vince young to be an elite qb - The Orange Mane

tsiguy96 · 08-12-2008, 05:41 AM

as per john clayton:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/traini...ohn&id=3529616

espn ftl.

Borks147 · 08-12-2008, 06:54 AM

****ing crypt keeper

DukeWoody · 08-12-2008, 07:18 AM

Fugg Clayton and what he thinks!

ESPiN can go fugg themselves too!

tnedator · 08-12-2008, 07:28 AM

We'll see. He has been a playmaker -- especially using his feet. Whether or not he can turn into an elite, all-around QB definately falls under "time will tell"

Dedhed · 08-12-2008, 07:37 AM

I predict that after this season it will be impossible for the talking heads to support anyone other than Cutler as the best QB to come out of that draft, and the only "elite" QB of the bunch.

dbfan21 · 08-12-2008, 07:50 AM

I love flying under the radar!!! Nobody is recognizing the youth and talent Denver has on the team. I hope articles such as this just add fuel to the fire and reall inspire the Broncos to go out there and show the league what they're made of.

Here's to Vince and Matt getting all of the national pub and to Jay for being the first to hoist the Lombardi!

no-pseudo-fan · 08-12-2008, 08:17 AM

History should serve as a guideline.

Running QB's who are not accurate throwers never truly make it. The problem is that these players read their own press clippings and have early success as runners, then the league or a upset linebacker brings them back to the pack. Once they are confronted with having to be a pocket passer, they fall apart. It is more of a domino effect with them, they can no longer run so those throwing windows get smaller, and the INT's come and the confidence leaves.

The best of the running QB's was Randall Cunningham, and even he never really made it to elite status, and Young is no Cunningham. Only running QB that made it was Steve Young, and that was due to hard work and a lot of time on the bench behind Joe Montana. Remember Steve Young in Tampa, U G L Y

maher_tyler · 08-12-2008, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by no-pseudo-fan

History should serve as a guideline.

Running QB's who are not accurate throwers never truly make it. The problem is that these players read their own press clippings and have early success as runners, then the league or a upset linebacker brings them back to the pack. Once they are confronted with having to be a pocket passer, they fall apart. It is more of a domino effect with them, they can no longer run so those throwing windows get smaller, and the INT's come and the confidence leaves.

The best of the running QB's was Randall Cunningham, and even he never really made it to elite status, and Young is no Cunningham. Only running QB that made it was Steve Young, and that was due to hard work and a lot of time on the bench behind Joe Montana. Remember Steve Young in Tampa, U G L Y

I think McNabb could be put into the running QB's that made it IMO.

NaptownChief · 08-12-2008, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by no-pseudo-fan

Remember Steve Young in Tampa, U G L Y

That was more due to the fact of how horrible the Bucs were than anything else. Any and all QB's would have looked horrible in that situation.

But I agree poor passers trying to be NFL QB's on their legs alone hasn't worked in the the past and probably never will. If you are a good passer and oh by the way you can run well also then that is a nice benefit but putting the ball where it is supposed to be is 95% of the job and if you can't do that then you can't be a good NFL QB.

Atlas · 08-12-2008, 08:30 AM

Personally I think Clayton is the best around. As far as Young, I think he'll be a good QB. A Steve McNair type that wins with intangibles and physical play more than being a great thrower.

He'll never be great though. I was the one that said Young was going to be a bust in the NFL. I said that I wouldn't select him before the third round and that I would rather have Brodie Croyal and Kellen Clemens over Young..... So I was a little off on that he'll be a good QB in the NFL, just not a great one.

no-pseudo-fan · 08-12-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by maher_tyler

I think McNabb could be put into the running QB's that made it IMO.

I never considered McNabb a running QB. I think that he has made a huge effort to stay in the pocket and throw the ball, sometimes to his own determent.

Rohirrim · 08-12-2008, 08:54 AM

Clayton must have missed the Dogboy Vick show.

Kaylore · 08-12-2008, 08:57 AM

Young isn't inaccurate, he just makes bad mistakes and doesn't have anyone at receiver. Some of you need to go back and re-watch the MNF game.

no-pseudo-fan · 08-12-2008, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

Young isn't inaccurate, he just makes bad mistakes and doesn't have anyone at receiver. Some of you need to go back and re-watch the MNF game.

I have seen a lot of his games. He is not consistantly accurate. Some of it may be his throwing motion, some may be his decision making, and some may be the WR's he has, but game in and game out I don't see him being able to beat people with his arm.

NaptownChief · 08-12-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

doesn't have anyone at receiver.

That is the excuse usually made for poor passing QB's as they have this wonderful ability to make their WR's look poor.

Roddy White was one of the many first day busts in Atlanta until Ron Mexico left and all of the sudden he is a Pro Bowler even with low rent QB's like Harrington, Leftwich and Redmon throwing to him.

theAPAOps5 · 08-12-2008, 09:29 AM

Where is Alec to defend his boyfriend.

They guy can make plays but not in the ways an Elite QB can make plays. Thats the difference. I never trust John Clayton anyways. He was on the debate team or chess team while football practice was going on in school!

Los Broncos · 08-12-2008, 09:33 AM

Drugs are bad, mmmmkay.

Beantown Bronco · 08-12-2008, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by no-pseudo-fan

I never considered McNabb a running QB. I think that he has made a huge effort to stay in the pocket and throw the ball, sometimes to his own determent.

Watch even a little bit of him when he was at Syracuse and you'll likely change your mind. He has obviously elevated his game in the NFL, but there's no way he gets drafted so early if not for his legs.

Kaylore · 08-12-2008, 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

That is the excuse usually made for poor passing QB's as they have this wonderful ability to make their WR's look poor.

Roddy White was one of the many first day busts in Atlanta until Ron Mexico left and all of the sudden he is a Pro Bowler even with low rent QB's like Harrington, Leftwich and Redmon throwing to him.

All I know is when we played him he made every throw on MNF and had four major drops where he hit his guy in stride. I saw nothing in that game that suggested he wasn't accurate.

enjolras · 08-12-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

All I know is when we played him he made every throw on MNF and had four major drops where he hit his guy in stride. I saw nothing in that game that suggested he wasn't accurate.

EVERY QB we faced looked like a hall of famer...

Atlas · 08-12-2008, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by enjolras

EVERY QB we faced looked like a hall of famer...

That would be funny if it wasn't so true!!!

no-pseudo-fan · 08-12-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Atlas

That would be funny if it wasn't so true!!!

Except KC's QB's, even we weren't that bad

Orange_Beard · 08-12-2008, 10:14 AM

I think he is right.

Not a slam on Jay, he will also be great.

Rock Chalk · 08-12-2008, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by no-pseudo-fan

History should serve as a guideline.

Running QB's who are not accurate throwers never truly make it. The problem is that these players read their own press clippings and have early success as runners, then the league or a upset linebacker brings them back to the pack. Once they are confronted with having to be a pocket passer, they fall apart. It is more of a domino effect with them, they can no longer run so those throwing windows get smaller, and the INT's come and the confidence leaves.

The best of the running QB's was Randall Cunningham, and even he never really made it to elite status, and Young is no Cunningham. Only running QB that made it was Steve Young, and that was due to hard work and a lot of time on the bench behind Joe Montana. Remember Steve Young in Tampa, U G L Y

The problem with your theory is the accurate. Young isnt there yet. He needs some growing but he was a pretty accurate QB in college. Moreover, like McNabb, Young wants to pass. They have a serious problem of lack of wideouts to catch the ball. In the game against us, they have several drops that would have made it a much more difficult win (though I still think we win that game) had he had even decent receivers.

tndator or whatever his name is, is right. This is a time will tell if he becomes an elite QB. Same with Cutler. Cutler is not a great QB right now. He has all the tools to be one, but time will tell us if he can make the leap.

rovolution · 08-12-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaylore

All I know is when we played him he made every throw on MNF and had four major drops where he hit his guy in stride. I saw nothing in that game that suggested he wasn't accurate.

Against a Broncos defense that made Rex Freaking Grossman look like John Elway

08-12-2008, 05:41 AM	#1
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08-12-2008, 06:54 AM	#2
Borks147 the dude abides... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hanover NH Posts: 1,845	****ing crypt keeper

08-12-2008, 07:18 AM	#3
DukeWoody Happenin Homer Homie Back to the drawing board Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In The Loft / Dog House Posts: 1,151 Adopt-a-Bronco: NEXT BIG STAR	Fugg Clayton and what he thinks! ESPiN can go fugg themselves too!

08-12-2008, 07:28 AM	#4
tnedator Ring of Famer Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,835 Adopt-a-Bronco: He be gone..	We'll see. He has been a playmaker -- especially using his feet. Whether or not he can turn into an elite, all-around QB definately falls under "time will tell"

08-12-2008, 07:37 AM	#5
Dedhed Ring of Famer Fare thee well Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 9,704 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	I predict that after this season it will be impossible for the talking heads to support anyone other than Cutler as the best QB to come out of that draft, and the only "elite" QB of the bunch.

08-12-2008, 07:50 AM	#6
dbfan21 Broncos Fan in Florida Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 2,182 Adopt-a-Bronco: Pat Bowlen	I love flying under the radar!!! Nobody is recognizing the youth and talent Denver has on the team. I hope articles such as this just add fuel to the fire and reall inspire the Broncos to go out there and show the league what they're made of. Here's to Vince and Matt getting all of the national pub and to Jay for being the first to hoist the Lombardi!

08-12-2008, 08:17 AM	#7
no-pseudo-fan True Orange & Blue Follow me... Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: EPT Posts: 2,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Hidalgo	History should serve as a guideline. Running QB's who are not accurate throwers never truly make it. The problem is that these players read their own press clippings and have early success as runners, then the league or a upset linebacker brings them back to the pack. Once they are confronted with having to be a pocket passer, they fall apart. It is more of a domino effect with them, they can no longer run so those throwing windows get smaller, and the INT's come and the confidence leaves. The best of the running QB's was Randall Cunningham, and even he never really made it to elite status, and Young is no Cunningham. Only running QB that made it was Steve Young, and that was due to hard work and a lot of time on the bench behind Joe Montana. Remember Steve Young in Tampa, U G L Y

08-12-2008, 08:30 AM	#10
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	Personally I think Clayton is the best around. As far as Young, I think he'll be a good QB. A Steve McNair type that wins with intangibles and physical play more than being a great thrower. He'll never be great though. I was the one that said Young was going to be a bust in the NFL. I said that I wouldn't select him before the third round and that I would rather have Brodie Croyal and Kellen Clemens over Young..... So I was a little off on that he'll be a good QB in the NFL, just not a great one.

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Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,827	Clayton must have missed the Dogboy Vick show.

08-12-2008, 08:57 AM	#13
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,025 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Young isn't inaccurate, he just makes bad mistakes and doesn't have anyone at receiver. Some of you need to go back and re-watch the MNF game.

08-12-2008, 09:29 AM	#16
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,058 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Where is Alec to defend his boyfriend. They guy can make plays but not in the ways an Elite QB can make plays. Thats the difference. I never trust John Clayton anyways. He was on the debate team or chess team while football practice was going on in school!

08-12-2008, 09:33 AM	#17
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08-12-2008, 10:14 AM	#23
Orange_Beard Over Jay Cutler Todd Snider Rules! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leucadia, CA Posts: 7,836 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tony Scheffler	I think he is right. Not a slam on Jay, he will also be great.