Obama to Change Position on Iraq Combat Troop Withdrawal and Africa Nation Building - The Orange Mane

Bronco Jamus · 07-08-2008, 11:43 AM

So here is his website:

http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/

"Bring Our Troops Home: Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda. "

But now he plans on consulting actual Military Leaders: (Smart move)

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/0..._obama_070708/

Obama said he would not order any “precipitous” withdrawal of combat forces. Instead, he said, his policy is that “we should be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless in getting in.”

“I have always said that as commander in chief, I would seek the advice and counsel of our generals,” Obama said. But, in the end, “it is the job of commander in chief to set the strategy.”

A strategic factor in the decision to keep forces in Iraq includes, for him, a question about the risk of not having enough combat-ready forces for other operations.

---And what other operations is he refering to? It's no secret that he wants to use our country's resources to get into Africa and start doing some nation building of his own. Hmm does the average Obama supporter under that? Good idea or bad idea? He literally wants to go into Africa and start meddling around with several countries. What's the difference between that and what he denounces from our own past actions?

Here is his section of Africa:

On Africa
Stop the Genocide in Darfur: Barack Obama has been a leading voice urging the Bush Administration to take stronger steps to end the genocide in Sudan. He worked with Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) to pass the Darfur Peace and Accountability Act. Obama has traveled to the United Nations to meet with Sudanese officials and visited refugee camps on the Chad-Sudan border to raise international awareness of the ongoing humanitarian disaster there. He also worked with Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) to secure $20 million for the African Union peacekeeping mission. Obama believes the United States needs to lead the world in ending this genocide, including by imposing much tougher sanctions that target Sudan?s oil revenue, implementing and helping to enforce a no-fly zone, and engaging in more intense, effective diplomacy to develop a political roadmap to peace. The international community must, over the Sudanese regime?s protests, deploy a large, capable UN-led and UN-funded force with a robust enforcement mandate to stop the killings.

End the Conflict in Congo: An estimated 3.9 million people have died from war-related causes since the conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo began. Barack Obama wrote and passed legislation to promote stability in the Congo. Obama revamped U.S. policy in the Congo to include a commitment to help rebuild the country, develop lasting political structures, hold accountable destabilizing foreign governments, crack down on corrupt politicians, and professionalize the military. The bill also authorizes $52 million in U.S. assistance for the Congo.

Bring a Brutal Warlord to Justice: Former Liberian President Charles Taylor has been accused of committing war crimes by international prosecutors. After taking the presidency following a brutal civil war that decimated Liberia's population, Taylor created a rebel group that fought in neighboring Sierra Leone's civil war. These rebels committed a range of atrocities including rape, murder and the use of child soldiers. On July 19, 2005, Obama passed a bipartisan amendment, along with Senators Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Judd Gregg (R-NH) to provide $13 million for the Special Court for Sierra Leone. Signed into law in November 2005, the Obama amendment provides critical funding to keep the Court up and running and dramatically enhances efforts to bring Charles Taylor to justice. Taylor was arrested in 2006. His trial began in June 2007 and was postponed until January 2008.

Hotrod · 07-08-2008, 11:57 AM

Obama is a typical yellow socialist. Just telling the folks what they want to hear and as usual the left follow along like good little sheep.

Hotrod · 07-08-2008, 11:58 AM

In the mean time LAspinfan and Gaff-arino spread lies and deception as if America is all that is evil and wrong with the world. Makes you wonder which side some of them are actually on.

alkemical · 07-08-2008, 12:06 PM

I think i'm pretty fair with my hate.

TailgateNut · 07-08-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

as usual the left follow along like good little sheep.

That's f-in rich, considering the Lemming-like behavior of the right. Bush says "BOO", and all you asshats run to Home Depot to stock up on Duct tape.

Hotrod · 07-08-2008, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by TailgateNut

That's f-in rich, considering the Lemming-like behavior of the right. Bush says "BOO", and all you asshats run to Home Depot to stock up on Duct tape.

But but but Obama stands for Change blah blah blah. The only Change your boy is going to make is in your tax liability. Yippy skippy

peacepipe · 07-08-2008, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrod

But but but Obama stands for Change blah blah blah. The only Change your boy is going to make is in your tax liability. Yippy skippy

Only those making 250,000 or more can expect their taxes to be raised. Which is about 5% of the country.

jhat01 · 07-08-2008, 12:36 PM

All these dudes are ****ing liars plain and simple. Obama was way left for the primary, now he'll scuttle to the middle for the general. McCain is just to senile....I find myself embarrassed for him because he struggles so bad when he's interviewed. But back on topic...Obama is a smart, shifty liar.

Hotrod · 07-08-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe

Only those making 250,000 or more can expect their taxes to be raised. Which is about 5% of the country.

Why do you think that.......because a politician told you so

peacepipe · 07-08-2008, 01:08 PM

Obama has stated as such,but if I were to go by your logic,I wouldn't be able to trust MCCain. afterall, McCain is a politician. So I wouldn't be able to take McCains statements at face value when he says that Obama will raise everyones taxes.

alkemical · 07-08-2008, 01:09 PM

Now you're starting to get it!

Hotrod · 07-08-2008, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by amesj523

Now you're starting to get it!

Exactly

jhat01 · 07-08-2008, 01:27 PM

It's all so tired and monotonous. They are going to trip over each other on their way to the middle. Liars and crooks all!

alkemical · 07-08-2008, 01:37 PM

come on guys - go to therevs thread and tell us WHY you pick the party you did

Bronco Jamus · 07-08-2008, 02:18 PM

Wow. No dicussion as of yet on the fact that Obama:

A) Is changing his stance on troop withdrawal

B) Want's to get involved in African conflicts

Hotrod · 07-08-2008, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bronco Jamus

Wow. No dicussion as of yet on the fact that Obama:

A) Is changing his stance on troop withdrawal

B) Want's to get involved in African conflicts

I doubt that anyone is surprised in the least. Seriously who thought when he first said he would end the war immediatly that it was really going to happen? Only the die hard memebers of the socialist party and a few hippys.

TheReverend · 07-08-2008, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amesj523

come on guys - go to therevs thread and tell us WHY you pick the party you did

Exactly. Plus that dude's penis is huge.

TheReverend · 07-08-2008, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

I doubt that anyone is surprised in the least. Seriously who thought when he first said he would end the war immediatly that it was really going to happen? Only the die hard memebers of the socialist party and a few hippys.

Elect me as Supreme Dictator for Life, and I will fix everything in a week.

alkemical · 07-08-2008, 02:24 PM

Hey you need a pope - pick me.

Hotrod · 07-08-2008, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amesj523

Hey you need a pope - pick me.

I'm thinking you would make a pretty ****ty pope

alkemical · 07-08-2008, 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

I'm thinking you would make a pretty ****ty pope

How is that? Seriously. God didn't make anyone better to be pope. She told me.

Hotrod · 07-08-2008, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amesj523

How is that? Seriously. God didn't make anyone better to be pope. She told me.

I've told you to stop listening to women what are you p***Y whipped

alkemical · 07-08-2008, 02:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

I've told you to stop listening to women what are you p***Y whipped

Dude, have you ever been ****ed by god. You do not forget it.

Hotrod · 07-08-2008, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amesj523

Dude, have you ever been ****ed by god. You do not forget it.

I think I have been quite a few times just not in the good way

alkemical · 07-08-2008, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrod

I think I have been quite a few times just not in the good way

You still didn't forget it, didya?

07-08-2008, 11:43 AM	#1
Bronco Jamus Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 1,636	Obama to Change Position on Iraq Combat Troop Withdrawal and Africa Nation Building So here is his website: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/ "Bring Our Troops Home: Obama will immediately begin to remove our troops from Iraq. He will remove one to two combat brigades each month, and have all of our combat brigades out of Iraq within 16 months. Obama will make it clear that we will not build any permanent bases in Iraq. He will keep some troops in Iraq to protect our embassy and diplomats; if al Qaeda attempts to build a base within Iraq, he will keep troops in Iraq or elsewhere in the region to carry out targeted strikes on al Qaeda. " But now he plans on consulting actual Military Leaders: (Smart move) http://www.navytimes.com/news/2008/0..._obama_070708/ Obama said he would not order any “precipitous” withdrawal of combat forces. Instead, he said, his policy is that “we should be as careful getting out of Iraq as we were careless in getting in.” “I have always said that as commander in chief, I would seek the advice and counsel of our generals,” Obama said. But, in the end, “it is the job of commander in chief to set the strategy.” A strategic factor in the decision to keep forces in Iraq includes, for him, a question about the risk of not having enough combat-ready forces for other operations. ---And what other operations is he refering to? It's no secret that he wants to use our country's resources to get into Africa and start doing some nation building of his own. Hmm does the average Obama supporter under that? Good idea or bad idea? He literally wants to go into Africa and start meddling around with several countries. What's the difference between that and what he denounces from our own past actions? Here is his section of Africa: On Africa Stop the Genocide in Darfur: Barack Obama has been a leading voice urging the Bush Administration to take stronger steps to end the genocide in Sudan. He worked with Senator Sam Brownback (R-KS) to pass the Darfur Peace and Accountability Act. Obama has traveled to the United Nations to meet with Sudanese officials and visited refugee camps on the Chad-Sudan border to raise international awareness of the ongoing humanitarian disaster there. He also worked with Senator Harry Reid (D-NV) to secure $20 million for the African Union peacekeeping mission. Obama believes the United States needs to lead the world in ending this genocide, including by imposing much tougher sanctions that target Sudan?s oil revenue, implementing and helping to enforce a no-fly zone, and engaging in more intense, effective diplomacy to develop a political roadmap to peace. The international community must, over the Sudanese regime?s protests, deploy a large, capable UN-led and UN-funded force with a robust enforcement mandate to stop the killings. End the Conflict in Congo: An estimated 3.9 million people have died from war-related causes since the conflict in the Democratic Republic of the Congo began. Barack Obama wrote and passed legislation to promote stability in the Congo. Obama revamped U.S. policy in the Congo to include a commitment to help rebuild the country, develop lasting political structures, hold accountable destabilizing foreign governments, crack down on corrupt politicians, and professionalize the military. The bill also authorizes $52 million in U.S. assistance for the Congo. Bring a Brutal Warlord to Justice: Former Liberian President Charles Taylor has been accused of committing war crimes by international prosecutors. After taking the presidency following a brutal civil war that decimated Liberia's population, Taylor created a rebel group that fought in neighboring Sierra Leone's civil war. These rebels committed a range of atrocities including rape, murder and the use of child soldiers. On July 19, 2005, Obama passed a bipartisan amendment, along with Senators Chuck Hagel (R-NE), Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Judd Gregg (R-NH) to provide $13 million for the Special Court for Sierra Leone. Signed into law in November 2005, the Obama amendment provides critical funding to keep the Court up and running and dramatically enhances efforts to bring Charles Taylor to justice. Taylor was arrested in 2006. His trial began in June 2007 and was postponed until January 2008. Last edited by Bronco Jamus; 07-08-2008 at 12:18 PM..

07-08-2008, 01:08 PM	#10
peacepipe Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,746 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Obama has stated as such,but if I were to go by your logic,I wouldn't be able to trust MCCain. afterall, McCain is a politician. So I wouldn't be able to take McCains statements at face value when he says that Obama will raise everyones taxes. Last edited by peacepipe; 07-08-2008 at 01:10 PM..

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07-08-2008, 11:57 AM	#2
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	Obama is a typical yellow socialist. Just telling the folks what they want to hear and as usual the left follow along like good little sheep.

07-08-2008, 11:58 AM	#3
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	In the mean time LAspinfan and Gaff-arino spread lies and deception as if America is all that is evil and wrong with the world. Makes you wonder which side some of them are actually on.

07-08-2008, 12:06 PM	#4
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,691 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	I think i'm pretty fair with my hate.

07-08-2008, 12:36 PM	#8
jhat01 Ring of Famer Knuckle Dragging Homer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Langley, VA Posts: 1,799	All these dudes are ****ing liars plain and simple. Obama was way left for the primary, now he'll scuttle to the middle for the general. McCain is just to senile....I find myself embarrassed for him because he struggles so bad when he's interviewed. But back on topic...Obama is a smart, shifty liar.

07-08-2008, 01:09 PM	#11
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,691 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Now you're starting to get it!

07-08-2008, 01:27 PM	#13
jhat01 Ring of Famer Knuckle Dragging Homer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Langley, VA Posts: 1,799	It's all so tired and monotonous. They are going to trip over each other on their way to the middle. Liars and crooks all!

07-08-2008, 01:37 PM	#14
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,691 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	come on guys - go to therevs thread and tell us WHY you pick the party you did

07-08-2008, 02:18 PM	#15
Bronco Jamus Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Denver Posts: 1,636	Wow. No dicussion as of yet on the fact that Obama: A) Is changing his stance on troop withdrawal B) Want's to get involved in African conflicts

07-08-2008, 02:24 PM	#19
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,691 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	Hey you need a pope - pick me.