Shannon Sharpe on NFL top tight ends...

[Blueflame]

Originally Posted by rovolution

Disagree.

This is the exact reason why Cris Carter is not a HOFer and will struggle to get into Canton for atleast some time.

Shannon will be there next year.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

Yeah Bob. If NFLN put Gonzo ahead you'd be here blowing your load all over the place.

I don't even watch NFLN. It's become quite boring.

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

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Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

No, it proves some idiots at NFL Network don't know what the hell they're talking about.

Gonzalez redefined the tight end position while Sharpe choked on his dust.

It does prove your statement that "only Bronco fans would put Shannon Sharpe ahead of Gonzo" is not true, unless you would like to start up a conspiracy that all of the NFLN are Bronco fans.

And that would be tough to prove considering that 75% of NFLN's highlights on Sharpe had him in a Ravens uniform, including the circus juggle catch he made against Denver in the playoffs back in 2001.

[Wes Mantooth]

Originally Posted by BigPlayShay

Not to mention "blocking" for a 2,000 yard rusher in 98.

I don't remember Shannon really blocking ever.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by yoakum3

I don't remember Shannon really blocking ever.

Much as I love him, it's comparable to Deion's tackling.

[Jetmeck]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Gonzalez should be in the top five at least, if not the top three. That's horrible.

Hi you little weasel. Just as NFL NETWORK said try winning a SB once or twice or even three times as Shannon did. Right or wrong that will usually move you up the list. Course as long as Gonzo stays in KC that's not likely is it ?

[XXXshogunXXX]

heh..funny how alot of you hated us chugger fans, and were embracing bob in the Rivers thread. Suddenly, he was a knowledgable poster with more football insight because of his jay cutler sucking..... now that you offended his gonzo, you guys are reminding him about chiefsplanet.

[DHallblows]

Originally Posted by XXXshogunXXX

heh..funny how alot of you hated us chugger fans, and were embracing bob in the Rivers thread. Suddenly, he was a knowledgable poster with more football insight because of his jay cutler sucking..... now that you offended his gonzo, you guys are reminding him about chiefsplanet.

...duh? You're both trolls...

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

None taken because I didn't say that. I never once questioned the value of downfield blocking, i implied that when i think about terrell's 2,000 yard season, Shannon Sharpe's blocking doesnt come to mind and it's stupid to add that to the best TE ever argument.

I just disagree man. While Shannon's blocking wasn't dominant, he was effective at blocking enough for the play to be successful.

[SoonerBronco]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

No, I posed the question when did he have an epic, 100-catch season?

He didn't. He didn't live up to the future standard Gonzalez would set while surrounded by castoffs like Derrick Alexander and Kevin Lockett, while catching passes from Elvis ****ing Grbac.

Gonzalez > Sharpe. I win.

Alexander was a first rounder in '97(29th pic) and you turds picked Lockett in the second round of that same draft (47th). Alexander had two 65 catch seasons before coming to the Chiefs. Not as much of a cast off as you would like them to be.

Sharpe > Gonzo = I win

[lex]

Originally Posted by crazyhorse

You guys will have a tough time actually generating a reasonable arguement of how Sharpe is better than Gonzo.

Especially arguing who was the better "all around" TE.

I remember Sharpe publicly whining about blocking. He just wanted to catch balls. Which is okay. But Gonzo has been a better TE. Sharpe had the luxury of a better QB for most of his carreer. He also had the luxury of having pro bowl WRs on the team to take the pressure off him. Gonzo has never enjoyed the luxuries Sharpe has. Yet he is generating better numbers in his carreer. Not to mention the fact that Gonzo is a better blocker.

Like I said earlier, I think Sharpe was more fluid than Gonzalez. And for that reason, I think there is/was more you could do to Gonzalez than Sharpe. I Gonzalez gets a lot out of body position because of his basketball background, but Sharpe utilized that and plus there was more ease of movement with Sharpe.

[Gcver2ver3]

You're crazy if you don't realize Sharpe is the best ever...

No one has the resume Shannon Sharpe does...

He clearly has the receiving numbers...he put up numbers WRs could only dream of...he blows every other TEs numbers out of the water with the exception of Gonzo...

Now add in Sharpe's impact...this is what separartes him from Gonzo and the rest of the field...to go with Sharpe's gaudy numbers is the fact that he was a big part of winning 3 championships...he CARRIED the Ravens offense in the playoffs...

Now Sharpe wasn't a great blocker but with all his other accomplishments his blocking is just good enough to have him certainly at the top spot for all-time TE status...

Dikta, Winslow, & Mackey had big impacts, while Gonzo has the numbers, but only Sharpe has both...

Sharpe has the numbers, Pro Bowls, leadership, and maybe most importantly...3 rings...

Sharpe is clearly the best TE ever...anyone to think otherwise is misinformed...

[lex]

Originally Posted by gcver2ver3

You're crazy if you don't realize Sharpe is the best ever...

No one has the resume Shannon Sharpe does...

He clearly has the receiving numbers...he put up numbers WRs could only dream of...he blows every other TEs numbers out of the water with the exception of Gonzo...

Now add in Sharpe's impact...this is what separartes him from Gonzo and the rest of the field...to go with Sharpe's gaudy numbers is the fact that he was a big part of winning 3 championships...he CARRIED the Ravens offense in the playoffs...

Now Sharpe wasn't a great blocker but with all his other accomplishments his blocking is just good enough to have him certainly at the top spot for all-time TE status...

Dikta, Winslow, & Mackey had big impacts, while Gonzo has the numbers, but only Sharpe has both...

Sharpe has the numbers, Pro Bowls, leadership, and maybe most importantly...3 rings...

Sharpe is clearly the best TE ever...anyone to think otherwise is misinformed...

Say what you want about Sharpes blocking but he did block for one of the best rushing attacks in the history of the league. You can attribute it more to having WRs that were willing blockers or you can attribute that more to schematics , and that might be true but obviously its hard to fault a guy for his blocking when your RB is averaging 1900 yards during super bowl seasons. Not only that but Baltimore relied heavily on the run.

[Gcver2ver3]

Originally Posted by lex

Say what you want about Sharpes blocking but he did block for one of the best rushing attacks in the history of the league. You can attribute it more to having WRs that were willing blockers or you can attribute that more to schematics , and that might be true but obviously its hard to fault a guy for his blocking when your RB is averaging 1900 yards during super bowl seasons. Not only that but Baltimore relied heavily on the run.

okay...but my bigger point is Sharpe is the greatest all-time...

that's what really needs to stressed....

with that said, i didn't say Sharpe wasn't a good blocker...but he wasn't a great blocker by any means...he was a solid blocker...he worked hard at improving that aspect of his game and he did a good job of improving his blocking...

but like i said...Sharpe is the best ever....bar none...

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Originally Posted by gcver2ver3

okay...but my bigger point is Sharpe is the greatest all-time...

that's what really needs to stressed....

with that said, i didn't say Sharpe wasn't a good blocker...but he wasn't a great blocker by any means...he was a solid blocker...he worked hard at improving that aspect of his game and he did a good job of improving his blocking...

but like i said...Sharpe is the best ever....bar none...

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BTW Shannon turns 40 a week from today.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by gcver2ver3

You're crazy if you don't realize Sharpe is the best ever...

No one has the resume Shannon Sharpe does...

He clearly has the receiving numbers...he put up numbers WRs could only dream of...he blows every other TEs numbers out of the water with the exception of Gonzo...

Now add in Sharpe's impact...this is what separartes him from Gonzo and the rest of the field...to go with Sharpe's gaudy numbers is the fact that he was a big part of winning 3 championships...he CARRIED the Ravens offense in the playoffs...

Now Sharpe wasn't a great blocker but with all his other accomplishments his blocking is just good enough to have him certainly at the top spot for all-time TE status...

Dikta, Winslow, & Mackey had big impacts, while Gonzo has the numbers, but only Sharpe has both...

Sharpe has the numbers, Pro Bowls, leadership, and maybe most importantly...3 rings...

Sharpe is clearly the best TE ever...anyone to think otherwise is misinformed...

Again, you would be right if the question was "Who is the greatest pass-catching tight end" and then the list would look like this:

1. Sharpe
2. Winslow
3. Gonzo
4. Gates
5. The Wizard of Oz
6. Casper
7. etc...

However it's not. It's the best TE overall and tight ends do more than catch patches. I know everyone here gets furious when a Bronco isn't rated number 1 ( like somehow that means they suck? I mean we're talking about HOF players here. They were all the best of their era and one in a life time players) but playing TE is more than catching passes. You definitely need to do that well, but if you're deficient in the other areas then you cannot be the best. The best TE with the most complete game, the one did everything well, was Mackey. Everyone and their mom will tell you this that doesn't wear a Broncos Jersey. He blocked like a tackle, he caught passes with the best and he broke tackles like Brandon Marshall. His game was complete unlike Sharpe's and his numbers receiving are more reflective of the offenses of the time than Sharpe being "better" than him.

[lex]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Again, you would be right if the question was "Who is the greatest pass-catching tight end" and then the list would look like this:

1. Sharpe
2. Winslow
3. Gonzo
4. Gates
5. The Wizard of Oz
6. Casper
7. etc...

However it's not. It's the best TE overall and tight ends do more than catch patches. I know everyone here gets furious when a Bronco isn't rated number 1 ( like somehow that means they suck? I mean we're talking about HOF players here. They were all the best of their era and one in a life time players) but playing TE is more than catching passes. You definitely need to do that well, but if you're deficient in the other areas then you cannot be the best. The best TE with the most complete game, the one did everything well, was Mackey. Everyone and their mom will tell you this that doesn't wear a Broncos Jersey. He blocked like a tackle, he caught passes with the best and he broke tackles like Brandon Marshall. His game was complete unlike Sharpe's and his numbers receiving are more reflective of the offenses of the time than Sharpe being "better" than him.

"Best" is an arbitrary exercise. In other words, people can weight it towards pass catching as much as they want. Blocking and pass catching doesnt have to be weighted evenly.

Wow. Some of the things that need to be explained to people.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by lex

"Best" is an arbitrary exercise. In other words, people can weight it towards pass catching as much as they want. Blocking and pass catching doesnt have to be weighted evenly.

Wow. Some of the things that need to be explained to people.

Ok cool. Then in that case Brett Favre is the greatest QB of all time because I've decided that stats are the only thing to measure a QB on because I feel like it.

[lex]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Ok cool. Then in that case Brett Favre is the greatest QB of all time because I've decided that stats are the only thing to measure a QB on because I feel like it.

Like I said, its an arbitrary exercise.

[Gcver2ver3]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

Again, you would be right if the question was "Who is the greatest pass-catching tight end" and then the list would look like this:

1. Sharpe
2. Winslow
3. Gonzo
4. Gates
5. The Wizard of Oz
6. Casper
7. etc...

However it's not. It's the best TE overall and tight ends do more than catch patches. I know everyone here gets furious when a Bronco isn't rated number 1 ( like somehow that means they suck? I mean we're talking about HOF players here. They were all the best of their era and one in a life time players) but playing TE is more than catching passes. You definitely need to do that well, but if you're deficient in the other areas then you cannot be the best. The best TE with the most complete game, the one did everything well, was Mackey. Everyone and their mom will tell you this that doesn't wear a Broncos Jersey. He blocked like a tackle, he caught passes with the best and he broke tackles like Brandon Marshall. His game was complete unlike Sharpe's and his numbers receiving are more reflective of the offenses of the time than Sharpe being "better" than him.

I thought I clearly explained that Sharpe did do more than pas catch...

he was a leader...and an underrated blocker...

he won championships....

Sharpe was very effective after the catch and he was SUCH an outstanding receiving threat that it trumps any other aspect that other TEs may barely edge him out in...

There is Shannon Sharpe and then there's everybody else...

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