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Old 10-30-2010, 02:41 PM   #51
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Yes, that certainly is the pot calling the kettle black. Only you're the one guilty of it not me.
Are you blind or is your reading comprehension just that poor?

I said that. Not Thy.

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Ad hominem attack noted.
Ha ha ha!

Pot/kettle/black indeed.

No comment from you re: the 41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency Veterans (who) Challenge the Official Account of 9/11 - just straight to the ad hominem you go.

Typical.
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In fact, it's a board frequented by nihilists and cynics -- people who don't stand for anything.
The standard comeback from gaff-o when he's shown to be wrong on matters of fact - that those of us who oppose him are "nihilists" and "cynics".

That the Randi forum gets this kind of commentary from gaff-o just shows that they're right, and, (as usual), he's wrong.
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Okay folks, if you hadnt been convinced of the mathematical proof before, just look above and the theory becomes resolved into nicely balanced equalities:

LABF = mhgaffney

so, you can set them equal to one: LABF/mhgaffney = 1

or define them by this identity: LABF - mhgaffney = 0

so,

LABF + mhgaffney = 2 LABF = 2 mhgaffney

Hmmmm......let's see....

41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency Veterans vs. an anonymous, religiously insane blowhard on an Internet discussion forum...



....I think I'll go with the CT and intelligence vets.
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Ha ha ha!

Pot/kettle/black indeed.

No comment from you re: the 41 U.S. Counter-Terrorism and Intelligence Agency Veterans (who) Challenge the Official Account of 9/11 - just straight to the ad hominem you go.

Typical.
Where was my ad hominem attack on the "agency veterans"?

I was just wondering why it is that, as you seem to be certain that 9-11 was in inside jobbity-job, you aren't debating it with the serious debunkers on JREF?
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Dirka dirkas from Pakistan flew planes into our buildings. They were easy targets and security on planes was lax at the time. Bin Laden was believed to be behind it and also took credit for it.

We did not blow up our own buildings and kill our own people. It would have required a huge amount of people sworn to permanent silence. In this camera filled, investigative, camera filled society complete with whisteblowers and wikileaks, how could one honestly come to the conclusion that we attacked ourselves on 9-11?

Again, common sense people. Again, the most trusted, verified and proven source on the subject...(No, not paranoid prison planet or infowars) Popular mechanics....

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...y/news/1227842
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Where was my ad hominem attack on the "agency veterans"?
Your attack wasn't on the veterans - it was on me.

That is, instead of commenting on the story I linked, you just went straight to your usual attempt to impugn my credibility, etc. (if I really believed "x, y, and z," then I would be debating with so-and-so.)
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Your attack wasn't on the veterans - it was on me.

That is, instead of commenting on the story I linked, you just went straight to your usual attempt to impugn my credibility, etc. (if I really believed "x, y, and z," then I would be debating with so-and-so.)
I'm not allowed to be curious? It seems to me that you're always bringing this stuff up as if you are convinced that 9-11 was an inside jerb, but I never see you really testing your beliefs against those well prepared to debate the issue. Why not? Aren't you interested in the counterarguments?
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I'm not allowed to be curious? It seems to me that you're always bringing this stuff up as if you are convinced that 9-11 was an inside jerb, but I never see you really testing your beliefs against those well prepared to debate the issue. Why not?
More ad hominem and deflection and zero response to the story I linked.

That's what makes you the poster boy for intellectual dishonesty.

In any event, yours is the same tediously circular reasoning, i.e., "those well prepared to debate the issue" = those who share The Lone Bolt's commitment to the official BushCo account as a foregone conclusion.
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Debunking Popular Mechanics' 9/11 Lies

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles...rmechanics.htm
Wow, LABF, are you turning over a new leaf, or are you just unaware of Alex Jones agenda? Not sure a proud, upstanding lib like yourself should be casting his lot with an Obama hater like Mr. Jones. Hell, he thinks Obama is cut from the same cloth as G.W. Bush!
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In any event, yours is the same tediously circular reasoning, i.e., "those well prepared to debate the issue" = those who share The Lone Bolt's commitment to the official BushCo account as a foregone conclusion.
How do you know that the JREFers are "committed to the official BushCo account as a foregone conclusion"? Because they disagree with you?

You are implying that they have no argument. How do you know this?

How about putting that belief to the test? What are you afraid of?
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How about putting that belief to the test? What are you afraid of?
How about actually commenting on the story I linked?

What are you afraid of?
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Wow, LABF, are you turning over a new leaf, or are you just unaware of Alex Jones agenda? Not sure a proud, upstanding lib like yourself should be casting his lot with an Obama hater like Mr. Jones. Hell, he thinks Obama is cut from the same cloth as G.W. Bush!
I see you have ~33 posts - yet you act like you know my views re: Obama.

You know what they say about assuming...
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I see you have ~33 posts - yet you act like you know my views re: Obama.

You know what they say about assuming...
No worry. I've read these boards before, your reputation precedes you. Don't tell me for a second that you weren't in orgasmic joy when your boy Obama was elected. Like I said and like you ignored before and tried to change the subject, do you know Alex Jones, the foremost 911 truther, thinks the current administration is just as 'evil' as the Bush administration?
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How about actually commenting on the story I linked?

What are you afraid of?
OK, I'll make a deal with you. If I comment on the story you linked will you agree to debate your troofer views on JREF? Seeing as how you are equating the two it seems only fair.
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No worry. I've read these boards before, your reputation precedes you. Don't tell me for a second that you weren't in orgasmic joy when your boy Obama was elected. Like I said and like you ignored before and tried to change the subject, do you know Alex Jones, the foremost 911 truther, thinks the current administration is just as 'evil' as the Bush administration?
Your reading comprehension game obviously blows.

Either that, or you're just a typical right-winger, i.e., your preferred "debate" tactic is the straw man argument.
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OK, I'll make a deal with you. If I comment on the story you linked will you agree to debate your troofer views on JREF? Seeing as how you are equating the two it seems only fair.
Why are you afraid to read the article I linked and to discuss its contents with me on a 1-1 basis?

Why are you so insecure in your beliefs that you need to call in backup from another site?
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Like I said and like you ignored before and tried to change the subject, do you know Alex Jones, the foremost 911 truther, thinks the current administration is just as 'evil' as the Bush administration?
Yep, I know.

Do you know that it's possible to agree with some of Jones' (or anyone else's) ideas and disagree with others?

Or, like most regressives, are you too "black or white" in your thinking to wrap your head around that concept?
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Yep, I know.

Do you know that it's possible to agree with some of Jones' (or anyone else's) ideas and disagree with others?
fair enough. just seeing if you knew about the guy
Or, like most regressives, are you too "black or white" in your thinking to wrap your head around that concept?
Wow. so full of hate. Do you need a hug LABF?
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Wow. so full of hate. Do you need a hug LABF?
Calling you on your erroneous assumptions = "full of hate?"

Wow - that's a reach only a regressive could pull off.
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Why are you afraid to read the article I linked and to discuss its contents with me on a 1-1 basis?

Why are you so insecure in your beliefs that you need to call in backup from another site?
Why are you so insecure in your beliefs that you restrict your 9-11 postings to this forum and not a forum which is specifically dedicated to debating the issue of 9-11? People here are debating general politics. The JREF forum can provide a better measure of your views.
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Why are you so insecure in your beliefs that you restrict your 9-11 postings to this forum and not a forum which is specifically dedicated to debating the issue of 9-11? People here are debating general politics. The JREF forum can provide a better measure of your views.
Why are you so insecure with your views that you refuse to even read (let alone discuss) the views of CT and intelligence vets who challenge the official BushCo story?

Why are you so insecure with your views that you need to outsource discussion to another forum?
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Lone Nut,

I gave you the link. Jones went on a world wide tour last fall -- presenting the evidence and challenging skeptics to review it -- and to respond to his science. So far, your RANDI skeptics have not done so.

Here -- for the umpteenth time - -is the link.
http://communitycurrency.org/911TV/

In the video Jones explains in detail how his team checked out the claim about the paint. They were able to obtain and test a sample of red primer paint from the WTC. An artist had created a sculpture from some WTC columns. The artist scraped off a large sample of red paint from the steel and sent it to Jones. BTW the artist has since become a truther.

The chemistry of the paint was different from that of the chips found in the dust. Period. End of story.

So far -- the Jones lecture is not up at Youtube. You will have to invest $20 for the DVD.

Your attack of Bentham is laughable. Like it or not, this was a peer reviewed paper. You and others attack the on line journal simply because you don't like the results. It's the same old shyte we've seen on issue after issue -- over the long history of science.

People who don't like the results -- snipe about the character or credentials of the researcher. Or the journal in question. Instead of dealing with the science itself.

We saw a similar pattern after the cold fusion discovery in 1989. The two scientists who announced it, Pons and Fleishman, were ridiculed and hounded out of this country. They had to go to Europe just to continue their research.

Dr Steven Jones was the third scientist involved in the cold fusion issue. He developed a different line of research. You can find a good discussion in FIRE FROM ICE by Eugene Mallove.

Mallove wrote the book in 1999. By then it was clear to him that cold fusion was a real phenomenon -- though still unexplained -- and that Pons and Flieshman had been the subject of a witch hunt by the hot fusion establishment.

Why? It was a turf war. Cold fusion threatened a major breakthrough that would put hot fusion out of business. The hot fusion scientists reacted to defend their grant money, their labs, their jobs, their prestige and power. It was science gone amok.

We are seeing a repeat over this nanothermite issue. Same old sad story.

Only the future hangs in the balance.
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People who don't like the results -- snipe about the character or credentials of the researcher. Or the journal in question. Instead of dealing with the science itself.
This has been Lone Bolt's SOP since day one - no matter what the issue.
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