An instance that shows why I will never vote for McCain

[W*GS]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...042502780.html

[Bronco Jamus]

It's a damn good reason not to....unbelievable that this law passes constitutionality

[broncofan7]

It certainly could be--unfortunately for the Left--it cannot be positioned as solely a crafting of the right wing with Feingold's name on it as well--but it truly is a great example of how our federal government is becoming ever so intrusive on even local issues.....

[peacepipe]

Originally Posted by broncofan7

It certainly could be--unfortunately for the Left--it cannot be positioned as solely a crafting of the right wing with Feingold's name on it as well--but it truly is a great example of how our federal government is becoming ever so intrusive on even local issues.....

Good thing is fiengold isn't running for president, but McCain is.

[yavoon]

ooo that pisses me off.

[TexanBob]

I don't believe these were the direct actions of McCain, rather the whole beaurocracy run amok. Nonetheless, McCain-Feingold is odious enough to not support McCain. It's just that this particular case is proof the disease is more widespread than just McCain-Feingold which was a veiled incumbent protection bill under the guise of corruption removal.

[Rohirrim]

Same old, same old. The government knew they didn't have the right to tell Americans not to use any drug they wanted to use, so instead, they put it under the tax code. As Scalia has proved time and time again, there's always a way around the Constitution.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[Rohirrim]

That cartoon brings up an interesting suspicion I've been having lately: That this entire election is being orchestrated. The strongest possible candidate, Hillary Clinton, is being ripped apart by the media. The weakest possible candidate, Obama, is getting the red carpet treatment, while McCain simply walks around unscathed. If I put my tin foil hat on for a moment, it looks like the powers-that-be are sliding Obama into the sacrificial lamb position.

If you just look at the entire process it's somewhat chilling. Any pol could have told you a couple of years ago that Clinton would win Florida and Michigan. Hell, these people can usually crunch numbers down to the decimal point. So what do they do? Exclude those states. What does that do? Creates false momentum for Obama. What is he doing? Winning red state after red state while the press pumps him up as if he's the second coming. Mind you, all these victories are coming out of caucus states. He can't win a primary state. Imagine if, out of the gate, Clinton wins Florida and Michigan? Where is the momentum then? Right. Obama is buried by January.

Why is Clinton the stronger candidate? Because they've got nothing on her. Anything the 527s bring up - Whitewater, Monica, pardons, etc.- are old hat to the American people. They'll just yawn. Obama is a virtual minefield of political baggage. The 527s will take him apart. So, the press will give McCain the guided tour to the Oval Office while the 527s disembowel Obama. Just look it up on the internet. 12% of the American people already think Obama is Muslim. The school he went to in Indonesia was called a madrassa. You think you won't see that on a hundred commercials? Reverend Wright? Michelle, who hasn't been proud of America? And before you call me crazy, just remember that the deciding factors in the last few elections have been flag burning and gay marriage. That's how I see it shaping up. It's all a big set up.

[alkemical]

Ro~,

Do you think i'm a bit crazy for have been pointing all that out for some time?

[baja]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

That cartoon brings up an interesting suspicion I've been having lately: That this entire election is being orchestrated. The strongest possible candidate, Hillary Clinton, is being ripped apart by the media. The weakest possible candidate, Obama, is getting the red carpet treatment, while McCain simply walks around unscathed. If I put my tin foil hat on for a moment, it looks like the powers-that-be are sliding Obama into the sacrificial lamb position.

If you just look at the entire process it's somewhat chilling. Any pol could have told you a couple of years ago that Clinton would win Florida and Michigan. Hell, these people can usually crunch numbers down to the decimal point. So what do they do? Exclude those states. What does that do? Creates false momentum for Obama. What is he doing? Winning red state after red state while the press pumps him up as if he's the second coming. Mind you, all these victories are coming out of caucus states. He can't win a primary state. Imagine if, out of the gate, Clinton wins Florida and Michigan? Where is the momentum then? Right. Obama is buried by January.

Why is Clinton the stronger candidate? Because they've got nothing on her. Anything the 527s bring up - Whitewater, Monica, pardons, etc.- are old hat to the American people. They'll just yawn. Obama is a virtual minefield of political baggage. The 527s will take him apart. So, the press will give McCain the guided tour to the Oval Office while the 527s disembowel Obama. Just look it up on the internet. 12% of the American people already think Obama is Muslim. The school he went to in Indonesia was called a madrassa. You think you won't see that on a hundred commercials? Reverend Wright? Michelle, who hasn't been proud of America? And before you call me crazy, just remember that the deciding factors in the last few elections have been flag burning and gay marriage. That's how I see it shaping up. It's all a big set up.

just suspicion

[spdirty]

This is so depressing...and whether Ro is right or not, I think McCain will be the next president.

[TexanBob]

Any pol could have told you a couple of years ago that Clinton would win Florida and Michigan. Hell, these people can usually crunch numbers down to the decimal point. So what do they do? Exclude those states.

Roh, you're smarter than that. The states did this to themselves. In their greed to get in on the campaign dollars at the beginning of the race, those two states tried to move themselves up to the front of the line. BOTH parties warned them not to it or face sanctions. They did it anyway and now they face sanctions. The GOP was smarter in that they only took away half the delegates, not all of them. The Dems chose to take away all the delegates which is why they are in such a mess about it (plus the bad luck of having such a tight race).

Conspiracy? I doubt it. How did anyone know back when these decisions were made that Obama-Clinton would turn into such a tight race and those forfeited delegates would become an issue? The CW was that Hillary would win in a cakewalk.

Perhaps, as a Hillary supporter, you should be asking yourself how the Clintons f----d up the coronation. How did the Clintons not just run away with this race? Why do so many people not want to vote for the Clintons?

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

[BroncoBuff]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

That cartoon brings up an interesting suspicion I've been having lately: That this entire election is being orchestrated. The strongest possible candidate, Hillary Clinton, is being ripped apart by the media. The weakest possible candidate, Obama, is getting the red carpet treatment, while McCain simply walks around unscathed. If I put my tin foil hat on for a moment, it looks like the powers-that-be are sliding Obama into the sacrificial lamb position.

You really believe this? Is this Roh, or did gaffney steal your identity? Clavi's open-minded musings I understand, but this kind of conspiratorial paranoia in the highest levels of public life is crazy. I hope you're just "throwing out" an idea, and you don't actually believe it.

THE FOURTH ESTATE is the regulator. Nothing remotely like this could occur with the media news wars and competitions coming from all sides. From Hannity to Olbermann, there are big-megaphone forces in every corner of political spectrum, and these forces are hyper-vigilant for any clues of such a conspiracy. Plus, anybody 'in the know' on such a thing would salivate over a potential '15 minutes of fame,' and they'd be on the horn to these reporters pronto. Watergate was uncovered by two reporters and a courageous Ben Bradlee who persevered despite the fact no other newspaper was reporting on it ... and the competition between news outlets in the 30 intervening years has undergone a Bonds-like steroids infusion. The Dan Rather downfall should purge you of any belief to the contrary.

The reasons Hillary lost to Obama are, a) she failed to organize in caucus states, and b) because of arcane Democratic delegate allocation. Like she says, if the Dems had the same delegate allocation rules as the GOP, she would already be the nominee.

None of these developments were orchestrated, and there's no conspiracy. Hillary's shocking bounce-back in New Hampshire could never have happened if such an anti-Hillary conspiracy existed.


You don't have to "trust the media" per se ... but you can DEFINITELY trust the fierce competition between media outlets. Take it to the bank.