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Old 04-29-2008, 09:10 PM   #1
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Default Is it time for Mike Shanahan to go?

Is this some kind of joke? Is it just a bad dream? Is Mike Shanahan really trying to turn the Denver Broncos into the Cincinnati Bengals?

Iíve been a diehard Bronco fan as long as I can remember, and Iíve been a Mike Shanahan supporter since the day we kicked Wade ďthe bumĒ Phillips out the door. The two Super Bowl victories brought Colorado together like nothing else ever has. In fact, instead of two Super Bowl championships, I think there should have been four. We were the best team in the AFC in 1996, only to lose to the Jaguars in the biggest upset in Broncos history. In 1998, our Denver team was arguably one of the best in NFL history, and we brought the very same team back in 1999 with one rather large exceptionÖJohn Elway.

And since 1999, things seem to have gotten progressively worse. Mike Shanahan has gone from ĎThe Mastermindí to the ĎAbsent Mindí.

It is becoming more and more obvious that Gary Kubiak was the biggest reason behind the Broncos success, not Mike Shanahan. Since Kubiak left for Texas, the Broncos have taken a steep nosedive and the upstart Texans are becoming one of the leagueís best up and coming teams. In fact, I would bet you that the Texans reach the Super Bowl with Kubiak before Denver gets back there with Shanahan.

Iíve been drinking the Mike Shanahan Kool-Aid just like everyone else, but over the past three years Iíve began to have my doubts. The 2008 draft was the proverbial straw that broke the camels back for me.

As any so-called expert will tell you, a draft canít be properly evaluated until several years down the road. So letís go back to previous drafts. Your first round draft pick should be a potential cornerstone of your franchise, and at least a 6-10 year starter. Of course there are bound to be a few busts along the way, but looking back at the Broncos draft history, there are more than a few.

Can you name the first round picks Denver still has remaining on their roster since Mike Shanahan took over in 1995. Iíll help you out, there are three, and they were all picked in the last four years. They are Jay Cutler, DJ Williams, and Jarvis Moss, and if Moss doesnít come around soon, he too, may be gone.

There are names like, George Foster, Ashley Lelie, Willie Middlebrooks, and Marcus Nash. In fact if you go back as recently as 2004, the Broncos had 10 picks in that draft, DJ Williams is all that is left. In 2003 they also had 10 picks, and not a single player from that draft remains on this team.

This brings me to 2008. USA Today rated Denver dead last in this yearís draft class and itís not hard to see why. Itís not because there werenít any big names, itís because they had a lot of needs to fill and somehow failed to fill most of them.

Ryan Clady looks like he could be a great selection. Heís big, heís athletic, and he has quick feet. However, thatís the same thing they said about George Foster as well, and we all know how that turned out. Also, there is the little factor of his Wonderlic score. The NFL draft average of this intelligence test is 20. Good offensive linemen usually score somewhere around 26, Clady scored 13.

We needed an offensive lineman, so I wonít complain too much about that pick. However, after that the draft went downhill. The Broncos needed a return specialist, so to everyoneís surprise they took one in the 2nd round, way above were most teams would do so. In fact, the biggest surprise wasnít even that they took a returner..Itís that they took Eddie Royal from Virginia Tech instead of the top return specialist on the board, which would be DeSean Jackson from Cal. Jackson has had his off the field problems, but then again so have about 40 percent of this yearís class. Jackson may turn out to be the 2nd best return man in the league behind Devin Hester and make the Broncos regret their decision to pass him up.

We also need a middle linebacker. Right now the starting middle linebacker for the Broncos is a guy named Niko Koutouvides. Heís a guy we got from Seattle, where he was 5th on the depth chart at linebacker, and now heís our starter!

With a multitude of picks on day two, Denver could have traded up into the middle of the 3rd round to get Dan Conner from Penn State, a middle linebacker that some feel could have been a late 1st to early 2nd round pick. Instead we waited and went with a cornerback in the 4th round. I donít think I need to remind you that we have two high priced cornerbacks already on the roster. We did eventually take a linebacker out of Arizona, but he barely has a chance to make the team, let alone start.

Wide Receiver is another area where they dropped the ball, and not only in the draft. Brandon Marshall is the obvious number one, and I think heíll recover from his injury and be fine. However, after letting Javon Walker walk over into the Raiders locker-room, we did nothing to address the number two wide receiver roll. We signed a lot of guys, none of which should be starters in this league. Sure, Darrell Jackson has a big name, but he hasnít been a legit starter in three years. There were guys out there for the Broncos to land, they just didnít.

Mike Shanahan is currently building a 35,000 square foot goliath of a mansion in Denver, which means he doesnít think heís going anywhere, anytime soon. However, the next two years will be very telling for this franchise. The 2008 schedule is as easy as it gets in the NFL, but in 2009 the Broncos will have the toughest schedule in the league.

Itís now or never for Mike Shanahan in Denver. Itís time to prove that he is the ĎMastermindí and not the ĎAbsent Mindí he appears to be.

If 2008 and 2009 donít produce a playoff win or even a playoff appearance it will be time for us to cut our losses with the beloved ego-maniac we call coach. Otherwise that 35,000 square foot mansion will be sitting empty. Maybe we can turn it into a Denver Bronco Museum, so we can all go there and reminisce about the days when we had a winning franchise, long before it was ran into the ground.

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Old 04-29-2008, 09:15 PM   #2
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I'd say the luster of the championships is long gone. There are no scapegoats left for Shanny to butcher in the offseason. He has IMO 2 season to prove he has rebuilt the team into a winner. He won't get fired after missing playoffs this yr, but 2 more times and I think he would resign.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:18 PM   #3
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debbie downer is going to just looooooooove this artical.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:19 PM   #4
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Something needs to go right for this team in the next couple of seasons.

Or Mike will be gone.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:20 PM   #5
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I'd like to direct you to Bill Cowher, who got similar kind of criticism...then won a super bowl. Also, we were just in the AFC championship a couple years ago. Some poster, i forget who, mentioned how that was the quietest trip to the championship...and i agree. You'd think Shanny hasnt been to the playoffs since the championship by the way people talk.

Oh, and i really liked our draft. I dont really get how anyone can hate on it,. Regardless of that BS above, we filled needs and got quality players.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:21 PM   #6
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:23 PM   #7
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And another thing...if you want to criticize his past drafts, fine...but to criticize this years by saying things like "he took the wrong returner" is asinine. Just because some EXPERTS may have liked Jackson better (and experts were completely wrong for most of the draft) doesnt mean he'll be a better player.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:24 PM   #8
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One of the worst articles I've ever read. Blame the 2008 draft, then say it takes years to evaluate so then take shots at information we've all known for quite some time, then go back to the 2008 draft shortly after you've said it's too early to evaluate...

Also, knocking a lineman for his wonderlic score is the epitome of having no experience with professional athletes.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:27 PM   #9
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Ill informed crap.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:27 PM   #10
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Wait until lex and telluride have stop pleasuring themselves to the article before they respond.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:29 PM   #11
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whinning only takes you so far, I love my Broncos and will support them no matter what...I'd rather be a Bronco fan than a Lion or Cardinal fan...
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Wait until lex and telluride have stop pleasuring themselves to the article before they respond.

Wolf likes to rub his biscuit too..
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:30 PM   #13
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Dude, chill out! You don't even make any sense. Please explain to me how we'll have the toughest schedule in the 2009 season. Won't that mean we will have a pretty good year this year, as in winning the division.

You say we're going to suck this year but somehow still end up with a first place schedule??
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:32 PM   #14
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2008 class a bust ? .......... good grief seems to be a sports writer these days is just good spelling ....... That Idiot that wrote this garbage isnt fit enough to cover a girl scout bake sale , much less evaluate NFL talent ...
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And furthermore as a life long Broncos fan LIVING in Cincinnati , i think anyone in Cincy would trade history or franshises straight up if you would like ...


I give you these as just a few

1. The Bengals lost more games then any team ever did in one decade ...

2. Pasted on Bill Walsh while he was on the staff as head coach when he wanted the job after BUILDING the west coast O in Cincinnati ... and then lose both Superbowls to S.F. ironic ?

3. Gave the head coaching job to Dave Shula when the two last people on list for the job was Dave Shula and ...... Bill Cowher

4. EVERY team in the NFL has won at least one playoff game sence the Bengal won their last playoff game ...

5. The Cincinnati Police was looking into a local crime ring ... turned out it was just the Bengals huddle ... "their on going probs with thugs"

6. I won't list all the first round picks 1 - 10 they have had just BLOW ...

7. Chad Johnson ...



as someone who has lived in cincinnati my whole life but loves the Broncs ... i'll say it this way ... you are not anything like the bengals ... why i'm a fan of 20+ years ...
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thing about this article that gets me is that there is absolutely NO mention of letting the guy whose leg got us 4 wins last year go. For the NFL equilvalent of chump change. there is a legit criticism right there. Not the '08 draft for God's sakes.

Except for the Elam deal, I really like the moves this team has made this offseason.
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I agree that article was pretty negative. You don't how this draft will be. Better just to say regardless of the draft Shanny has to prove the team is built to win. If he doesn't do that over next 2 seasons I think Shanny will fire himself.
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I agree that article was pretty negative. You don't how this draft will be. Better just to say regardless of the draft Shanny has to prove the team is built to win. If he doesn't do that over next 2 seasons I think Shanny will fire himself.
2009, barring the damn major injuries, or some clusterI'd like to crawl in the same snuggie with that is out of Shanny's control, should be the year we make a serious run.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:49 PM   #20
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Criticism of our recent drafts is entirely justified. I think the major problem has been Shanny wearing two hats as coach and essentially the GM. Let's see how the change in front office philosophy impacts their draft. One thing you can't do is claim that the current draft is a flop since we don't know anything about these guys yet.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:50 PM   #21
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The drafting has been an abomination and the downfall of the organization. Let's review the drafts that should be the heart of the team right now, looking at all players selected in rounds 1 through 6:

2000: Deltha O'Neal, Ian Gold, Kenoy Kennedy, Chris Cole, Jerry Johnson, Cooper Carlisle, Muneer Moore, Mike Anderson.
2001: Willie Middlebrooks, Paul Toviessi, Reggie Hayward, Ben Hamilton, Nick Harris, Kevin Kasper.
2002: Ashley Lelie, Clinton Portis, Dorsett Davis, Sam Brandon, Herb Haygood, Jeb Putzier.
2003: George Foster, Terry Pierce, Quentin Griffin, Nick Eason, Bryant McNeal, Ben Claxton, Adrian Madise, Aaron Hunt.
2004: D.J. Williams, Tatum Bell, Darius Watts, Jeremy LeSueur, Jeff Shoate, Triandos Luke, Josh Sewell.
2005: Darrent Williams, Karl Paymah, Domonique Foxworth, Maurice Clarett, Chris Myers.
2006: Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler, Brandon Marshall, Elvis Dumervil, Domenik Hixon, Chris Kuper, Greg Eslinger.
2007: Jarvis Moss, Tim Crowder, Ryan Harris, Marcus Thomas.

Excepting 2007 because it's too early to judge, other than the 2006 draft the rest are nothing short of train wrecks. Looking back at these drafts all you can do is shake your head. The depths of futility are just beyond compare.

Maybe somebody else can compile the wasteland that is our free agent signings over this same period. If you put that next to this mess your head might explode.

In conclusion, however, you really have to give Shanny credit for somehow getting 7 wins out of this mess last season, not to mention 9 the previous season.
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Old 04-29-2008, 09:52 PM   #22
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Do you really not have anything better to do?

It's hard to declare this thread a waste of cyberspace because so much trash abounds, but what are you thinking?

Why don't you wait until the season gets going before you declare all these guys busts. remember that arguably the most successful franchise of the last decade (the Pats) built their championship teams from pieces and parts that fit a scheme. It looks like we are doing the same.

Possibly the real problem is that we have been patching holes for the last decade instead of rebuilding. It has kept us competitive, but obviously fell short.

Make no mistake, we are now rebuilding (or rebuilt). You have to give that some time to work. Remember that the Giants put Coughlin on the hot seat and almost fired him before last season. If they would have listened to guys like you, they wouldn't have their pretty little trophy. Go get an aggressive college coach like Bobby Patrino (maybe not). How about an awesome offensive coordinator like Cam Cameron (maybe not). I'll stick with Shanahan.

Shall we list all the other coaches that haven't won a championship in the past decade? Are they all utter failures? Grow up.
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We can bicker all we want. Look at it with an objective viewpoint, and Shanahan should be on the hot seat. One playoff win in a decade? What other city would put up with that?

I've defended the guy forever, but if we don't improve in a big way this year, it's time to thank him and move on.

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In conclusion, however, you really have to give Shanny credit for somehow getting 7 wins out of this mess last season, not to mention 9 the previous season.
I've said this many times. He's a great game-day coach, which saves him from being a horrible decision maker with regards to the draft and free agency. (Save the first year or so he was in Denver, when he for some reason understood how to build a team.)
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There's no question his coaching has saved the team from his GMing. The sign of a great coach is willingness to adapt, puts in a new gameplan in each week. I think Shanny has demonstrated a willingness to adapt as a GM also, thats why Bowlen believes in him.
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