Biden, Obama and other dems talk about McCain

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSpcxkKlEFA


Wow are you sure they don't want McCain to win!!!!!!!

[peacepipe]

I'm sure,by the time election day comes around people will be convinced they're voteing for a 3rd bush term with McCain.

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Biden saying only a yr ago that Obama isn't experienced enough to be President of the USA plays right into McCains message. Picking Biden shows Obama's weakness. His inexperience. Americans may see Biden as being picked to try and convince them Obama is ready. It may just make them think even Obama feels he needs some old time democrat to govern.

[MO<1>]

Originally Posted by peacepipe

I'm sure,by the time election day comes around people will be convinced they're voteing for a 3rd bush term with McCain.

You overestimate how many people base their entire scope of knowledge on youtube. How do you pick between Hitler and Stalin?

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Biden saying only a yr ago that Obama isn't experienced enough to be President of the USA plays right into McCains message. Picking Biden shows Obama's weakness. His inexperience. Americans may see Biden as being picked to try and convince them Obama is ready. It may just make them think even Obama feels he needs some old time democrat to govern.

And when McBush likely picks Romney he'll play into his own weakness. the economy.

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Biden saying only a yr ago that Obama isn't experienced enough to be President of the USA plays right into McCains message. Picking Biden shows Obama's weakness. His inexperience. Americans may see Biden as being picked to try and convince them Obama is ready. It may just make them think even Obama feels he needs some old time democrat to govern.

John McCains own words will play right into Obamas message about McCain.

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by MO<1>

You overestimate how many people base their entire scope of knowledge on youtube. How do you pick between Hitler and Stalin?

You underestimate how many people watch TV.

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Originally Posted by MO<1>

You overestimate how many people base their entire scope of knowledge on youtube. How do you pick between Hitler and Stalin?

I don't but between McBush & Barack Obama,I'll choose Obama.

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Originally Posted by peacepipe

And when McBush likely picks Romney he'll play into his own weakness. the economy.

you may be right that is a good point. My counter would be Americans won't worry about a lack of economic expertise from McCain when they see Obama as lacking experience in life. Romney would be a good pick to shore up McCain on the economy even though I don't really like him.

The thing is McCain has been praised by Democrats in the past now they have to paint him as another Bush. Obama doesn't have clips of repubs praising him does he? You don't see those clips as powerful?

You don't see Biden saying only a yr ago that Obama was too inexperienced to be President as something Repubs will use and use effectively?

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how come no Dems will explain Biden saying Obama is too inexperienced now he is running with him. This is the type of flip flop Americans love to hate.

It's not a smart move politically. Obama is risking losing because he hates Hilliary.

[Rohirrim]

It's true, you know, the experience thing. Obama has about the same amount of experience (maybe a bit more) than Lincoln while McCain has tons of Washington experience, like LBJ.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

how come no Dems will explain Biden saying Obama is too inexperienced now he is running with him. This is the type of flip flop Americans love to hate.

It's not a smart move politically. Obama is risking losing because he hates Hilliary.

You're kidding, right? You don't remember who invented the term "voodoo economics?" It was Bush 1 who came up with that when he was debating Reagan, before he became Reagan's running mate. This has happened many, many times before.

[MO<1>]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

It's true, you know, the experience thing. Obama has about the same amount of experience (maybe a bit more) than Lincoln while McCain has tons of Washington experience, like LBJ.

Which dead president does McCain think he is? Didn't John Kerry think he was the new JFK?

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by MO<1>

Which dead president does McCain think he is? Didn't John Kerry think he was the new JFK?

You don't want to hold McCain up against former dead presidents. The resemblance is a little too uncanny, if you get my drift.

[defenseman]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

how come no Dems will explain Biden saying Obama is too inexperienced now he is running with him. This is the type of flip flop Americans love to hate.

It's not a smart move politically. Obama is risking losing because he hates Hilliary.

Bingo, on the freaking money. IF he had picked Hillary, this election was a done deal, he knows that..dman

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

You're kidding, right? You don't remember who invented the term "voodoo economics?" It was Bush 1 who came up with that when he was debating Reagan, before he became Reagan's running mate. This has happened many, many times before.

yeah but that attacks a theory not the man. Biden didn't attack something like what Obama wants to do in healthcare etc. He said the man is too inexperienced.

Good try though but attacking a policy is not the same as attacking the man. You could easily say it's ok to disagree about certain theories and policies. But to think the man you are going to be VP for isn't experienced enough makes me wonder if Biden is really the one Dems plan on being in charge. Obama should be worried he got forced to pick Biden. No way he wanted the guy who said he wasn't ready to be President.

[24champ]

McCain Camp moved pretty quickly on this.

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

You're kidding, right? You don't remember who invented the term "voodoo economics?" It was Bush 1 who came up with that when he was debating Reagan, before he became Reagan's running mate. This has happened many, many times before.

and no I'm not kidding. Trying to make this into a non issue won't work. What it will be is a great commercial that will prob air sometime soon.

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Champ we aren't even experts in this and we knew to do this!!!! I mean a HS student in Poli Sci could come up with this plan of attack.

When the dude you pick as VP is on the record saying he stands by his comment Obama isn't experienced enough you can bet it's a good thing for the other side.

They should have made Hilliary the VP, election over McCain go home. Dems get the black vote. Dems get the anti-war vote. Dems get the Women. OVER!!!!!!

Now all bets are off it's almost like the dems don't really want to have the White House.

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Biden saying only a yr ago that Obama isn't experienced enough to be President of the USA plays right into McCains message. Picking Biden shows Obama's weakness. His inexperience. Americans may see Biden as being picked to try and convince them Obama is ready. It may just make them think even Obama feels he needs some old time democrat to govern.

Something said in the heat of the elections has gone on forever. Obviously Obama doesn't have a problem with it. Maybe Obama is man enough to know he has areas of weakness and picked a man who can shore up those issues. That doesn't indicate to me it's a weakness with Obama, rather the issues are that important to him.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

yeah but that attacks a theory not the man. Biden didn't attack something like what Obama wants to do in healthcare etc. He said the man is too inexperienced.

Good try though but attacking a policy is not the same as attacking the man. You could easily say it's ok to disagree about certain theories and policies. But to think the man you are going to be VP for isn't experienced enough makes me wonder if Biden is really the one Dems plan on being in charge. Obama should be worried he got forced to pick Biden. No way he wanted the guy who said he wasn't ready to be President.

This is only the opening talking point of the Right, launched immediately upon the announcement of the Biden pick. You don't have to defend this one to the death. There will be further marching orders from Right you will have an easier time defending. This one is fluff.

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Champ we aren't even experts in this and we knew to do this!!!! I mean a HS student in Poli Sci could come up with this plan of attack.

When the dude you pick as VP is on the record saying he stands by his comment Obama isn't experienced enough you can bet it's a good thing for the other side.

They should have made Hilliary the VP, election over McCain go home. Dems get the black vote. Dems get the anti-war vote. Dems get the Women. OVER!!!!!!

Now all bets are off it's almost like the dems don't really want to have the White House.

Is the "I don't remember how many houses I have" an issue for McCain? Let's see do I want a guy that is so out of touch he can't remember how many houses he has or a man who admits his areas of weakness and makes a move to reinforce those areas? Hmmmm......

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McCain may not have 100's of millions but he has enough to slam that commercial across Americas TVS. Whatever all you enlightened dems want to think a lot of Americans will either say Biden is a flip flopping idiot who will say whatever at the time, or that Biden really feels Obama is too inexperienced and he is on ticket to make sure he doesn't screw up.

Either way good for McCain

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

and no I'm not kidding. Trying to make this into a non issue won't work. What it will be is a great commercial that will prob air sometime soon.

You're behind the times. The McCain commercial showing the Biden quote came out the same time as the announcement. If you think Biden and Obama haven't prepared for this, you haven't been paying attention. I did like Biden's quote today about McCain being able to deal with the kitchen table issues of regular Americans. "After all, he doesn't know which of his seven kitchen tables to go to."

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Originally Posted by gunns

Something said in the heat of the elections has gone on forever. Obviously Obama doesn't have a problem with it. Maybe Obama is man enough to know he has areas of weakness and picked a man who can shore up those issues. That doesn't indicate to me it's a weakness with Obama, rather the issues are that important to him.

that's probably the best way to go. This is the first decent rebuttal. You could say hey it was a heat of the battle thing he didn't mean it. Then the Repubs will say so that means what you say about McCain now is also probably just heat of the battle type stuff. That you never know with Dems if they mean it or not. That they are empty suits who say what they think people want to hear.

Either way I think this is an easy issue for Repubs to attack on and hard for Dems to defend.

That's why I don't understand making a different pick. Are Dems really happy with this pick? A DC insider that was critical of your Obama savior?