Pew research crowns MSNBC the most positive network for Hillary Clinton - The Orange Mane

BroncoBuff · 06-07-2008, 08:38 PM

Gosh ... I hope Rohirrim stops by this thread.

MSNBC

All three major candidates had most success in projecting their message about character on MSNBC. Obama and Clinton received roughly equally positive narratives (70% for Obama and 72% for Clinton). The tilt was not as heavily for McCain (53%) but that was still better coverage than he received on either of the other two cable channels.

The Clinton campaign had MSNBC to thank for a greater portion of statements disputing the concept that she is unlikable, 22% on MSNBC versus 13% on CNN and 12% on Fox News.

For McCain, two factors contributed to his more positive image. First, MSNBC gave more attention than the other cable channels to his appeal to independents and moderates (22% versus 13% on CNN and 11% on Fox News.) In addition, MSNBC focused less on criticisms of him as not reliably conservative. Just 39% of MSNBC’s assertions about McCain were on this topic compared to 49% on Fox News and 46% on CNN.

The biggest factor for Obama’s positive coverage on MSNBC was less coverage of the assertion that he is too inexperienced to be president. Only 7% of the Obama themes on MSNBC made this claim compared with 17% on Fox News and 19% on CNN. In our study of the first three months of the campaign in 2007 and again in the primary season of 2008, we found that MSNBC has been consistently more positive to all of the candidates than any other cable channel.

http://www.journalism.org/node/11275

BroncoBuff · 06-07-2008, 08:41 PM

MSNBC was about DEAD-EVEN between positive reporting for Clinton and Obama.

Looks like CNN was the real Hillary whore ... 11% more often positive for her than Obama.

cutthemdown · 06-07-2008, 08:44 PM

Obvioulsy this shows how negative people have been towards McCain. I have a feeling this election is going to be really lopsided in that regard.

I still feel though McCain has a very good chance to be President.

SoCalBronco · 06-07-2008, 09:05 PM

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I still feel though McCain has a very good chance to be President.

Hopefully

Bronco_Beerslug · 06-07-2008, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Hopefully

Yes, I guess we can all hope for a never ending occupation of Iraq, if that's what serves this country best.

SoCalBronco · 06-07-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Yes, I guess we can all hope for a never ending occupation of Iraq, if that's what serves this country best.

God forbid anyone disagree with your views.

BroncoBuff · 06-07-2008, 09:50 PM

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God forbid anyone disagree with your views.

SoCal, the last week has been HELL on pro-Iraq war positions. The Congressional/CIA report on the administration's war was scathing, and McClellan's book was an insider's acoount of exactly what we'd all been thinking. Hasn't the past week moved you at all?

Bronco_Beerslug · 06-07-2008, 10:42 PM

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God forbid anyone disagree with your views.

What, you don't have an Iraq invasion and occupation rebuttal of substance or just pressed for time?

cutthemdown · 06-07-2008, 10:52 PM

Well If Obama does win and we pull out it he will be responsible for what Iraq becomes without American troops there. In the end I think he will realize thats a political loser and keep a base there. He will say committments have been made that make me unable to pull all American troops out etc etc.

He will IMO drastically reduce the amount though but not a complete pullout.

SoCalBronco · 06-08-2008, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BroncoBuff

SoCal, the last week has been HELL on pro-Iraq war positions. The Congressional/CIA report on the administration's war was scathing, and McClellan's book was an insider's acoount of exactly what we'd all been thinking. Hasn't the past week moved you at all?

When did I say I was pro-war?

Just because I am a strong supporter of McCain doesn't mean I am pro-war.

Odysseus · 06-08-2008, 01:56 AM

I think the way Hillary lost was tragic for her because it wasn't decisive. Right now the Clinton reputation has taken a double dose of damage. Chelsea is already being groomed for ascension to the throne because Hillary is not coming back from this.

I think the acerbic nature of Clinton politics has essentially "come home to roost" and a lot of the old guard are passing soon.

Odysseus · 06-08-2008, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Well If Obama does win and we pull out it he will be responsible for what Iraq becomes without American troops there. In the end I think he will realize thats a political loser and keep a base there. He will say committments have been made that make me unable to pull all American troops out etc etc.

He will IMO drastically reduce the amount though but not a complete pullout.

The military, congress, and most of the major contracting companies are scrambling right now. It's hilarious. They can't clean things up fast enough.

If McCain is president I don't see anything good happening in Iraq because I don't have any confidence in him at all.

If Obama is president I don't see anything good happening in Iraq because the war machine does not like being slowed down let alone stopped.

If I were him I would issue a three pronged attack just to get the conversation started:

First he should request a congressional investigation into contracting irregularities which should include the lobbyist who set this up. There is a world of hurt there that doesn't make the light of day.

Second he should force the Army to detail why they need the number of people they need. There are entire bases dedicated to maintaining soldiers who don't even have a freaking mission here. The huge amount of overlap and redundancy is ridiculous.

Third he needs to meet privately with Pretraus and just listen. There is a smart way to reduce our foot print substantially if we wanted to. We've just lacked the leadership to ask that question.

Pseudofool · 06-08-2008, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

When did I say I was pro-war?

Just because I am a strong supporter of McCain doesn't mean I am pro-war.

What else is McCain running on? Sometimes it's best to put ones ideological concerns aside and realize that the platform recent Republicans are running on is NOT conservative (at least in the classic sense). McCain will be a big gov't, high defense guy. How can he possibly balance a budget without eliminating the Bush Tax cuts OR ending the war? He won't be able to gut domestic spending (which has already been cut to ribbons by years of conservative rule) with a Democratic Congress.

I can see why someone vote for McCain, but the realization of an effective McCain presidency is a pipedream. I mean what do McCain supporters honestly think he will accomplish in four years?

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 06-08-2008, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Yes, I guess we can all hope for a never ending occupation of Iraq, if that's what serves this country best.

Exactly.

If you're happy with the direction Bush has taken America for the last eight years, then McSame is your man.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 06-08-2008, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pseudofool

What else is McCain running on? Sometimes it's best to put ones ideological concerns aside and realize that the platform recent Republicans are running on is NOT conservative (at least in the classic sense). McCain will be a big gov't, high defense guy. How can he possibly balance a budget without eliminating the Bush Tax cuts OR ending the war? He won't be able to gut domestic spending (which has already been cut to ribbons by years of conservative rule) with a Democratic Congress.

I can see why someone vote for McCain, but the realization of an effective McCain presidency is a pipedream. I mean what do McCain supporters honestly think he will accomplish in four years?

Dude - you're arguing with a guy who thinks Nixon was one of the greatest presidents in American history.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 06-08-2008, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalBronco

Just because I am a strong supporter of McCain doesn't mean I am pro-war.

Huh?

Rohirrim · 06-08-2008, 07:34 AM

Here ya go BB:

Pseudofool · 06-08-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Dude - you're arguing with a guy who thinks Nixon was one of the greatest presidents in American history.

The irony is Nixon passed more progressive legislation than Clinton did.

SoCalBronco · 06-08-2008, 04:16 PM

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The irony is Nixon passed more progressive legislation than Clinton did.

He's also essentially the original author of the major tenets of the Clinton Universal Health Care plan.

Spider · 06-08-2008, 04:17 PM

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I think the way Hillary lost was tragic for her because it wasn't decisive. Right now the Clinton reputation has taken a double dose of damage. Chelsea is already being groomed for ascension to the throne because Hillary is not coming back from this.

I think the acerbic nature of Clinton politics has essentially "come home to roost" and a lot of the old guard are passing soon.

Last person in the world to worry about Is Hilldog , that b**** is tough ....... if you was on trial , and in a court room ...Hilldog is the bad ass you want defending you

Bronco Jamus · 06-08-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

Well If Obama does win and we pull out it he will be responsible for what Iraq becomes without American troops there. In the end I think he will realize thats a political loser and keep a base there. He will say committments have been made that make me unable to pull all American troops out etc etc.

He will IMO drastically reduce the amount though but not a complete pullout.

We don't have the resources to stay there like we are and all the candidates know it. We've made this mess and now we have to make the commitment to clean it up. Either way, we'll be leaving Iraq, but keep a smaller presence there, IMO.

Dudeskey · 06-08-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

Yes, I guess we can all hope for a never ending occupation of Iraq, if that's what serves this country best.

We'll have a never-ending occupation whether Obama wins or not...™

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=68434

Dudeskey · 06-08-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Pseudofool

The irony is Nixon passed more progressive legislation than Clinton did.

And that he "talked to evil"...™

BroncoBuff · 06-08-2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Here ya go BB:

Are you saying the Pew Research report stinks?

TexanBob · 06-08-2008, 08:01 PM

So, if I read this poll correctly, Fox News was far more positive about Obama and Clinton than they were of McCain...and yet the libs all say Fox News is just a mouthpiece for some conservative conspiracy.

And, all THREE networks were more positive about Obama and Clinton than any Republican, which seems born out in almost every network news comparison that I've ever witness. The Left gets the lion's share of positive press in the media - and yet the libs think it is not biased towards liberals.

06-07-2008, 08:38 PM	#1
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,470 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Pew research crowns MSNBC the most positive network for Hillary Clinton Gosh ... I hope Rohirrim stops by this thread. MSNBC All three major candidates had most success in projecting their message about character on MSNBC. Obama and Clinton received roughly equally positive narratives (70% for Obama and 72% for Clinton). The tilt was not as heavily for McCain (53%) but that was still better coverage than he received on either of the other two cable channels. The Clinton campaign had MSNBC to thank for a greater portion of statements disputing the concept that she is unlikable, 22% on MSNBC versus 13% on CNN and 12% on Fox News. For McCain, two factors contributed to his more positive image. First, MSNBC gave more attention than the other cable channels to his appeal to independents and moderates (22% versus 13% on CNN and 11% on Fox News.) In addition, MSNBC focused less on criticisms of him as not reliably conservative. Just 39% of MSNBC’s assertions about McCain were on this topic compared to 49% on Fox News and 46% on CNN. The biggest factor for Obama’s positive coverage on MSNBC was less coverage of the assertion that he is too inexperienced to be president. Only 7% of the Obama themes on MSNBC made this claim compared with 17% on Fox News and 19% on CNN. In our study of the first three months of the campaign in 2007 and again in the primary season of 2008, we found that MSNBC has been consistently more positive to all of the candidates than any other cable channel. http://www.journalism.org/node/11275

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06-07-2008, 08:41 PM	#2
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,470 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	MSNBC was about DEAD-EVEN between positive reporting for Clinton and Obama. Looks like CNN was the real Hillary whore ... 11% more often positive for her than Obama.

06-07-2008, 08:44 PM	#3
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,873	Obvioulsy this shows how negative people have been towards McCain. I have a feeling this election is going to be really lopsided in that regard. I still feel though McCain has a very good chance to be President.

06-07-2008, 10:52 PM	#9
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,873	Well If Obama does win and we pull out it he will be responsible for what Iraq becomes without American troops there. In the end I think he will realize thats a political loser and keep a base there. He will say committments have been made that make me unable to pull all American troops out etc etc. He will IMO drastically reduce the amount though but not a complete pullout.

06-08-2008, 01:56 AM	#11
Odysseus Fan of the home team Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Durango, Colorado Posts: 12,107 Adopt-a-Bronco: Mark Schlereth	I think the way Hillary lost was tragic for her because it wasn't decisive. Right now the Clinton reputation has taken a double dose of damage. Chelsea is already being groomed for ascension to the throne because Hillary is not coming back from this. I think the acerbic nature of Clinton politics has essentially "come home to roost" and a lot of the old guard are passing soon.

06-08-2008, 07:34 AM	#17
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 49,099	Here ya go BB:

06-08-2008, 08:01 PM	#25
TexanBob Don't Argue With Me You Know I'm Right Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 5,023 Adopt-a-Bronco: Darris Nash	So, if I read this poll correctly, Fox News was far more positive about Obama and Clinton than they were of McCain...and yet the libs all say Fox News is just a mouthpiece for some conservative conspiracy. And, all THREE networks were more positive about Obama and Clinton than any Republican, which seems born out in almost every network news comparison that I've ever witness. The Left gets the lion's share of positive press in the media - and yet the libs think it is not biased towards liberals.