Is this 1939?

[mhgaffney]

Paul Craig Roberts has done it again.

I give you another of his honest rip roaring erudite no holds barred diatribes against the neo con lunatics -- especially their push for a wider war.

We could stop their rush to oblivion cold in its tracks -- if enough of us got serious at the same time.

I noticed in my town they just built another war memorial. What about a peace memorial?

Enough said. Here is your daily dose of sanity -- the necessary antidote to all that ails us in this dark time. MHG

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle19839.htm

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Is this 1939?

No, not 1968 or 1984 or 2001 either.

[Rohirrim]

Daily dose of sanity? This rant is no truer or more logical than Bush's rants, or Cheney's rants, just because it comes from the other side of the political coin. In fact, it's an example of the exact same type of sophomoric logic we get from Bush/Cheney; Massive oversimplification shaded by personal biases. Anyone who believes that Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah and China are somehow innocent players oppressed by America's lust for global power or Israel's machinations, is frankly, an idiot. There's plenty of blood to go around. These simplistic arguments don't do anybody any favors. They all belong under the same category: It's the sales pitch of the guy handing out torches at Frankenstein's castle. In other words, mob candy.

[yavoon]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

No, not 1968 or 1984 or 2001 either.

wth? no space odyssey?

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

Daily dose of sanity? This rant is no truer or more logical than Bush's rants, or Cheney's rants, just because it comes from the other side of the political coin. In fact, it's an example of the exact same type of sophomoric logic we get from Bush/Cheney; Massive oversimplification shaded by personal biases. Anyone who believes that Iran, Syria, Hamas, Hezbollah and China are somehow innocent players oppressed by America's lust for global power or Israel's machinations, is frankly, an idiot. There's plenty of blood to go around. These simplistic arguments don't do anybody any favors. They all belong under the same category: It's the sales pitch of the guy handing out torches at Frankenstein's castle. In other words, mob candy.

Rep.

PCR is a dolt.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Paul Craig Roberts has done it again.

I give you another of his honest rip roaring erudite no holds barred diatribes against the neo con lunatics -- especially their push for a wider war.

We could stop their rush to oblivion cold in its tracks -- if enough of us got serious at the same time.

I noticed in my town they just built another war memorial. What about a peace memorial?

Enough said. Here is your daily dose of sanity -- the necessary antidote to all that ails us in this dark time. MHG

http://www.informationclearinghouse....ticle19839.htm

Good article.

I would like to see the critics identify one statement PCR makes in it that isn't true.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Good article.

I would like to see the critics identify one statement PCR makes in it that isn't true.

The entire thing is bs.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by yavoon

wth? no space odyssey?

I think I covered that, 1968 and 2001.

[Spider]

I never heard of PCR Until I came to the WRP forum ......Just another Ann Coulter , Malkin .........

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Spider

I never heard of PCR Until I came to the WRP forum ......Just another Ann Coulter , Malkin .........

No, he's nothing like either of those two and sometimes writes some very good stuff.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

No, he's nothing like either of those two and sometimes writes some very good stuff.

Yep.

A lot of rightards assume he's a left-winger, but he was a member of the Reagan administration.

[spdirty]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

I noticed in my town they just built another war memorial. What about a peace memorial?

Because its obvious your town doesn't do LSD everyday.

[jhat01]

hahahaha I know that shouldn't be funny, but that ****ing cracked me up

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

A lot of rightards assume he's a left-winger, but he was a member of the Reagan administration.

Just goes to show that the Left doesn't have a monopoly on loony ****s.

[mhgaffney]

Spider, you need to get your head outa your ass. Roberts is no lite weight. The guy was the assistant secretary of the treasury under Ronnie Ray Gun. Notice I insult Reagan (who started the econimic destruction of our country) -- yet I can still find common cause with Roberts, who long ago parted company with the neo conservatives.

We are seeing now the gradual formation of a new polity in America -- which includes elements of right and left -- but is neither. You saw this with the similarity on a number of MAJOR issues between Kucinich and Ron Paul. Still differences to be sure -- but the similarities are much greater than the differences. I believe this trend will continue. It is very hopeful.

The new polity is raw and doesn't even have a name yet.

Rohirrim has it wrong. There is no rant in the PCR article. It's solid on analysis. I'd respond to Roh if he actually said something of substance. But as LABF pointed out -- there is just the usual whining. In fact Roh ought to be ashamed of himself -- to post this sort of crap. He is smarter than this.
MHG

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by mhgaffney

Spider, you need to get your head outa your ass. Roberts is no lite weight. The guy was the assistant secretary of the treasury under Ronnie Ray Gun. Notice I insult Reagan (who started the econimic destruction of our country) -- yet I can still find common cause with Roberts, who long ago parted company with the neo conservatives.

We are seeing now the gradual formation of a new polity in America -- which includes elements of right and left -- but is neither. You saw this with the similarity on a number of MAJOR issues between Kucinich and Ron Paul. Still differences to be sure -- but the similarities are much greater than the differences. I believe this trend will continue. It is very hopeful.

The new polity is raw and doesn't even have a name yet.

Rohirrim has it wrong. There is no rant in the PCR article. It's solid on analysis. I'd respond to Roh if he actually said something of substance. But as LABF pointed out -- there is just the usual whining. In fact Roh ought to be ashamed of himself -- to post this sort of crap. He is smarter than this.
MHG

The basic premise of this guy's rant is bs. The overwhelming majority of Americans are opposed to Bush, the neocons, and their philosophy. He obviously doesn't read polls. This guy is lumping us all together as if we were operating with one "American" mind. It exhibits that kind of simplistic bias of the standard propagandist, and personally, I find it insulting. He also lumps together the entire U.S. government as if it were a single, monolithic identity. It's not. Somebody within the intelligence community released the NIE showing Iran had no nukes to the press BEFORE sending it to the WH. I would argue that hardly shows them in lockstep with the Bush/Cheney regime. Also, his portrayal of the Iranians, Hamas, etc. as some kind of innocents is laughable. It's this kind of political naivete that put Jane Fonda's ass in an NVA anti-aircraft gun for a photo-op.

These people routinely saw off the heads of their captives. You think neocon philosophy is bad? The philosophy of these people is ****ing medieval. They slice off the hands of thieves. They execute women for a broad swath of behaviors like, going outside by themselves, for instance. They stone people to death for adultery. These people are currently engaged in killing Americans. Even if we put in a Democratic president in January, the Iranians and their operatives will continue to kill Americans, even as we try to extricate ourselves from Bush's stupidity. Yes, American policy has brought a lot of this stuff down on our own heads, but to pretend that the dangers of fundamentalist Muslim extremism are limited to the Palestinian/Israeli sphere is ignorant, at best.

This writer ignores a very basic reality. It's as if his hatred for all things American has given him a kind of tunnel vision. He doesn't realize that if the Israeli/Palestinian conflict was solved tomorrow, and the U.S. pulled completely out of Iraq next week, the hostility from the fundamentalist nexus, including Iran, would continue. Why? Because their agenda is not purely reactive to the U.S. and Israeli. It is a protaganist agenda, with its own goals of domination and oppression. One need only to look at their domination and oppression of Iranian, Syrian, Lebanese, and Afghanistan (etc.) society to understand the truth of that. The movement of Muslim extremism has moved far beyond its initial causes.

I really hate Hitler analogies, but his invasions of his European neighbors were all prefaced with arguments about "past grievances" against the German people, and like Hitler, I fear we will discover that when it comes to the tyrants of the muslim extremist nexus, like Ahmadinijad, we will likewise discover an endless list of grievances requiring endless redress. Did you know that one of the demands of Al Queda is that Spain be returned to "the caliphate?"

(btw Gaff, giving extra credence to Roberts' foreign policy arguments because he once served as an accountant in the Reagan administration is like accepting the expertise of a shoemaker on deep sea fishing )

[sakuraba]

This PCR chap hardly seems to be ranting. He makes statements and supports them with references and examples. A good way to make a cogent argument.

[loborugger]

It is 1939 all over again. The world waits helplessly for the next act of naked aggression by rogue states.

Why not use 1914? How about 1861? 1066 anybody?

Oh, but the reason for picking 1939 is so the ever popular comparision between the US and Nazi Germany can be made. Its the battle cry of the emotional driven, damn the facts crowd - compare whatever you dislike to the Nazis.

For the comparision to hold water, some of these things oughta be true...

-President Bush, a native of Canada, annexed Canada last year so that all the white North Americans could be united under one banner.

-The unpopular black minority in America is blamed for all of America's problems. There businesses are pillaged without recourse as they are forced to where a star that identifies them. Many of them flee the country in fear of persecution.

-Shortly after Bush and his GOP party came into power, he accused the Dems of "being up to something." He and his party then clandestinely burned the Capitol building, blamed it on the Dems, and then used the event to declare martial law.

-Last year, to unite all the white people of the North America together, Pres Bush demanded that Mexico give up the Baja Penisula. The international community forced Mexico to give up Baja. Later, Bush used Baja as a striking point to conquer the whole country.

-Throughout the last few years, Pres Bush and other leaders of the GOP have met on the National Mall, amongst other places, to burn Korans. This is to purge America of any foul Muslim filth.

-Shortly after obtaining office in 2001, Bush outlawed elections.

Meanwhile...

-Much like Iran, Poland (who fought with WWI bi-planes and charged Panzers with cavalry) was seeking to build a secret and deadly weapon to use against their hated European neighbors.

-Much like Iran, Poland declared that this hated enemy should be wiped from the face of the earth, and Poland will led the charge.

-Much like 1939, the US and Russia have a secret pact to split Iran in half. The US gets the bottom 2/3s while Russia takes the top 1/3. Additionally, the US will not care when Russia occupies some of border states (Georgia, Azerbaijan).

-Much like 1939 Poland, the Iranians have made no bombastic statements. They have done nothing to antagonize their neighbors. They have never taken sailors from other nations hostage nor have the overrun other countries Embassies.

-Just like 1939 Poland, Iran is not run by religious zealots.

Other than conflicting with just a few of these facts, the comparision is air tight.

[Rohirrim]

Originally Posted by sakuraba

This PCR chap hardly seems to be ranting. He makes statements and supports them with references and examples. A good way to make a cogent argument.

Anyone who uses as many generalizations as this guy uses is merely a propagandist.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by sakuraba

This PCR chap hardly seems to be ranting. He makes statements and supports them with references and examples. A good way to make a cogent argument.

Exactly.

His critics would be hard pressed to point to anything PCR says in the article that isn't true (even if the truth hurts.)