Obama calls McCain and Palin Pigs and says they stink.

[Garcia Bronco]

Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin's new "change" mantra.

"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."

"We've had enough of the same old thing."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmi..._on_a_pig.html

[TheDave]

Sounds about right...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Yep.

Except for the "Obama called McCain and Palin 'pigs'" part.

Looks like Garcia doesn't understand what a "figure of speech" is.

[frerottenextelway]

From Garcia's link

Obama: 'Lipstick on a pig'

Amie Parnes reports from Lebanon, VA:

Obama poked fun of McCain and Palin's new "change" mantra.

"You can put lipstick on a pig," he said as the crowd cheered. "It's still a pig."

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called change. It's still gonna stink."

"We've had enough of the same old thing."

The crowd apparently took the "lipstick" line as a reference to Palin, who described the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull in a single word: "lipstick."

UPDATE: The McCain campaign is now saying Obama called Palin a pig, which he didn't. The Obama campaign notes that "lipstick on a pig" is a fairly common idiom Obama often uses, as in a recent Washington Post interview. McCain has also used the phrase.

Though on a day when Obama's surrogates were joking that Palin's record can't be concealed with lipstick, it was hard for those following the campaign not to hear the echo.

UPDATE: Obama aide Anita Dunn responds to the McCain campaign's claim that Obama compared Palin to a pig:

Enough is enough. The McCain campaign’s attack tonight is a pathetic attempt to play the gender card about the use of a common analogy – the same analogy that Senator McCain himself used about Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton’s health care plan just last year. This phony lecture on gender sensitivity is the height of cynicism and lays bare the increasingly dishonorable campaign John McCain has chosen to run.

Just to be clear Garcia, you're a liar.

Edit: Bonus Video

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by TheDave

Sounds about right...

I see you are suffering from the same thing obama is....lack of class syndrome....appears to be spreading like wildfire amongst the lefties....careful...you don't want to catch it too bad...dman

[Rigs11]

Originally Posted by defenseman

I see you are suffering from the same thing obama is....lack of class syndrome....appears to be spreading like wildfire amongst the lefties....careful...you don't want to catch it too bad...dman

Yeah right.Do all the repubs live in some sort of dimensional bizzarro world or only the ones with low IQs? How you can come in here and blame the left for being classless is retarded at best.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by defenseman

I see you are suffering from the same thing obama is....lack of class syndrome....appears to be spreading like wildfire amongst the lefties....careful...you don't want to catch it too bad...dman

Really? What kind of class is that? The class of Palin lying over and over again to the American people, day after day, even when the press has called her on it (including the WSJ)? The class of McCain telling the people how opposed to lobbyists he is while his two closest advisors are two of the biggest lobbyists on Capitol Hill? Hell, one of them lobbied in our government for favors for a terrorist? Is that who you support?

Or maybe you support the class of the new ad that attempts to smear Obama with pure lies. That's the class you believe in?

[frerottenextelway]

I think maybe the Obama camp baited McCain into this - rumor floating around is besides McCain's exact identical quote, this leads the way for a 527 running McCain's ''Chelsea is ugly'' comment in a national ad.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...ish-debat.html

Last October, asked about Sen. Hillary Clinton's health care plan, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., was blunt.

McCain said Clinton's proposal was "eerily" similar to the ill-fated plan she devised in 1993,

"I think they put some lipstick on a pig," he said, "but it’s still a pig."

A common expression, right?

McCain surely wasn't calling Clinton a pig.

After all, McCain's former press secretary, Torie Clarke, wrote a book called "Lipstick on a Pig: Winning in the No-Spin Era."

Elizabeth Edwards told some health journalists that McCain's health care plan was like "painting lipstick on a pig."

Tonight Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., said of McCain painting himself as a change agent, "You know, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig."

The crowd rose and applauded.

(Some of them no doubt were thinking he may have been in some way alluding to Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's ad lib during her vice presidential nomination acceptance speech last week, "What's the difference between a hockey mom and a pit bull? Lipstick.")

"You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,'" Obama continued, "it's still gonna stink after eight years. We’ve had enough of the same old thing! It’s time to bring about real change to Washington. And that’s the choice you’ve got in this election."

Obama's campaign insisted that he was not alluding to Palin at all.

"That expression is older than my grandfather's grandfather," said Obama campaign spox Jen Psaki, "and it means that you can dress something up but it doesn't change what it is. He was talking pretty clearly about the fact that you can't just call yourself change when you've voted with George Bush 90% of time."

Obama has used the expression before. Last September, around the time McCain said it about Clinton's health care plan.

"I think that both General Petraeus and Ambassador Crocker are capable people who have been given an impossible assignment,' Sen. Barack Obama said yesterday in a telephone interview. "George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig."

Why should anyone believe McCain didn't mean it about Hillary Clinton, but Obama meant it about Palin?

And yet, the inaugural conference call of what the McCain-Palin campaign is calling the "Palin Truth Squad" addressed Obama's remark.

And interestingly, the Truth Squad call was full of half-truths and statements that weren't true at all.

Speaking on behalf of the McCain campaign, former Massachusetts Gov. Jane Swift tonight flatly stated that Obama had called Gov. Sarah Palin a pig.

"[T]he formation of the Palin Truth Squad couldn't have happened too soon, as we saw when Senator Obama in Lebanon, Virginia this evening uttered what I can only deem to be disgraceful comments comparing our Vice-Presidential nominee Governor Palin to a pig," Swift said.

"Senator Obama owes Governor Palin an apology," she said.

Asked why she was so confident Obama was "comparing" Palin to a pig, she said Palin was the only one of the four candidates on both parties' tickets who wears lipstick.

"She is the only one of the four candidates for president or the only vice presidential candidate who wears lipstick," Swift said. "I mean it seemed to me a very gendered comment."

But, Swift added, if "as part of his apology Senator Obama wants to say no he was calling Senator McCain -- who is a true hero in our country a pig -- then I suppose we could wait en masse for an apology to that as well."

It was pointed out to Gov. Swift that after the line about the pig, Obama had said, "You can wrap an old fish in a piece of paper called 'change,' it's still gonna stink after eight years.

Swift then suggested that Obama was calling McCain a fish.

"I have a fourth grader and two second graders at home," she said. "I would not teach them that this sort of a high minded debate on policy issues when they are calling people rotten old fish or a pig. In fact it sounds a lot like some of the least intelligent debates on the playground sound like at our elementary school."

A reporter then reminded Swift that in December, McCain was asked about criticisms coming his way from then-opponent Gov. Mitt Romney, R-Mass, and McCain replied, "Never get into a wrestling match with a pig. You both get dirty, and the pig likes it."

Was McCain calling Romney a pig? a reporter asked Swift.

Of course not, Swift said.

It seems to me we should have one rule. If Obama was calling Palin a pig, then McCain was calling Hillary Clinton one. If McCain wasn't, then Obama wasn't.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

From Garcia's link



Just to be clear Garcia, you're a liar.

I just posted the article and he has to be careful about what he says. He did infer that she was a pig. I am sorry if that bothers you. There are all types of idioms out there. What if McCain said Obama's campaign was making a Monkey out of the American Voters? Or something of the like.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by defenseman

I see you are suffering from the same thing obama is....lack of class syndrome....appears to be spreading like wildfire amongst the lefties....careful...you don't want to catch it too bad...dman

you Sir have sold out your standards and Morals to support mcCain ...... Just make sure it is something you can live with

[Spider]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

I think maybe the Obama camp baited McCain into this - rumor floating around is besides McCain's exact identical quote, this leads the way for a 527 running McCain's ''Chelsea is ugly'' comment in a national ad.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpu...ish-debat.html

I believe he did ....... Obama isnt your typical Democrat , I posted a piece awhile back where Obama confronted Lieberman on the floor , and went after Lieberman for something he said ........

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

He did infer that she was a pig.

No.

The problem is simply that you aren't familiar with the figure of speech "put lipstick on the pig" which, BTW, Obama has used before.

In any event, Palin directly referred to Obama as "Sambo."

Where is your "outrage" about that (Mr. "I'm not a Republican?")

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

No.

The problem is simply that you aren't familiar with the figure of speech "put lipstick on the pig" which, BTW, Obama has used before.

In any event, Palin directly referred to Obama as "Sambo."

Where is your "outrage" about that (Mr. "I'm not a Republican?")

I am familiar with it. What if McCain said that the Obama Campaign was up to Monkey Business? Then what? It's the same thing. Obama has to learn that there are things you can say and things you can't say.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I just posted the article and he has to be careful about what he says. He did infer that she was a pig.

It's pretty clear from the context that the "pig" was supposed to represent continued bad GOP policy, not Palin's looks.

[frerottenextelway]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I just posted the article and he has to be careful about what he says. He did infer that she was a pig. I am sorry if that bothers you. There are all types of idioms out there. What if McCain said Obama's campaign was making a Monkey out of the American Voters? Or something of the like.

Did McCain call Clinton a ''pig'' when he used the exact same phrase about her health care plan late last year? It's ridiculous - and a lie - sorry if that bothers you.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by BroncoInferno

It's pretty clear from the context that the "pig" was supposed to represent continued bad GOP policy, not Palin's looks.

He was refering to their campaign policy of which they support. He shouldn't have said it. It was classless. Put the shoe on the other foot and it would be just the same.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

I am familiar with it. What if McCain said that the Obama Campaign was up to Monkey Business? Then what? It's the same thing. Obama has to learn that there are things you can say and things you can't say.

No - that would be a figure of speech as well.

However, if we allow your analogy, how is the perceived intent of Obama's remark the equivalent of a racial slur?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

Did McCain call Clinton a ''pig'' when he used the exact same phrase about her health care plan late last year? It's ridiculous - and a lie - sorry if that bothers you.

To say nothing of McCain's remarks about Chelsea Clinton.

I don't hear Garcia scolding McCain and advising him to be careful what he says on that one.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

Did McCain call Clinton a ''pig'' when he used the exact same phrase about her health care plan late last year? It's ridiculous - and a lie - sorry if that bothers you.

If it's a lie then why did you bring it up?

Back to Obama:

If the shoe was on the other foot you'd wage a jihad on everyone you could get to listen. Just admit that Obama shouldn't have said it.

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

No - that would be a figure of speech as well.

However, if we allow your analogy, how is the perceived intent of Obama's remark the equivalent of a racial slur?

Either way it's disrespectful. It's offensive.

[socalorado]

I think it was meant to be a jab at Pailn, but i also think it was a set up.
If mcCain complains he has to deal with the comment he made about Chelsea years ago, which was a shrewd tactic by obama, but! It also could backfire because of the "hockey mom alliance" that has formed and is now running full steam. They wont care about that, and will attack obama where it hurts.
On a side note, it also shows clearly that obama is lost when it comes to defeating this repub ticket. The last person his comments should be aimed at are at palin. It shows a lack of confidence which is his glaring weakness lately. It also shows that SHE is on HIS mind and he clealy does not know how to handle her. He shouldnt be talking about her at all! His comments should be soley directed at McCain, his opposition in this race, and not the "hockey mom". He should treat her for what she is, and he would have much better success. Bidens comments yesterday were pretty bad too.
I think if these guys just left her alone, and went after McCain they would have much better success at getting back into this race.

Again, regardless of who you support or like, the guy/girl who put Palin on the ticket was brilliant. You cant write better drama for TV viewers and they just eat it up! This lady is managing to totally take away all of the heat away from McCain, and direct it to her, and her "britney spears", minor, crap that is to a average viewer, just fun to talk about and watch and discuss and gossip, and shoot the $s!t about, meanwhile McCain just sits back and cruises.
On the other side, obama/biden is just falling right into the trap. instead of attacking the real threat, hes getting caught up in this crap , and being made to look like the mean spirited guys who dislike women. (again the curse of hillary!)
I have been saying this from the moment she was announced, but Palin was a brilliant pick, (NOT BECAUSE SHES QUALIFIED), and so far the DEms are just sinking because of it.
it has nothing to do with policy, it has to do with american culture and the media, and how they form public opinion.
Its amazing, really...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

Just admit that Obama shouldn't have said it.

Just admit that you are confusing a figure of speech with a personal slur.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

If it's a lie then why did you bring it up?

Back to Obama:

If the shoe was on the other foot you'd wage a jihad on everyone you could get to listen. Just admit that Obama shouldn't have said it.

the shoe was on the other foot , find 1 post about anyone declaring Jihad

[Garcia Bronco]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Just admit that you are confusing a figure of speech with a personal slur.

It can be the same. These aren't mutually exclusive.

[BroncoInferno]

Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco

He was refering to their campaign policy of which they support. He shouldn't have said it. It was classless. Put the shoe on the other foot and it would be just the same.

Um, no. He's saying their policy stinks using a funny quote. The Republicans can and do the same sort of thing all the time. What I have issue is when they try to make a funny comment using lies and/or half-truths. Which Obama did not do here.