The Rb Situation - The Orange Mane

socalorado · 08-19-2008, 08:27 AM

Well, its slow here and while a few are wondering what could have been with Hixon still in DEN

, i for 1 am wondering if Selvin Young can tote the rock for an entire year.
Observers said he put on 20 lbs in the offseason which then went to 10 lbs and from the looks of him, he doesnt appear to play any bigger than he did last year. To me, he does not look like Terrel either. Just my take, and it doesnt make him any less of a player or possibly effective, but i did notice that he seemd to be light when he ran. He didnt have a great performance vs. DAL, but he only got the ball a few times and some of the plays were swing passes out of the backfield and sometimes those can be tough with players bearing down on you.HE just does not seem to be a guy who can run in between the tackles and take a beating all year. I am not saying that Selvin is a bad player or has no future in the NFL, but i wonder if DEN is possibly looking to upgrade at the RB position with Torains injury as well.
I like Hall as well, but again can both of these guys really get thetough yards when DEN needs them?

By Jim Thomas
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
08/18/2008
http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...1?OpenDocument
Despite rumblings over the weekend that there might be some movement on the Steven Jackson front, sources familiar with the negotiations — or lack thereof — say there was no dialogue between the Rams and Jackson's agent save for a brief phone call Friday between the parties.

So the holdout continues. As of Sunday, the Pro Bowl running back had missed 24 days of training camp and the preseason, 24 practices and two preseason games. At $15,116 per day, his fine total stands at $362,784 — or just under the minimum base salary for a second-year NFL player.

For the first time, Rams coach Scott Linehan conceded Sunday that time is of the essence in getting Jackson ready for the season opener Sept. 7 in Philadelphia.

"It is getting critical to where time now becomes more of an issue for just the physical part of getting ready for the opener," Linehan said. "Every day we miss now … does start to factor in as to what the workload will be from the start.

"I know he's working hard. And I know he's training. And he'll be in very good shape when he does get in."

END OF ROAD FOR RONNIE BROWN?
Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2008, 10:49 p.m. EDT
At a time when the new regime in Miami is thinking about throwing overboard a second-round pick from 2007, could they also be contemplating parting ways with the No. 2 overall pick from the 2005 draft?

Per Chris Mortensen of ESPN (via Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald), it’s possible that Fins tailback Ronnie Brown could be playing elsewhere in 2008.

Mort says that Brown has been “struggling” in the preseason. Meanwhile, Ricky Williams has been looking like he’s poised for a late-career rebirth.

Brown is due to earn a base salary of $3.65 million in 2008. Williams is scheduled to earn only $730,000.

If the Fins move Brown, it’s the surest sign of Bill Parcells’ intention to turn the organization upside down. And, frankly, it’s exactly what the organization needed.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...-ronnie-brown/

SO what the hell, i figure its slow in here, lets get some input as to the RB position and if any of you think it could posibly be worthy of maybe a "madden trade" to upgrade!

Flame away!!!!!!!!!

lex · 08-19-2008, 08:36 AM

Zu teuer!

Man-Goblin · 08-19-2008, 08:44 AM

Pretty surprising about Ronnie Brown. It would have been nice if they clarified if he is struggling because of the system or because of the ACL. I heard an interview with him last week, though, and he said the knee was fine.

That dude is a great all around back. At $3 million base he could be a bargain....

I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin...

Borks147 · 08-19-2008, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by lex

Zu teuer!

you think Jackson isn't worth it?

and Brown wont be too expensive if he is cut, and he would probably entertain coming to Denver given the Broncos history with running backs.

that said, I'm happy with our current running backs

cmhargrove · 08-19-2008, 09:58 AM

Ronnie Brown would probably take a "Javon deal" based on performance incentives and play time (since he is coming off an injury).

Steven Jackson will want a huge payday - LT money or more. We can't afford Jackson.

Brown would be a great pickup - i wonder if we could trade for him before he hits the open market?

socalorado · 08-19-2008, 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Ronnie Brown would probably take a "Javon deal" based on performance incentives and play time (since he is coming off an injury).

Steven Jackson will want a huge payday - LT money or more. We can't afford Jackson.

Brown would be a great pickup - i wonder if we could trade for him before he hits the open market?

What do you think DEN would have to give to get the deal done before Brown hit the open market?
Hypothetically of course.

ColoradoBuff · 08-19-2008, 10:07 AM

i'd take a look at Brown.

Beantown Bronco · 08-19-2008, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmhargrove

Ronnie Brown would probably take a "Javon deal" based on performance incentives and play time (since he is coming off an injury).

I'm betting the Raiders wished Javon took a "Javon deal" to play with them right about now....

NFLBRONCO · 08-19-2008, 10:52 AM

Ronnie Brown sucks never saw the hoopla with this guy our running game is fine.

chickennob2 · 08-19-2008, 10:59 AM

woah now, they said he might be playing somewhere else in 2008. That in no way indicates they will be releasing him. Perhaps they may take a little less than his supposed value in a trade, but they won't just give him away.

Inkana7 · 08-19-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

Ronnie Brown sucks never saw the hoopla with this guy our running game is fine.

He was a complete monster last season before he got hurt. He sucks? Are you kidding me? He lead the NFL in all purpose yardage with 991 yards in 7 games!

TheChamp24 · 08-19-2008, 11:02 AM

lol, Ronnie Brown sucks? Ronnie Brown when healthy is a top 8 back in the league. In only 7 games last year, he had 600 yards rushing, a ypc of 5.1 and 4 TD's. Couple that with 39 catches for 389 yards and 1 TD receiving.
Pretty freakin good for someone playing in Miami's offense.
I'm scared of his injury history though.
Steven Jackson, I'm skeptical of him. I wonder if he will wear down pretty quick or not.

socalorado · 08-19-2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Inkana7

He was a complete monster last season before he got hurt. He sucks? Are you kidding me? He lead the NFL in all purpose yardage with 991 yards in 7 games!

Which is why i was intruiged with the Dolphins throwing around a possible trade.
So lets get to brass tax gentlemen. What would it take to get this deal done?
hypothetically of course.
Just shootin the $H!t here guys.

A 2nd round pick?

TheChamp24 · 08-19-2008, 11:06 AM

Hell, I wouldn't give up any pick to get Brown. I don't like trading for injury riddled players.

skpac1001 · 08-19-2008, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jth1331

Hell, I wouldn't give up any pick to get Brown. I don't like trading for injury riddled players.

Yeah, with the way we have been drafting lately, I want more picks, not less.

telluride · 08-19-2008, 11:16 AM

Just grow our own. Let's make do with Young/Hall/Aldridge RBBC until Torain gets healthy. Either this season or next.

gyldenlove · 08-19-2008, 11:25 AM

I wouldn't give up anything for Ronnie Brown, Unless Aldridge is more injured than we know off I wouldn't even try to sign him as a free agent.

I would rather go for someone with less talent but more durability.

Just a general comment, man some teams look stupid for drafting 3 runningbacks in the top 5 picks in 2005. Cedric Benson is out of a job, Ronnie Brown could be out of a job and Whatshisface from Tampa may never play again.

socalorado · 08-19-2008, 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gyldenlove

I wouldn't give up anything for Ronnie Brown, Unless Aldridge is more injured than we know off I wouldn't even try to sign him as a free agent.

I would rather go for someone with less talent but more durability.

Just a general comment, man some teams look stupid for drafting 3 runningbacks in the top 5 picks in 2005. Cedric Benson is out of a job, Ronnie Brown could be out of a job and Whatshisface from Tampa may never play again.

Who is this player with less talent and more durability?
Just askin.......

Hamrob · 08-19-2008, 11:38 AM

I'm skeptical of our current backs. I think they will hold their own in most games...but not in the big games. Do we really think we can count on Young and Hall against the Bolts or Patriots etc.? I don't think so.

Therefore, I for one...believe we should be considering all options. Ronnie Brown is a big risk. Backs don't typically come back the year after a knee injury and play up to their potential...it is usually not until their 2nd year back that they return to form. That being said...nonone knows backs better than Turner...so, I have to have confidence, that however this situation turns out...we're going to be o.k.

cmhargrove · 08-19-2008, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by socalorado

What do you think DEN would have to give to get the deal done before Brown hit the open market?
Hypothetically of course.

I think you trade for him under his current contract, with the agreement of a new deal already in place. That way, you guarantee the trade, and already have your "new deal" agreed upon.

Give him Keary Colbert's deal with performance escalators and I bet he would be happy.

socalorado · 08-19-2008, 12:00 PM

RICKY TOPS RONNIE ON DOLPHINS’ DEPTH CHART

Posted by Michael David Smith on August 19, 2008, 11:05 a.m. EDT
Adding fuel to the reports that running back Ronnie Brown could be on the way out in Miami is the Dolphins’ own depth chart, which lists Brown as the No. 2 back, behind Ricky Williams.
Teams’ online depth charts in August don’t necessarily correspond with the way the squad lines up on the field in September. And the same depth chart lists rookie Chad Henne as the No. 4 quarterback behind starter Chad Pennington and backups Josh McCown and John Beck, even though Henne is virtually guaranteed of a roster spot whereas either McCown or Beck will most likely be gone by the end of the month.
But the Dolphins’ previous depth chart (which is still available at NFL.com) showed Brown ahead of Williams. Something happened to make the Dolphins change course and put Williams in the top spot.
For the team’s part, the Dolphins say Williams moved up on the depth chart because Brown probably won’t play in the team’s next preseason game, Saturday night against the Chiefs. But Brown is still listed ahead of other running backs on the roster who will play Saturday night.
Whether it’s Brown or Williams who starts in Week 1, it’s clear that the current regime running the Dolphins feels no particular need to follow the path of the old regime.
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...s-depth-chart/

cmhargrove · 08-19-2008, 12:06 PM

Ronnie Brown, meet Bobby Turner....

Dos Rios · 08-19-2008, 12:20 PM

Is this the point in the thread where someone says we could get Brown for Foxworth straight up?

BroncoBuff · 08-19-2008, 12:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NFLBRONCO

Ronnie Brown sucks never saw the hoopla with this guy our running game is fine.

I agree ... we're fine with RBs. UNLESS Jackson would become available. Steven Jackson makes this a Super Bowl caliber offense... problem is they'd want some very heavy compensation.

Beantown Bronco · 08-19-2008, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dos Rios

Is this the point in the thread where someone says we could get Brown for Foxworth straight up?

nope.....Foxworth plus a 6th rounder. That's how the Mane rolls.

08-19-2008, 08:27 AM	#1
socalorado Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,211	The Rb Situation Well, its slow here and while a few are wondering what could have been with Hixon still in DEN, i for 1 am wondering if Selvin Young can tote the rock for an entire year. Observers said he put on 20 lbs in the offseason which then went to 10 lbs and from the looks of him, he doesnt appear to play any bigger than he did last year. To me, he does not look like Terrel either. Just my take, and it doesnt make him any less of a player or possibly effective, but i did notice that he seemd to be light when he ran. He didnt have a great performance vs. DAL, but he only got the ball a few times and some of the plays were swing passes out of the backfield and sometimes those can be tough with players bearing down on you.HE just does not seem to be a guy who can run in between the tackles and take a beating all year. I am not saying that Selvin is a bad player or has no future in the NFL, but i wonder if DEN is possibly looking to upgrade at the RB position with Torains injury as well. I like Hall as well, but again can both of these guys really get thetough yards when DEN needs them? By Jim Thomas ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH 08/18/2008 http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...1?OpenDocument Despite rumblings over the weekend that there might be some movement on the Steven Jackson front, sources familiar with the negotiations — or lack thereof — say there was no dialogue between the Rams and Jackson's agent save for a brief phone call Friday between the parties. So the holdout continues. As of Sunday, the Pro Bowl running back had missed 24 days of training camp and the preseason, 24 practices and two preseason games. At $15,116 per day, his fine total stands at $362,784 — or just under the minimum base salary for a second-year NFL player. For the first time, Rams coach Scott Linehan conceded Sunday that time is of the essence in getting Jackson ready for the season opener Sept. 7 in Philadelphia. "It is getting critical to where time now becomes more of an issue for just the physical part of getting ready for the opener," Linehan said. "Every day we miss now … does start to factor in as to what the workload will be from the start. "I know he's working hard. And I know he's training. And he'll be in very good shape when he does get in." END OF ROAD FOR RONNIE BROWN? Posted by Mike Florio on August 18, 2008, 10:49 p.m. EDT At a time when the new regime in Miami is thinking about throwing overboard a second-round pick from 2007, could they also be contemplating parting ways with the No. 2 overall pick from the 2005 draft? Per Chris Mortensen of ESPN (via Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald), it’s possible that Fins tailback Ronnie Brown could be playing elsewhere in 2008. Mort says that Brown has been “struggling” in the preseason. Meanwhile, Ricky Williams has been looking like he’s poised for a late-career rebirth. Brown is due to earn a base salary of $3.65 million in 2008. Williams is scheduled to earn only $730,000. If the Fins move Brown, it’s the surest sign of Bill Parcells’ intention to turn the organization upside down. And, frankly, it’s exactly what the organization needed. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...-ronnie-brown/ SO what the hell, i figure its slow in here, lets get some input as to the RB position and if any of you think it could posibly be worthy of maybe a "madden trade" to upgrade! Flame away!!!!!!!!! Last edited by socalorado; 08-19-2008 at 08:29 AM..

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08-19-2008, 08:36 AM	#2
lex Bowlen Sold Us Out! The Broncos have been DisemBowlened Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Chi-Town Posts: 10,253 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Zu teuer!

08-19-2008, 08:44 AM	#3
Man-Goblin Giving You The Business Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Huntersville, NC Posts: 5,589 Adopt-a-Bronco: Woodyard	Pretty surprising about Ronnie Brown. It would have been nice if they clarified if he is struggling because of the system or because of the ACL. I heard an interview with him last week, though, and he said the knee was fine. That dude is a great all around back. At $3 million base he could be a bargain.... I'm not sayin, I'm just sayin...

08-19-2008, 09:58 AM	#5
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,409 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Ronnie Brown would probably take a "Javon deal" based on performance incentives and play time (since he is coming off an injury). Steven Jackson will want a huge payday - LT money or more. We can't afford Jackson. Brown would be a great pickup - i wonder if we could trade for him before he hits the open market?

08-19-2008, 10:07 AM	#7
ColoradoBuff Ring of Famer In Manning We Trust...... Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Where the buffalo roam.... Posts: 2,002 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	i'd take a look at Brown.

08-19-2008, 10:52 AM	#9
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,388	Ronnie Brown sucks never saw the hoopla with this guy our running game is fine.

08-19-2008, 10:59 AM	#10
chickennob2 Memphian in Boston Glad to be back Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 1,059 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	woah now, they said he might be playing somewhere else in 2008. That in no way indicates they will be releasing him. Perhaps they may take a little less than his supposed value in a trade, but they won't just give him away.

08-19-2008, 11:02 AM	#12
TheChamp24 DERP DERP DERP The Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Broncos Country Posts: 4,875	lol, Ronnie Brown sucks? Ronnie Brown when healthy is a top 8 back in the league. In only 7 games last year, he had 600 yards rushing, a ypc of 5.1 and 4 TD's. Couple that with 39 catches for 389 yards and 1 TD receiving. Pretty freakin good for someone playing in Miami's offense. I'm scared of his injury history though. Steven Jackson, I'm skeptical of him. I wonder if he will wear down pretty quick or not.

08-19-2008, 11:06 AM	#14
TheChamp24 DERP DERP DERP The Legend Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Broncos Country Posts: 4,875	Hell, I wouldn't give up any pick to get Brown. I don't like trading for injury riddled players.

08-19-2008, 11:16 AM	#16
telluride Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 2,557 Adopt-a-Bronco: --Rulon!--	Just grow our own. Let's make do with Young/Hall/Aldridge RBBC until Torain gets healthy. Either this season or next.

08-19-2008, 11:25 AM	#17
gyldenlove Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London, ON Posts: 10,027 Adopt-a-Bronco: Spencer Larsen	I wouldn't give up anything for Ronnie Brown, Unless Aldridge is more injured than we know off I wouldn't even try to sign him as a free agent. I would rather go for someone with less talent but more durability. Just a general comment, man some teams look stupid for drafting 3 runningbacks in the top 5 picks in 2005. Cedric Benson is out of a job, Ronnie Brown could be out of a job and Whatshisface from Tampa may never play again.

08-19-2008, 11:38 AM	#19
Hamrob All-American! All-American! Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: DFW Posts: 4,747 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Manning	I'm skeptical of our current backs. I think they will hold their own in most games...but not in the big games. Do we really think we can count on Young and Hall against the Bolts or Patriots etc.? I don't think so. Therefore, I for one...believe we should be considering all options. Ronnie Brown is a big risk. Backs don't typically come back the year after a knee injury and play up to their potential...it is usually not until their 2nd year back that they return to form. That being said...nonone knows backs better than Turner...so, I have to have confidence, that however this situation turns out...we're going to be o.k.

08-19-2008, 12:00 PM	#21
socalorado Ring of Famer Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 5,211	RICKY TOPS RONNIE ON DOLPHINS’ DEPTH CHART Posted by Michael David Smith on August 19, 2008, 11:05 a.m. EDT Adding fuel to the reports that running back Ronnie Brown could be on the way out in Miami is the Dolphins’ own depth chart, which lists Brown as the No. 2 back, behind Ricky Williams. Teams’ online depth charts in August don’t necessarily correspond with the way the squad lines up on the field in September. And the same depth chart lists rookie Chad Henne as the No. 4 quarterback behind starter Chad Pennington and backups Josh McCown and John Beck, even though Henne is virtually guaranteed of a roster spot whereas either McCown or Beck will most likely be gone by the end of the month. But the Dolphins’ previous depth chart (which is still available at NFL.com) showed Brown ahead of Williams. Something happened to make the Dolphins change course and put Williams in the top spot. For the team’s part, the Dolphins say Williams moved up on the depth chart because Brown probably won’t play in the team’s next preseason game, Saturday night against the Chiefs. But Brown is still listed ahead of other running backs on the roster who will play Saturday night. Whether it’s Brown or Williams who starts in Week 1, it’s clear that the current regime running the Dolphins feels no particular need to follow the path of the old regime. http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/...s-depth-chart/

08-19-2008, 12:06 PM	#22
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,409 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	Ronnie Brown, meet Bobby Turner....

08-19-2008, 12:20 PM	#23
Dos Rios Solid Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 249	Is this the point in the thread where someone says we could get Brown for Foxworth straight up?