Tuten says TFTP may need another month of segregation to make weight - The Orange Mane

DukeWoody · 07-28-2008, 07:25 PM

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Holland weighs down Broncos' o-line
By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News (Contact)
Originally published 05:18 p.m., July 28, 2008
Updated 05:24 p.m., July 28, 2008

Photo by David Zalubowski/Associated Press

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...roncos-o-line/

There's a lengthy to-do list for Montrae Holland these days.

"Shoot, I'm doing everything," the Broncos guard said Monday. "I'm jogging, treadmill, elliptical, stairmaster, sled, bike . . ."

Noticeably absent from that list is playing football.

Holland spends the half-speed, full-afternoon practices in uniform as a scout-team defensive lineman.

But other than that, there's nothing on the field except off to the side.

The reason: Holland failed to make his reporting weight of 325 pounds when he came to training camp, falling about 10 pounds over his target.

When the 16-game starter from 2007 began working with strength coach Rich Tuten at chipping away at that total, Holland's total-body cramping was a sign that he was dehydrated and that his actual weight was likely higher.

So Holland will spend as long as it takes off to the side, trying to get not only to hit his assigned number but do it in a way that won't shock his body and get him in peak shape so he can handle the rigors of summer practices without endangering himself.

Holland believes it'll take about another week before he'll be back.

Tuten, while saying Holland's timetable isn't impossible, isn't so sure it's realistic, either.

"It's an ongoing process that might take as long as a month," Tuten said. "It has to show up on the scale. Obviously, how we tell guys are overweight is we weigh them every day to see if he's over or under. But right now, I know he'll probably weigh the same for a couple days or maybe a week while his body adjusts because of the hydration he needs."

Holland's problems actually began long before this month.

The rigors of the 2007 season took a toll on him, and he needed time to let his body recover. But by spending most of January through March in limbo, he got heavy, into the 360-pound range.

"Let's just say it was a long trip," Holland said, without specifying a number.

And by the time he joined the off-season conditioning program, it was already an uphill battle.

"I took too much time off," Holland added candidly. "But I had put it all out there during the season and got banged up."

Tuten countered that the player should have done some non-weight-bearing and monitored his diet more closely during that cool-down period.

Instead, when Holland returned to Dove Valley, each time he stepped on the locker-room scale he knew he might be in trouble.

"I dug a hole for myself and I've been dropping weight this off-season but I need to drop more to be where I need to be to perform," he said.

During the first few days of camp, Chris Kuper - the projected starting right tackle - has played right guard in Holland's place, with Ryan Harris getting a shot with the first team at right tackle.

While they clash with defensive linemen, Holland often can be seen on the adjoining artificial turf field, pushing a heavy sled back and forth with Tuten barking instructions. On Sunday, with the turf field at about 125 degrees, the workout went a solid hour and 40 minutes without a water break.

"We're doing this for his own good," Tuten said. "It's not a punishment or anything personal. It's a player we expect a lot out of and to perform at a certain level we don't think he can perform at right now. I'm doing everything I can to help him. I think he appreciates that. He's not really moaned or groaned or complained about what we're doing. The only time he complains is if he physically breaks down because of cramps or something."

Holland called his workouts more taxing than practice but knows it's "serious business. So I have to do it the right way."

At the same time, he hopes his return doesn't come too late to have a chance at starting for a second straight season.

"We'd love to have him out there," Kuper said. "I hope he comes out here as soon as he can. He's working hard every day to come back and play. So we're just staying away from him, letting him do his thing."

And it's that isolation that may kill Holland the most. He actually enjoys wearing his jersey in the afternoon and mimicking a member of the front four for benefit of the offensive line because he gets to be around his teammates and not in his usual current state of isolation.

As for whether he'll have a job waiting for him when he does switch lines to his natural position, Holland expects the Broncos to let the best player play.

"When I come back, I've got to compete. And everybody has to compete, it's the NFL," Holland said. "Right now, I'm competing against myself."

If TFTP is with the team for the next few years, the staff is gonna have to do a better job monitoring him in the offseason to avoid this from happening again...

ludo21 · 07-28-2008, 07:33 PM

You get paid tons of money to stay in shape.

Why these guys cant is beyond me.

CBF1 · 07-28-2008, 07:37 PM

10lbs takes a month? I think he came in alot heavier than they are letting on.

DukeWoody · 07-28-2008, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ludo21

You get paid tons of money to stay in shape.

Why these guys cant is beyond me.

Hey if it was me lucky enough to be in the NFL, i'd be tip top all year round..

broncofan2438 · 07-28-2008, 07:42 PM

wow, that sucks

Hogan11 · 07-28-2008, 07:50 PM

Carb load and he's at weight in 2 weeks

SoDak Bronco · 07-28-2008, 07:52 PM

this isn't a HUGE Deal, obviously it isn't ideal, but say is ready to go, late august, he will have plenty of time to get in the groove of things and get things feeling good.

Sassy · 07-28-2008, 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBF1

10lbs takes a month? I think he came in alot heavier than they are letting on.

Shanahan said 20 in an interview somewhere...

watermock · 07-28-2008, 07:56 PM

I can just see Tuten..."What we have heaa, is a FAILURE to comunicate...Eye don' like it anymore than you do."

RunSilentRunDeep · 07-28-2008, 08:02 PM

An hour and 40 minute workout on 125-degree turf without a water break? Did Tuten get his training license at Caveman U?

elsid13 · 07-28-2008, 08:03 PM

Could you imagine what Alex Gibbs would do to him?

Kaylore · 07-28-2008, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoDak Bronco

this isn't a HUGE Deal

...oh I disagree.

Orange_Beard · 07-28-2008, 08:10 PM

10 lbs seems like it would be a big poo for this guy.

The real question is "does he weigh more then Jamarcus Russell?

cutthemdown · 07-28-2008, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CBF1

10lbs takes a month? I think he came in alot heavier than they are letting on.

there saying he dehydrated himself trying to make weight and that likely it was more then 10 lbs.

it may take him awhile

Inkana7 · 07-28-2008, 09:06 PM

Get him on Tuten's sled. It's heavy. So they say.

tsiguy96 · 07-28-2008, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunSilentRunDeep

An hour and 40 minute workout on 125-degree turf without a water break? Did Tuten get his training license at Caveman U?

im sure tuten knows more about training then you do.

Drek · 07-28-2008, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ludo21

You get paid tons of money to stay in shape.

Why these guys cant is beyond me.

As the article said, he was all banged up and needed time to recoup. He didn't get back on the recoup wagon as quickly as he should have, but he needed at least some time off before he could hit the weights and train hard.

worm · 07-28-2008, 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ludo21

You get paid tons of money to stay in shape.

Why these guys cant is beyond me.

Who are 'these guys'?

Is there a TFTP squad?

tsiguy96 · 07-28-2008, 09:25 PM

its not too hard to understand how someone can fall off for a bit. casey hampton of steelers is having same problem, these guys are huge, the recovery time isnt there like it is for the younger/better shape guys. they cant go at 100% intensity all the time.

spdirty · 07-28-2008, 09:37 PM

he needs to take a bunch of laxatives and stick his finger down his throat...thats what I do...works great.

Los Broncos · 07-28-2008, 10:19 PM

He ain't a player he just crushes a lot.

Man-Goblin · 07-28-2008, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kaylore

...oh I disagree.

Unless that's a liquified cheeseburger in his Gatorade bottle he should be okay; eventually. But the thing that pisses me off the most is that the Broncos' best prospect at RT is missing valuable reps while he's stuck playing RG.

Erik Pears owes Hollandais a steak dinner; er, salad or two.

fdf · 07-28-2008, 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunSilentRunDeep

An hour and 40 minute workout on 125-degree turf without a water break? Did Tuten get his training license at Caveman U?

But it's not punishment.

PRBronco · 07-29-2008, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lynch Mob72

He ain't a player he just crushes a lot.

Must not...continue....lyrics...

summerdenver · 07-29-2008, 01:26 AM

This really sucks. Given how crappy Harris has been playing, I am just surprised that the coaches have not tried Gandy or PJ at RG and moved Kuper to RT

07-28-2008, 07:25 PM	#1
DukeWoody Happenin Homer Homie Back to the drawing board Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: In The Loft / Dog House Posts: 1,151 Adopt-a-Bronco: NEXT BIG STAR	Tuten says TFTP may need another month of segregation to make weight Home › Sports › Broncos & NFL Holland weighs down Broncos' o-line By Lee Rasizer, Rocky Mountain News (Contact) Originally published 05:18 p.m., July 28, 2008 Updated 05:24 p.m., July 28, 2008 Photo by David Zalubowski/Associated Press http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...roncos-o-line/ There's a lengthy to-do list for Montrae Holland these days. "Shoot, I'm doing everything," the Broncos guard said Monday. "I'm jogging, treadmill, elliptical, stairmaster, sled, bike . . ." Noticeably absent from that list is playing football. Holland spends the half-speed, full-afternoon practices in uniform as a scout-team defensive lineman. But other than that, there's nothing on the field except off to the side. The reason: Holland failed to make his reporting weight of 325 pounds when he came to training camp, falling about 10 pounds over his target. When the 16-game starter from 2007 began working with strength coach Rich Tuten at chipping away at that total, Holland's total-body cramping was a sign that he was dehydrated and that his actual weight was likely higher. So Holland will spend as long as it takes off to the side, trying to get not only to hit his assigned number but do it in a way that won't shock his body and get him in peak shape so he can handle the rigors of summer practices without endangering himself. Holland believes it'll take about another week before he'll be back. Tuten, while saying Holland's timetable isn't impossible, isn't so sure it's realistic, either. "It's an ongoing process that might take as long as a month," Tuten said. "It has to show up on the scale. Obviously, how we tell guys are overweight is we weigh them every day to see if he's over or under. But right now, I know he'll probably weigh the same for a couple days or maybe a week while his body adjusts because of the hydration he needs." Holland's problems actually began long before this month. The rigors of the 2007 season took a toll on him, and he needed time to let his body recover. But by spending most of January through March in limbo, he got heavy, into the 360-pound range. "Let's just say it was a long trip," Holland said, without specifying a number. And by the time he joined the off-season conditioning program, it was already an uphill battle. "I took too much time off," Holland added candidly. "But I had put it all out there during the season and got banged up." Tuten countered that the player should have done some non-weight-bearing and monitored his diet more closely during that cool-down period. Instead, when Holland returned to Dove Valley, each time he stepped on the locker-room scale he knew he might be in trouble. "I dug a hole for myself and I've been dropping weight this off-season but I need to drop more to be where I need to be to perform," he said. During the first few days of camp, Chris Kuper - the projected starting right tackle - has played right guard in Holland's place, with Ryan Harris getting a shot with the first team at right tackle. While they clash with defensive linemen, Holland often can be seen on the adjoining artificial turf field, pushing a heavy sled back and forth with Tuten barking instructions. On Sunday, with the turf field at about 125 degrees, the workout went a solid hour and 40 minutes without a water break. "We're doing this for his own good," Tuten said. "It's not a punishment or anything personal. It's a player we expect a lot out of and to perform at a certain level we don't think he can perform at right now. I'm doing everything I can to help him. I think he appreciates that. He's not really moaned or groaned or complained about what we're doing. The only time he complains is if he physically breaks down because of cramps or something." Holland called his workouts more taxing than practice but knows it's "serious business. So I have to do it the right way." At the same time, he hopes his return doesn't come too late to have a chance at starting for a second straight season. "We'd love to have him out there," Kuper said. "I hope he comes out here as soon as he can. He's working hard every day to come back and play. So we're just staying away from him, letting him do his thing." And it's that isolation that may kill Holland the most. He actually enjoys wearing his jersey in the afternoon and mimicking a member of the front four for benefit of the offensive line because he gets to be around his teammates and not in his usual current state of isolation. As for whether he'll have a job waiting for him when he does switch lines to his natural position, Holland expects the Broncos to let the best player play. "When I come back, I've got to compete. And everybody has to compete, it's the NFL," Holland said. "Right now, I'm competing against myself." If TFTP is with the team for the next few years, the staff is gonna have to do a better job monitoring him in the offseason to avoid this from happening again...

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07-28-2008, 07:33 PM	#2
ludo21 RIP Darrent Williams Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Glendale, AZ Posts: 17,898 Adopt-a-Bronco: Paul Ernster	You get paid tons of money to stay in shape. Why these guys cant is beyond me.

07-28-2008, 07:37 PM	#3
CBF1 Ring of Famer No avatar is the new avatar Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: SoCal Posts: 14,907 Adopt-a-Bronco: Jack Del rio	10lbs takes a month? I think he came in alot heavier than they are letting on.

07-28-2008, 07:42 PM	#5
broncofan2438 Faneco this... LETS TAKE BACK THE AFC WEST Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: California Posts: 6,302 Adopt-a-Bronco: ERIC DECKER	wow, that sucks

07-28-2008, 07:50 PM	#6
Hogan11 Rock-N-Roll Historian Let's take these SOB's out!!!!!! Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: W.NY.B.C. Posts: 21,300 Adopt-a-Bronco: Floyd Little	Carb load and he's at weight in 2 weeks

07-28-2008, 07:52 PM	#7
SoDak Bronco Lace em' up and lets go!! Von Miller aka QB Killa Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Dakota Posts: 4,132 Adopt-a-Bronco: Robert Ayers	this isn't a HUGE Deal, obviously it isn't ideal, but say is ready to go, late august, he will have plenty of time to get in the groove of things and get things feeling good.

07-28-2008, 07:56 PM	#9
watermock "Hoodie Jr" "Hug me!" Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Hot Springs, Ouachitah Posts: 77,090	I can just see Tuten..."What we have heaa, is a FAILURE to comunicate...Eye don' like it anymore than you do."

07-28-2008, 08:02 PM	#10
RunSilentRunDeep Ring of Famer I root for laundry Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,403 Adopt-a-Bronco: Matt Prater	An hour and 40 minute workout on 125-degree turf without a water break? Did Tuten get his training license at Caveman U?

07-28-2008, 08:03 PM	#11
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,079	Could you imagine what Alex Gibbs would do to him?

07-28-2008, 08:10 PM	#13
Orange_Beard Over Jay Cutler Todd Snider Rules! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leucadia, CA Posts: 7,836 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tony Scheffler	10 lbs seems like it would be a big poo for this guy. The real question is "does he weigh more then Jamarcus Russell?

07-28-2008, 09:06 PM	#15
Inkana7 Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,229 Adopt-a-Bronco: Derek Wolfe	Get him on Tuten's sled. It's heavy. So they say.

07-28-2008, 09:25 PM	#19
tsiguy96 Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,559 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	its not too hard to understand how someone can fall off for a bit. casey hampton of steelers is having same problem, these guys are huge, the recovery time isnt there like it is for the younger/better shape guys. they cant go at 100% intensity all the time.

07-28-2008, 09:37 PM	#20
spdirty Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bailey Posts: 13,883 Adopt-a-Bronco: Koppen	he needs to take a bunch of laxatives and stick his finger down his throat...thats what I do...works great.

07-28-2008, 10:19 PM	#21
Los Broncos Ring of farmers Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Anaheim Hills, Santa Ana Mountains CA Posts: 18,766 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ryan Clady	He ain't a player he just crushes a lot.

07-29-2008, 01:26 AM	#25
summerdenver Ring of Famer Rebuilding both offense and defense Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,822 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	This really sucks. Given how crappy Harris has been playing, I am just surprised that the coaches have not tried Gandy or PJ at RG and moved Kuper to RT