To those that was dissing our D - The Orange Mane

Spider · 08-29-2008, 09:47 PM

What say you guys now ?
Probably not much , but i said we didnt know crap until we saw blitz and stunts .......

Atwater His Ass · 08-29-2008, 09:51 PM

Sure you know something. You know how well our guys can handle one-on-one match-ups. Using a Coyer system to blitz to cover up your lack of front 4 push is dangerous.

Spider · 08-29-2008, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

Sure you know something. You know how well our guys can handle one-on-one match-ups. Using a Coyer system to blitz to cover up your lack of front 4 push is dangerous.

oh bull**** , every D line stunts good grief ...... they always have ...... you dont know how strong or weak our front 4 is .... stop pulling **** from your ass

cutthemdown · 08-29-2008, 09:54 PM

I'm still not impressed with play I see from several guys who will be starting on defense. The best thing about this game was how well the bkup oline played and how good the kicking games looks. Either punter will be better then last yr. Praters kicks sail to the endzone everytime. Just the touchbacks could mean 20-30 less points given up this yr.

Who knows maybe Broncos can be a lot better then I originally thought the offense really looks that good.

theAPAOps5 · 08-29-2008, 09:55 PM

Um when you have to resort to stunts and blitz it means you have no DL. Our D is mediocre at best.

Spider · 08-29-2008, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

Um when you have to resort to stunts and blitz it means you have no DL. Our D is mediocre at best.

No , i dont where you get that , Stunts are as old as the 4-3 itself , it isnt a 3-4 where you have a NG dominating .......

CasinoRoyal · 08-29-2008, 09:58 PM

Im very impressed., Were stopping the run this pre season....Unlike last pre season.

Plus were forcing turn overs which is good.

theAPAOps5 · 08-29-2008, 09:58 PM

Our D will be mediocre at best.

Spider · 08-29-2008, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

Our D will be mediocre at best.

you base this on what ?
I still say we dont know for sure , but I suspect we will be a top 12 Defense

theAPAOps5 · 08-29-2008, 10:01 PM

Because our DL is horrid. Coyer ran the blitz game and was great until mid season. But teams adjust. I say this team will be in the 15-20 range. But our D will be our achilles heal.

Atwater His Ass · 08-29-2008, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider

oh bull**** , every D line stunts good grief ...... they always have ...... you dont know how strong or weak our front 4 is .... stop pulling **** from your ass

Ok. Don't be concerned that our DL can't beat one-on-one matchups.

I can make assumptions based on 4 pre-season games on our DL's ability or lack thereof to win the one vs. one battle. You on the other hand don't have a leg to stand on. Smoke and mirrors.

If you don't have players that can make plays, no amount of stunts, blitzes and or other trickery will work in the long run. Being a Bronco fan, you should already realize this as we've lived it for several seasons now.

telluride · 08-29-2008, 10:06 PM

I'll be happy with a mid- to good level defense. This team will rise and fall with the offense.

CasinoRoyal · 08-29-2008, 10:07 PM

Im positive our defense will be top 8

LongDongJohnson · 08-29-2008, 10:12 PM

well because the broncos offense is pretty good we might be able to survive this season with an average defense.

next year we have to draft early on the defense though.

by the way you have to blitz and stunt to get pressure on the qb. every single team does it. i dont know why its wrong that we do it.

Willynowei · 08-29-2008, 10:13 PM

Sorry Apa, but anyone whos says "if you have to resort to stunts you have no D-line" doesn't know what they're talking about.

Look at the Giants they ran stunts nearly every down in the superbowl.

Small quick D-linemen are all over the NFL and they are usually utilized in a loop heavy scheme, if our Front seven reacts well to the run during a front four stunt then we'll be able to run it on a significant portion of the snaps.

CasinoRoyal · 08-29-2008, 10:18 PM

Yeah every team with athletic DLinemen run stunts to take advantage of there athleticism and confused the OL.

theAPAOps5 · 08-29-2008, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Willynowei

Sorry Apa, but anyone whos says "if you have to resort to stunts you have no D-line" doesn't know what they're talking about.

Look at the Giants they ran stunts nearly every down in the superbowl.

Small quick D-linemen are all over the NFL and they are usually utilized in a loop heavy scheme, if our Front seven reacts well to the run during a front four stunt then we'll be able to run it on a significant portion of the snaps.

The stunts comment I am wrong on you are right. But the blitzing that we will have to do to make pressure will bit this team in the ass. Our D will sink us. I am sorry you guys are getting your hopes up but this team will be hurt by our D.

Spider · 08-29-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

Because our DL is horrid. Coyer ran the blitz game and was great until mid season. But teams adjust. I say this team will be in the 15-20 range. But our D will be our achilles heal.

I disagree , Special teams will be our down fall .......

Willynowei · 08-29-2008, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

Ok. Don't be concerned that our DL can't beat one-on-one matchups.

I can make assumptions based on 4 pre-season games on our DL's ability or lack thereof to win the one vs. one battle. You on the other hand don't have a leg to stand on. Smoke and mirrors.

If you don't have players that can make plays, no amount of stunts, blitzes and or other trickery will work in the long run. Being a Bronco fan, you should already realize this as we've lived it for several seasons now.

Our regular season starting D-line has played together for roughly 1 half the entire preseason, what type of assumptions can you make other than they didn't collapse the pocket whilst running straight forward into the opposing O-line.

Spider · 08-29-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

Ok. Don't be concerned that our DL can't beat one-on-one matchups.

I can make assumptions based on 4 pre-season games on our DL's ability or lack thereof to win the one vs. one battle. You on the other hand don't have a leg to stand on. Smoke and mirrors.

If you don't have players that can make plays, no amount of stunts, blitzes and or other trickery will work in the long run. Being a Bronco fan, you should already realize this as we've lived it for several seasons now.

Dude no D.L wins one on one match ups , 3 step drops screen passes will see to that ......

FireFly · 08-29-2008, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

The stunts comment I am wrong on you are right. But the blitzing that we will have to do to make pressure will bit this team in the ass. Our D will sink us. I am sorry you guys are getting your hopes up but this team will be hurt by our D.

I agree with this. I think being able to stunt well is a sign of a good line (not the only indicator of course), but if you HAVE to blitz to create pressure you are setting yourself up to be bad. The truely elite defences can mix it up and still get pressure

Willynowei · 08-29-2008, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

The stunts comment I am wrong on you are right. But the blitzing that we will have to do to make pressure will bit this team in the ass. Our D will sink us. I am sorry you guys are getting your hopes up but this team will be hurt by our D.

And my answer to that is:

1.) I don't think we need to blitz every down.
2.) An average pass defense does not equate an average defense.

CBF1 · 08-29-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

Our D will be mediocre at best.

This coming from the guy that thought we were playoff bound at this time last year

LongDongJohnson · 08-29-2008, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

The stunts comment I am wrong on you are right. But the blitzing that we will have to do to make pressure will bit this team in the ass. Our D will sink us. I am sorry you guys are getting your hopes up but this team will be hurt by our D.

hey its not like we dont have any corners.
remember we have champ and dre.

we will also get more turn overs because of the blitzing. champ will probably be back to 8 interceptions again.

plus we still dont kow how much dewayne robertson will improve us. he barley has played this preseason.

Atwater His Ass · 08-29-2008, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider

Dude no D.L wins one on one match ups , 3 step drops screen passes will see to that ......

lol ok man.

take a single situation among many, and treat it as an absolute in a failed attempt to justify your point.

08-29-2008, 09:47 PM	#1
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	To those that was dissing our D What say you guys now ? Probably not much , but i said we didnt know crap until we saw blitz and stunts .......

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Willynowei Some dude Football is a wonderful thing. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: NJ Posts: 2,798 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	Sorry Apa, but anyone whos says "if you have to resort to stunts you have no D-line" doesn't know what they're talking about. Look at the Giants they ran stunts nearly every down in the superbowl. Small quick D-linemen are all over the NFL and they are usually utilized in a loop heavy scheme, if our Front seven reacts well to the run during a front four stunt then we'll be able to run it on a significant portion of the snaps. Last edited by Willynowei; 08-29-2008 at 10:17 PM..

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08-29-2008, 09:51 PM	#2
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Sure you know something. You know how well our guys can handle one-on-one match-ups. Using a Coyer system to blitz to cover up your lack of front 4 push is dangerous.

08-29-2008, 09:54 PM	#4
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,443	I'm still not impressed with play I see from several guys who will be starting on defense. The best thing about this game was how well the bkup oline played and how good the kicking games looks. Either punter will be better then last yr. Praters kicks sail to the endzone everytime. Just the touchbacks could mean 20-30 less points given up this yr. Who knows maybe Broncos can be a lot better then I originally thought the offense really looks that good.

08-29-2008, 09:55 PM	#5
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Um when you have to resort to stunts and blitz it means you have no DL. Our D is mediocre at best.

08-29-2008, 09:58 PM	#7
CasinoRoyal Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,295 Adopt-a-Bronco: eddie royal	Im very impressed., Were stopping the run this pre season....Unlike last pre season. Plus were forcing turn overs which is good.

08-29-2008, 10:01 PM	#10
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,057 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Because our DL is horrid. Coyer ran the blitz game and was great until mid season. But teams adjust. I say this team will be in the 15-20 range. But our D will be our achilles heal.

08-29-2008, 10:06 PM	#12
telluride Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,557 Adopt-a-Bronco: --Rulon!--	I'll be happy with a mid- to good level defense. This team will rise and fall with the offense.

08-29-2008, 10:07 PM	#13
CasinoRoyal Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,295 Adopt-a-Bronco: eddie royal	Im positive our defense will be top 8

08-29-2008, 10:12 PM	#14
LongDongJohnson Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,626 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	well because the broncos offense is pretty good we might be able to survive this season with an average defense. next year we have to draft early on the defense though. by the way you have to blitz and stunt to get pressure on the qb. every single team does it. i dont know why its wrong that we do it.

08-29-2008, 10:18 PM	#16
CasinoRoyal Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,295 Adopt-a-Bronco: eddie royal	Yeah every team with athletic DLinemen run stunts to take advantage of there athleticism and confused the OL.