporters on this story: Heidi Przybyla in Washington at hprzybyla@bloomberg.net
Last Updated: September 10, 2008 00:01 EDT

[Spider]

Originally Posted by socalorado

I am really amazed. Just flat out amazed that obama supporters cant see this as bad.
I mean this is bad. Theres no way to spin this.

Spokesman Ben Porritt offered this response from the McCain camp: "Barack Obama’s most important decision of this election, and Biden -- the candidate he selects -- suggests, himself, that he wasn’t the right man for the job, and that Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice. Biden certainly has a credible viewpoint on this."

WHY does obama leave himself open to these horrid attacks!?!?!
I cannot believe that they would do this!??!!?

and if he said he was the best choice , you would be here telling us he is a cocky son of a b**** and that will piss the common man off ........ right now dude your cred is falling , almost to the point you will get added to the best melt down poll

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Spider

Desperate times call for desperate measures

Yep.

They are stocking up on lipstick and pigs.

[TheDave]

Yawn...

[Spider]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Yep.

They are stocking up on lipstick and pigs.

, the Dave was right , they are like Raider fans ... not one debate yet , and they are claiming the sky is falling for us ..... in 2 weeks this **** wont matter .... just masturbation for the right

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Spider

and if he said he was the best choice , you would be here telling us he is a cocky son of a b**** and that will piss the common man off ........ right now dude your cred is falling , almost to the point you will get added to the best melt down poll

Nah - he doesn't get "emotional" about any of this stuff.

It's all just infotainment to him.

He couldn't give a sh*t less about what happens to America.

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by Spider

, the Dave was right , they are like Raider fans ... not one debate yet , and they are claiming the sky is falling for us ..... in 2 weeks this **** wont matter .... just masturbation for the right

Just keep that picture in mind of Raider Fan face painting gettin ready for Monday night...


Hopefully we will be able to keep this thing competitive...

[socalorado]

Originally Posted by Spider

and if he said he was the best choice , you would be here telling us he is a cocky son of a b**** and that will piss the common man off ........ right now dude your cred is falling , almost to the point you will get added to the best melt down poll

Of course i wouldnt say that! Why would I say that!?!?!
When do i give either of these dems a hard time!??!?
I never have said anything rude or mean-spirited about these guys!!
I dont agree with their politics in some cases, or some of obamas background, but i dont treat them like some posters here treat me.
Cmon!
Gimme a break!
I have been watching this thing closely ( like you guys) for a while now, and i am utterly amazed that the DEMS are falling right into the traps that are set every 4 years for them. I am just freakin amazed!

Instead of discussing the real issues, obama and biden have made some of the biggests gaffes of the entire election in just the last few days.
I just cant believe they would do this!

[Spider]

Originally Posted by TheDave

Just keep that picture in mind of Raider Fan face painting gettin ready for Monday night...


Hopefully we will be able to keep this thing competitive...

will do

[Spider]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Nah - he doesn't get "emotional" about any of this stuff.

It's all just infotainment to him.

He couldn't give a sh*t less about what happens to America.

He will

[Bronco Bob]

SPIN SPIN SPIN. Somebody in the audience criticizes Hillary.

The Delaware senator was responding to an audience member at a town hall meeting in Nashua, N.H., who criticized Clinton and said it’s a good thing Obama chose Biden over her.

Biden sticks up for Hillary. And all of a sudden the righties claim
that not only doesn't Biden want to be VP, but that Obama
has second thoughts about being POTUS.

BTW, interesting links. You should click on them and read them while you are at it.

See Also

• Palin's earmarks: Not just for the halibut
• Palin team stocked with Bush veterans

So much for
1. Palin being a reformer
2. McCain isn't a Bush clone.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

SPIN SPIN SPIN. Somebody in the audience criticizes Hillary.



Biden sticks up for Hillary. And all of a sudden the righties claim
that not only doesn't Biden want to be VP, but that Obama
has second thoughts about being POTUS.

BTW, interesting links. You should click on them and read them while you are at it.

So much for
1. Palin being a reformer
2. McCain isn't a Bush clone.

Oooops!

[Spider]

Originally Posted by socalorado

Of course i wouldnt say that! Why would I say that!?!?!
When do i give either of these dems a hard time!??!?
I never have said anything rude or mean-spirited about these guys!!
I dont agree with their politics in some cases, or some of obamas background, but i dont treat them like some posters here treat me.
Cmon!
Gimme a break!
I have been watching this thing closely ( like you guys) for a while now, and i am utterly amazed that the DEMS are falling right into the traps that are set every 4 years for them. I am just freakin amazed!

Instead of discussing the real issues, obama and biden have made some of the biggests gaffes of the entire election in just the last few days.
I just cant believe they would do this!

, there is more then one tactic , traps for example , they dont mean **** , specially before the debates , always been that way , right now this is just fodder for the media and lame brain fools ......
we both know if Fox put out Bidden extremely cocky , you would be in here claiming he fell into a trap ...... as many found out here , it is damn hard to bull**** me

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

SPIN SPIN SPIN. Somebody in the audience criticizes Hillary.



Biden sticks up for Hillary. And all of a sudden the righties claim
that not only doesn't Biden want to be VP, but that Obama
has second thoughts about being POTUS.

BTW, interesting links. You should click on them and read them while you are at it.



So much for
1. Palin being a reformer
2. McCain isn't a Bush clone.

And if he said he was better than her it would of been labled sexist... Let them keep cryin' wolf

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

SPIN SPIN SPIN. Somebody in the audience criticizes Hillary.



Biden sticks up for Hillary. And all of a sudden the righties claim
that not only doesn't Biden want to be VP, but that Obama
has second thoughts about being POTUS.

BTW, interesting links. You should click on them and read them while you are at it.



So much for
1. Palin being a reformer
2. McCain isn't a Bush clone.

this is why he is having a hard time convincing me he isnt a deep rooted right wing guy ........