This ones for Spider! (Obama Flip-flop)

[PaintballCLE]

you always yell at me when i call obama a flip flopper........well here ya go.....CHECKMATE!

[PaintballCLE]

oh wait i forgot.........somehow this must be bush's fault right?

[Spider]

Flip flop or a simple mistake ?

[theAPAOps5]

I could swamp the site with McCain flip flops. So far you found 1 video.

[theAPAOps5]

Embed link didn't work IBOAB.

[PaintballCLE]

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[theAPAOps5]

Sorry thats not a flip flop. He just isn't guaranteeing it. I'll give you the first flip flop but not this one.

Problem with McCain is he voted with Bush 90+ times and then denounces his 8 years. That Flip Flop won't fly with me.

[PaintballCLE]

[Spider]

Originally Posted by I bleed orange and blue

where is the flip flop ? 1 st he said nearly all of the troops , then the 2 nd one , he went more into detail ........ Don see the flip flop there , just a quick answer , then more in depth in the second one .... I would suspect time was more of an issue then a flip flop ....but nice try

[PaintballCLE]

Originally Posted by ApaOps5

Sorry thats not a flip flop. He just isn't guaranteeing it. I'll give you the first flip flop but not this one.

Problem with McCain is he voted with Bush 90+ times and then denounces his 8 years. That Flip Flop won't fly with me.

lol buthe guaranteed it the first time.....in 13 months..........but can't guaratee it in 5 years?

[theAPAOps5]

Originally Posted by I bleed orange and blue

HA selective editing there. Don't be pathetic IBOAB. That last clip flips the comments. Obama didn't denounce that guy until he continued to make remarks.

[PaintballCLE]

This is by far my all time favorite..........how low can you get to say this when it wasn't even remotly true?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by I bleed orange and blue

So whats the issue in this one ? Welfare should be a state issue not a fed one .... are you suggesting the Feds handle welfare ?

[PaintballCLE]

Originally Posted by ApaOps5

HA selective editing there. Don't be pathetic IBOAB. That last clip flips the comments. Obama didn't denounce that guy until he continued to make remarks.

dude im not making this stuff up, im just posting them

[theAPAOps5]

Answer this question IBOAB has McCain NEVER flip flopped.

[PaintballCLE]

Originally Posted by Spider

So whats the issue in this one ? Welfare should be a state issue not a fed one .... are you suggesting the Feds handle welfare ?

Yes welfare should be a fed thing. Why would you make it more advantagous for someone to get welfare in one state over another? I actually agree with ron paul on a lot of stuff.....a lot of stuff shoudl be delegated to the states..........but not stuff that effects everyone the same.

[theAPAOps5]

Originally Posted by I bleed orange and blue

dude im not making this stuff up, im just posting them

Not saying YOU are just saying those have been selectively edited.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by I bleed orange and blue

This is by far my all time favorite..........how low can you get to say this when it wasn't even remotly true?

Don know if it is true or not , but the only proof is Auschwitz stayed in Russian hands is flimsy at best ..........

[Spider]

Originally Posted by I bleed orange and blue

Yes welfare should be a fed thing. Why would you make it more advantagous for someone to get welfare in one state over another? I actually agree with ron paul on a lot of stuff.....a lot of stuff shoudl be delegated to the states..........but not stuff that effects everyone the same.

depends on the states economic health , different cost of living from state to state , for example new York City vs Casper Wyoming , or Denver Colorado vs Omaha Neb ......etc .....I do think the feds should handle alot of stuff , but abortion , Welfare , local laws are state rights issues

[shakenbake]

Can someone explain to me why "flip floping" is such a bad thing? Do I have decide now what I will think 3 years from now and never waiver from that point of view despite how things may have changed. I never understood the whole "flip flop" thing and how it is a bad thing

Don't you want a leader who can judge things based on current information or situation and not be beholden to some ridiculous idea because it was what he thought 3 years ago

[PaintballCLE]

Originally Posted by ApaOps5

Answer this question IBOAB has McCain NEVER flip flopped.

"Has McCain NEVER Flip flopped?" let me guess you went to a public school taught by democrats? You mean Has McCain EVER Flip Flopped HAHA JUST MESSING AROUND Apa don't take that seriously!


Im the first to admit McCain Flip flopped before. BUthere are my 2 points behind it.

1. People make Obama out to be this perfect guy and say Mccain is the flip flopper..........THATS BS........Obama flip flopps way more.......or at the very least they are even. So the dems should quit attacking Mccain on flip flops or its gonna come back to haunt them.........which leads me to point 2.

2. Mccain has flip flopped but we are talking about a span of 8 or more years. People have a change of heart over 8 years. Maybe something changes or a new situation comes about to make them change their mind. OBAMA on the other hand flip flops in a 5 month period. Its one thing to flip flop over 8 years, but 5 months....thats rediculous! That either means he doesnt beleive what he says and just says whatever he wants to make the immediate people happy, or he doesn't know and changes his mind daily. Either way........thats not someone i want to be president!

[PaintballCLE]

Originally Posted by ApaOps5

Not saying YOU are just saying those have been selectively edited.

lol well you were the one calling me pathetic!

[PaintballCLE]

Originally Posted by shakenbake

Can someone explain to me why "flip floping" is such a bad thing? Do I have decide now what I will think 3 years from now and never waiver from that point of view despite how things may have changed. I never understood the whole "flip flop" thing and how it is a bad thing

Don't you want a leader who can judge things based on current information or situation and not be beholden to some ridiculous idea because it was what he thought 3 years ago

exactly.......see my last post. But changing them every 3 weeks instead of 3 years means you are either a liar, or don't know!