Shannon Sharpe on NFL top tight ends...

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by Inkana7

Gonzo....was often game planned for exclusively.

Advantage Gonzalez.

The sharing the ball thing is total bull****. It's an argument in Gonzalez's FAVOR. You might have a point if Elway had been attempting 300 passes. As it was, he was attempting 500. There were plenty of balls to go around.

[lex]

Originally Posted by KCStud

Nobody in Denver...let's not forget people. Gonzo didn't have one of the best QB's throwing him the ball. Gonzo has always been KC's best target since we never had a legit WR and defense's knew that for years and he STILL puts up the numbers every single year despite being triple teamed. The best QB Gonzo had was Green who went to one pro bowl. That's it.
Gonzo also didn't have the luxury of Rod Smith and Ed McCaffrey taking pressure off of him.
Do you really think Sharpe could have put up anything close to what Gonzo has if he was in the same situation doing everything by himself year after year of being triple teamed?

Yes. Sharpe was more fluid than Gonzo.

[Inkana7]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Advantage Gonzalez.

The sharing the ball thing is total bull****. It's an argument in Gonzalez's FAVOR. You might have a point if Elway had been attempting 300 passes. As it was, he was attempting 500. There were plenty of balls to go around.

Sure, Bobo, sure.

[tsiguy96]

lets put it this way. chiefs fans will never say sharpe was better, broncos fans will never say gonzalez was better, chargers fans will never say either are better then gates.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Can someone tell me why Sharpe wasn't putting up 100-catch seasons BEFORE Rod Smith and Ed McCaffery? What was the excuse then?

[tsiguy96]

now back to the subject, why the hell did nfl films act as if sharpe was a raven for life?

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by tsiguy96

now back to the subject, why the hell did nfl films act as if sharpe was a raven for life?

I watched this yesterday and most of the sound clips were from the Broncos including the (in)famous "we are killing the Patriots" line. It was about half and half. I didn't notice too many clips from his days wearing the orange Jersey and those are some of his best moments. Anyway it was a good segment and hard to disagree with their overall ranking. I think Coates should have made the list, though.

[Play2win]

SHARPE is a CHAMPION...


Gonzo is a loser... just for the sad fact that he plays for the kc QWEEFS...

[Atwater His Ass]

I truely feel bad for gonzo having to play for that **** franchise his entire career. He deserved much better than to be a chef for life.

[BigPlayShay]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Do you know what kind of numbers Tony Gonzalez would have put up with John Elway, Rod Smith and Ed McCaffery playing around him?

Ironically, Sharpe's best statistical game was when he was 34 years old, in his 2nd to last season, with Griese throwing him the ball (12 catches, NFL record 214 yards, and 2 TDs) in your house against your Chiefs.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Can someone tell me why Sharpe wasn't putting up 100-catch seasons BEFORE Rod Smith and Ed McCaffery? What was the excuse then?

Reeves and Wade spring to mind...

[BigPlayShay]

Originally Posted by Bob's your Information Minister

Can someone tell me why Sharpe wasn't putting up 100-catch seasons BEFORE Rod Smith and Ed McCaffery? What was the excuse then?

He's never had a 100 catch season. However, he did have his 2 highest catch seasons (81 in 93, 87 in 94) under Wade Phillips, and he was surrounded by the likes Derek Russel, Vance Johnson, and Arthur Marshall.

Nice try though Bobby.

[KCStud]

Rings don't make a player better than another. It's a team effort. And KC had an elite offense for 4 years. The difference was that Sharpe actually had a defense to go with the teams high powered offense.
How is that Gonzo's fault?

I still think that Kellen Winslow of SD was the best TE of all time. I don't think Gonzo is the best, but he is certainly in the top 5 and a legit top 3 TE as well.

Both of them had great careers. When you hear people saying "that guy has changed the TE position" you know you deserve to be in the HOF.

[FADERPROOF]

Originally Posted by Kaylore

All you have to do is see what the other tight ends did. Ditka, Mackey those guys caught passes with great ability, but they broke tackles like running backs, and they blocked like linemen. Sharpe was one of the greatest, but the top spots should go to the tight ends with the most complete game.

That has been my argument when "best current TE" conversations arise and I say Jason Witten.

Everyone says Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates or even now Kellen Winslow Jr. but if I had to pick any current TE then I'd go with Jason Witten.

[Inkana7]

Originally Posted by FADERPROOF

That has been my argument when "best current TE" conversations arise and I say Jason Witten.

Everyone says Tony Gonzalez or Antonio Gates or even now Kellen Winslow Jr. but if I had to pick any current TE then I'd go with Jason Witten.

Agree. Witten is a beast. Heap is probably up there too. We tend to forget about him because he was hurt last year.

[Inkana7]

Originally Posted by BigPlayShay

He's never had a 100 catch season. However, he did have his 2 highest catch seasons (81 in 93, 87 in 94) under Wade Phillips, and he was surrounded by the likes Derek Russel, Vance Johnson, and Arthur Marshall.

Nice try though Bobby.

Own'd. Hardcore.

[crazyhorse]

You guys will have a tough time actually generating a reasonable arguement of how Sharpe is better than Gonzo.

Especially arguing who was the better "all around" TE.

I remember Sharpe publicly whining about blocking. He just wanted to catch balls. Which is okay. But Gonzo has been a better TE. Sharpe had the luxury of a better QB for most of his carreer. He also had the luxury of having pro bowl WRs on the team to take the pressure off him. Gonzo has never enjoyed the luxuries Sharpe has. Yet he is generating better numbers in his carreer. Not to mention the fact that Gonzo is a better blocker.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Reeves and Wade spring to mind...

Tony G excelled despite his dumbass coaches. Try again.

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by BigPlayShay

He's never had a 100 catch season. However, he did have his 2 highest catch seasons (81 in 93, 87 in 94) under Wade Phillips, and he was surrounded by the likes Derek Russel, Vance Johnson, and Arthur Marshall.

BZZZZZZZZZZZT. Try again. Tony G already wins the "surrounded by inferior talent" argument.

You guys are just homering off about your beloved "tight end." Gonzalez is more talented than Sharpe, will finish with more production than Sharpe, and was a better all-around player than Sharpe. He also wasn't a loudmouth jackass. Did I mention he made a lot more money and looked better in his uniform? And he didn't have a horse face.

[Blueflame]

Why are we allowing Chefs fans to hijack a Shannon Sharpe thread to the extent that it actually needs to be renamed "Tony Gonzalez discussion thread"?

[Bob's your Information Minister]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Why are we allowing Chefs fans to hijack a Shannon Sharpe thread to the extent that it actually needs to be renamed "Tony Gonzalez discussion thread"?

Evil will always triumph because good is dumb!

[Flex Gunmetal]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Why are we allowing Chefs fans to hijack a Shannon Sharpe thread to the extent that it actually needs to be renamed "Tony Gonzalez discussion thread"?

We need a Cheeps discussion section for these bozos to troll around in.

[Blueflame]

Back on topic.

[Sassy]

Originally Posted by Blueflame

Back on topic.

Nice butt shot Blue!

[Blueflame]