Penn & Teller Bull$hit Conspiracy Theories

[TDmvp]

Please sit through this ... Please ... one more ... Please ...

part one


part two


part three

[spdirty]

good stuff. This is for you green ****ers.
1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAu68OsFggw
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5weG9...eature=related
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ictpP...eature=related


And here is for you wal mart hating ****tards
1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGb9OLqsvV8
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzV0L...eature=related
And Im pretty sure LABF is on this one featured as a T Shirt maker.
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqp5K...eature=related

[Spider]

Not that I care but who is penn and Teller ? didnt watch the video

[spdirty]

Originally Posted by Spider

Not that I care but who is penn and Teller ? didnt watch the video

vegas magicians. watch the video.

[Spider]

Originally Posted by spdirty

vegas magicians. watch the video.

Why do I care what 2 vegas magicians have to say ?

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by Spider

Why do I care what 2 vegas magicians have to say ?

Because they have taken it upon themselves to debunk crap.
Sort of like the Amazing Randi, who is also a majician set out to disprove
the ESP, telekinesis, and fortune teller hoaxers.
Who better to prove somebody is trying to con you than someone
who makes their living by conning people?

PS, the videos were hilarious.

[TDmvp]

the walmart one is great as well ...

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by spdirty

And here is for you wal mart hating ****tards

How pathetic a redneck bozo do you have to be to find the above an effective epithet?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Spider

Why do I care what 2 vegas magicians have to say ?

It's an upgrade from Arabian horse trainers when Bush and his minions are setting the bar, I guess.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

It's an upgrade from Arabian horse trainers when Bush and his minions are setting the bar, I guess.

If you are somehow trying to imply that Penn and Teller are on GWB's
payroll, Penn and Teller have been exposing quacks and frauds for over
20 years now, long before GWB came on the scene. As for their political
leanings, they are neither Republicans or Democrats and consider themselves
to be Libertarians.

(Bet you didn't watch the videos either.)

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Bronco Bob

If you are somehow trying to imply that Penn and Teller are on GWB's
payroll, Penn and Teller have been exposing quacks and frauds for over
20 years now, long before GWB came on the scene. As for their political
leanings, they are neither Republicans or Democrats and consider themselves
to be Libertarians.

(Bet you didn't watch the videos either.)

No - that's not what I was trying to imply.

My point (to Spider) was that if Bush can put an Arabian horse trainer in charge of FEMA then no one should be able to find fault with the idea of putting Penn and Teller in charge of exposing fraud.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by TDmvp

the walmart one is great as well ...

Nice little bonus 5 minutes into this one on Wal-Mart and T-Shirts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqp5K...eature=related

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

No - that's not what I was trying to imply.

My point (to Spider) was that if Bush can put an Arabian horse trainer in charge of FEMA then no one should be able to find fault with the idea of putting Penn and Teller in charge of exposing fraud.

Penn and Teller put themselves in charge. And they are damn good at it too.

[TDmvp]

The Conspiracy Theories episode makes since out of so much of what we see here ...

people with voids fill them in the strangest ways ...

[Rohirrim]

They should stick to magic. It's what they're good at.

[Spider]

Meh I watched it , still doesnt change my mind on anything , they took so far out people i never heard of and put them on display ....... if they want to impress me , go after some of these so called experts on the toofers side

[Kid A]

They might not bring the most sophisticated or balanced approach, but I thought they addressed the main point that I always come to when talking about conspiracies: how the hell can you believe there are so many people involved in an intricate and complicated plot, and yet nobody actually involved has spoken. Not a single person. Not ever.

If so many people are willing to help rig the WTC with explosives, deceive the world about a moon landing, or help kill the president for political gain, don't you think at least one of them would be greedy enough to want to get really damn rich by writing an expose/going on every news show known to mankind with the truth?

As they said, the Watergate cover up was exposed almost instantly, and that was small peanuts compared to what some people want to claim is going on. With the dawn of the internet, and the ability to share information anonymously to the entire world, it becomes even more impossible to believe the government could shush anything of significant magnitude. We saw Abu Ghraib on Youtube, and that was an operation run completely by the government and military outside the US. If they could kill 3000 people and stage the hijacking of 4 planes without any evidence, why the hell couldn't they cover that PR disaster up?

[Spider]

Originally Posted by Kid A

They might not bring the most sophisticated or balanced approach, but I thought they addressed the main point that I always come to when talking about conspiracies: how the hell can you believe there are so many people involved in an intricate and complicated plot, and yet nobody actually involved has spoken. Not a single person. Not ever.

If so many people are willing to help rig the WTC with explosives, deceive the world about a moon landing, or help kill the president for political gain, don't you think at least one of them would be greedy enough to want to get really damn rich by writing an expose/going on every news show known to mankind with the truth?

As they said, the Watergate cover up was exposed almost instantly, and that was small peanuts compared to what some people want to claim is going on. With the dawn of the internet, and the ability to share information anonymously to the entire world, it becomes even more impossible to believe the government could shush anything of significant magnitude. We saw Abu Ghraib on Youtube, and that was an operation run completely by the government and military outside the US. If they could kill 3000 people and stage the hijacking of 4 planes without any evidence, why the hell couldn't they cover that PR disaster up?

Here is my problem te government has been lying to me my entire life , in fact I cant tell you te last one that has stuck to his word , so why in the hell should I believe them now / I don think the government brought down the WTC , but i dont think they did enough to stop it ................So when penn and Teller address that let me know

[BroncoBuff]

These guys really are idiots. A couple of their topics on BS! were interesting, but for the most part they just slap together programs with rote contrarian takes. They do VERY little research (if any), the only info they use is that which serves their contrarian conclusions.

As with all their episodes, their Wal-Mart show was ill-informed and largely just designed to provoke. They basically said, "they're not doing anything illegal, what's the problem? The minimum wage is $5.75!" They use the very definition of a straw man argument, and then trumpet their "victory" over that straw man as if they'd struck gold.

Even worse, they made fun of the Wal-Mart detractors in a personal manner that was imo grotesquely rude. Sure, the detractors who call the pay "slave wages" deserve to get slapped down a bit .... but stupid Penn acts like the people who work for WM would be automatically unemployed if it wasn't for WM, which is of course nowhere near true.

[The Lone Bolt]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

No - that's not what I was trying to imply.

My point (to Spider) was that if Bush can put an Arabian horse trainer in charge of FEMA then no one should be able to find fault with the idea of putting Penn and Teller in charge of exposing fraud.

AD HOMINEM ATTACK!! AD HOMINEM ATTACK!!!

How about addressing their facts?

[BroncoBuff]

Plus, I have a great deal of personal knowledge on another of their topics, I was even acquainted with one of the guys they interviewed, and that program was the worst, most ill-informed, dead-wrong, knee-jerk contrarian presentations I've ever seen on any topic in my life I just sat there with my jaw hanging open. They got every.single.point.wrong.

They're trying to be "funny" John Stossel-type reporters ... without doing the work required. And they fail miserably.

[DomCasual]

The green video is worth watching, just to see the people getting eco-counseling.

The thing about these videos is that they are interviewing real "whackjobs" (as they put it). It's every bit as fair as saying, "Rush Limbaugh is a jackass. All Conservatives are jackasses."

[DomCasual]

"I'm feeling kind of relaxed and calm. I'm, uh, pretty excited about this rock, as well."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

AWESOME!

[Kid A]

Originally Posted by Spider

Here is my problem te government has been lying to me my entire life , in fact I cant tell you te last one that has stuck to his word , so why in the hell should I believe them now / I don think the government brought down the WTC , but i dont think they did enough to stop it ................So when penn and Teller address that let me know

First off, I'd have to say I agree with most of what Buff said about the overall quality of the show and lack of quality arguments or journalistic integrity. I fine with the idea of presenting an argument in an entertaining way, but they take it to a point where it often compromises their case, even if it may be legitimate.

As I stated, I thought they brought up the most obvious problem with wide spread conspiracy theories that can often get lost in the silliness of minutia of analyzing the collapse of the towers for signs of demolition explosions. But, ultimately, you're right that the program doesn't absolve the government of any guilt.

It doesn't sound like you're even really who the program was critiquing. What you're talking about isn't really a conspiracy theory. The discussion/debate about what the government should have been doing before and after 9/11 is more than reasonable, and your doubts are well founded. I was more reacting to the ideas I've seen on the threads about that Loose Change video and the like.

[TDmvp]

Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

These guys really are idiots. A couple of their topics on BS! were interesting, but for the most part they just slap together programs with rote contrarian takes. They do VERY little research (if any), the only info they use is that which serves their contrarian conclusions.

As with all their episodes, their Wal-Mart show was ill-informed and largely just designed to provoke. They basically said, "they're not doing anything illegal, what's the problem? The minimum wage is $5.75!" They use the very definition of a straw man argument, and then trumpet their "victory" over that straw man as if they'd struck gold.

Even worse, they made fun of the Wal-Mart detractors in a personal manner that was imo grotesquely rude. Sure, the detractors who call the pay "slave wages" deserve to get slapped down a bit .... but stupid Penn acts like the people who work for WM would be automatically unemployed if it wasn't for WM, which is of course nowhere near true.

hating Walmart is stupid ...