Hole in the Ozone helps?

[snowspot66]

More research confirming the fact that we don't really know what the hell we're doing or what's going on.

http://io9.com/5016116/repairing-the...global-warming

A vast hole in Earth's ozone layer yawns open every summer over Antarctica. Since atmospheric ozone shields us from a lot of ultraviolet radiation, losing it means a lot more mutations. But as bad as that sounds, repairing the hole could mean destroying the planet. Now scientists from Columbia University have discovered that the ozone hole is actually keeping the antarctic cold, slowing the erosion of ice sheets like the Larsen Ice Shelf (pictured), which began to crumble this year due to elevated temperatures. It could be that the hole is all that stands between us and a completely melted south pole.

Remember when we had to save the ozone so we wouldn't all fry?

Well what's next?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

Originally Posted by snowspot66

More research confirming the fact that we don't really know what the hell we're doing or what's going on.

http://io9.com/5016116/repairing-the...global-warming



Remember when we had to save the ozone so we wouldn't all fry?

Well what's next?

It should be noted that in that article it says that this screwy new finding and weather pattern are due to global warming. Your post comes off as one of those "Global Warming doesn't exist" threads. Though im sure you didnt mean it that way

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by snowspot66

More research confirming the fact

More research, are you kidding?

[snowspot66]

No I'm not kidding. We don't know what the hell is going on or what we are doing one way or another. Personally I don't think Global warming is man made. I do however think we should take serious steps to reduce pollution and become more environmentally friendly. It makes sense from an environmental standpoint and an economic one. Technology is rapidly making Green good for the wallet. Very good for the wallet actually.

My point was that we don't know what the hell is happening. This just confirms it. Yet another variable we have to take into account and we can't even make sense of the information we had before.

I tire of people bickering over the issue and stating facts as if we know what's happening. We don't. The scare tactics end result is just a bunch of bad policy. Corn based Ethanol anyone?

[SonOfLe-loLang]

How many more scientists have to come on board to say we are adding to the problem before people start believing it.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by snowspot66

No I'm not kidding. We don't know what the hell is going on or what we are doing one way or another. Personally I don't think Global warming is man made. I do however think we should take serious steps to reduce pollution and become more environmentally friendly. It makes sense from an environmental standpoint and an economic one. Technology is rapidly making Green good for the wallet. Very good for the wallet actually.

My point was that we don't know what the hell is happening. This just confirms it. Yet another variable we have to take into account and we can't even make sense of the information we had before.

I tire of people bickering over the issue and stating facts as if we know what's happening. We don't. The scare tactics end result is just a bunch of bad policy. Corn based Ethanol anyone?

Maybe you don't know what is going on but anyone with elementary reading comprehension has a pretty good idea. Do you have a problem with science?

[kappys]

Originally Posted by snowspot66

More research confirming the fact that we don't really know what the hell we're doing or what's going on.

http://io9.com/5016116/repairing-the...global-warming



Remember when we had to save the ozone so we wouldn't all fry?

Well what's next?

Then again Aukland New Zealand with its close proximity to Antarctica gets to enjoy its status as the country with the highest rate of melanoma per capita in the world. At least they are staying cool though.

[Bronco Bob]

Originally Posted by snowspot66

More research confirming the fact that we don't really know what the hell we're doing or what's going on.

http://io9.com/5016116/repairing-the...global-warming

Remember when we had to save the ozone so we wouldn't all fry?

Well what's next?

How does letting more UV reach the surface of the earth make it colder?
That seems like a physical impossibility. Common sense would tell you
that the more radiation hitting something, the warmer it gets.
For example, when do you feel hotter, standing out in the direct
sunlight, or sitting under a tree?

[Dukes]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

How many more scientists have to come on board to say we are adding to the problem before people start believing it.

You mean scientists like these?

http://www.petitionproject.com/

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Dukes

You mean scientists like these?

http://www.petitionproject.com/

Anyone can sign a flat earth Internet blog.

[Dukes]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Anyone can sign a flat earth Internet blog.

You're right, any scientist can. Which is why there is over 37,000

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Dukes

You're right, any scientist can. Which is why there is over 37,000

No, any ONE. They have no verification process, get it?

[Dukes]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

No, any ONE. They have no verification process, get it?

I get it, but you're point is moot. Over 30,000 people have signed it with a scientific background. So while anyone can sign it, it's scientists who actually are.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Dukes

I get it, but you're point is moot. Over 30,000 people have signed it with a scientific background. So while anyone can sign it, it's scientists who actually are.

The rest of your post means nothing in light of that fact.

[Dukes]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

The rest of your post means nothing in light of that fact.

Not really, considering you have to actually have a scientific background to get on the list. Sure you can sign it, but who says they'll add it? If what you believe is actually true, the number would be in the millions, not the thousands.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Dukes

Not really, considering you have to actually have a scientific background to get on the list. Sure you can sign it, but who says they'll add it? If what you believe is actually true, the number would be in the millions, not the thousands.

Says who, what part don't you understand about anyone can sign up as an "expert" without verification on that site?

[Bronco_Beerslug]

A little research shows how bogus these people really are...

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Signatories

Because of various criticisms made of the two Leipzig Declarations, the Oregon Petition Project claimed to adopt a number of measures, though none of these claims have been independently verified:

• The petitioners could submit responses only by physical mail, not electronic mail, to limit fraud. Older signatures submitted via the web were not removed. The verification of the scientists was listed at 95%,^[2] but the means by which this verification was done is not specified.
• Signatories to the petition were requested to list an academic degree; 86% did list a degree. The petition sponsors stated that approximately two thirds held higher degrees, but provided no details confirming this claim.
• Petitioners were also requested to list their academic discipline. The petition sponsors state that 2,660 scientists were trained in physical or environmental sciences (physics, geophysics, climatology, meteorology, oceanography, or environmental science) while 25% were trained in chemistry, biochemistry, biology, or other life sciences.^[2]
• The Petition Project itself avoided any funding or association with the energy industries.

The term "scientists" is often used in describing signatories. The petition requests signatories list their degree (B.S., M.S., or Ph.D.) and to list their scientific field.^[3] The distribution of petitions was relatively uncontrolled: those receiving the petition could check a line that said "send more petition cards for me to distribute". In addition, of the claimed signatures, there are more signers with degrees in general engineering (9,751) than in Atmosphere, Earth, & Environment sciences combined (3,697), and 40 climatologists.
The Petition Project itself used to state:

“

Of the 19,700 signatures that the project has received in total so far, 17,800 have been independently verified and the other 1,900 have not yet been independently verified. Of those signers holding the degree of PhD, 95% have now been independently verified. One name that was sent in by enviro pranksters, Geri Halliwell, PhD, has been eliminated. Several names, such as Perry Mason and Robert Byrd are still on the list even though enviro press reports have ridiculed their identity with the names of famous personalities. They are actual signers. Perry Mason, for example, is a PhD Chemist.[2]

”

In May 1998 the Seattle Times wrote:

“

Several environmental groups questioned dozens of the names: "Perry S. Mason" (the fictitious lawyer?), "Michael J. Fox" (the actor?), "Robert C. Byrd" (the senator?), "John C. Grisham" (the lawyer-author?). And then there's the Spice Girl, a k a. Geraldine Halliwell: The petition listed "Dr. Geri Halliwell" and "Dr. Halliwell." Asked about the pop singer, Robinson said he was duped. The returned petition, one of thousands of mailings he sent out, identified her as having a degree in microbiology and living in Boston. "It's fake," he said.[17]

”

In 2005, Scientific American reported:

“

Scientific American took a sample of 30 of the 1,400 signatories claiming to hold a Ph.D. in a climate-related science. Of the 26 we were able to identify in various databases, 11 said they still agreed with the petition —- one was an active climate researcher, two others had relevant expertise, and eight signed based on an informal evaluation. Six said they would not sign the petition today, three did not remember any such petition, one had died, and five did not answer repeated messages. Crudely extrapolating, the petition supporters include a core of about 200 climate researchers – a respectable number, though rather a small fraction of the climatological community.[18]

”

In a 2005 op-ed in the Hawaii Reporter, Todd Shelly wrote:

“

In less than 10 minutes of casual scanning, I found duplicate names (Did two Joe R. Eaglemans and two David Tompkins sign the petition, or were some individuals counted twice?), single names without even an initial (Biolchini), corporate names (Graybeal & Sayre, Inc. How does a business sign a petition?), and an apparently phony single name (Redwine, Ph.D.). These examples underscore a major weakness of the list: there is no way to check the authenticity of the names. Names are given, but no identifying information (e.g., institutional affiliation) is provided. Why the lack of transparency?[19]

”

[edit] Updated campaign

In October 2007 a number of individuals reported receiving a petition closely similar to the Oregon Petition.^[20] As with the earlier version, it contained a six-paragraph covering note from Frederick Seitz along with a reply card and a supporting article. The text of the reply card is identical to the previous petition. Below the text is a signature line, a set of tick boxes for the signatory to state their academic degree (B.S., M.S., Ph.D.) and field, and another tick box stating "Please send more petition cards for me to distribute." This renewed distribution has continued until at least February, 2008.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Hole in the Ozone helps?

[orangeatheist]

Originally Posted by SonOfLe-loLang

How many more scientists have to come on board to say we are adding to the problem before people start believing it.

I'm not feelin' it.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...y.SenateReport

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...5-3DCE4095C360

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...a-b35d0842fed8

[Hotrod]

I signed the list twice.

[kappys]

Originally Posted by snowspot66

More research confirming the fact that we don't really know what the hell we're doing or what's going on.

http://io9.com/5016116/repairing-the...global-warming



Remember when we had to save the ozone so we wouldn't all fry?

Well what's next?

Again, New Zealand, melanoma.