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Old 04-27-2008, 01:01 AM   #1
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Default Ryan Harris draft pick a waste?

Seriously, between his back and his inability to keep on weight, and the fact that we just drafted Clady makes the Harris experiment seem like a big waste of time. Does anyone really see him suited for anything but LT?
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:04 AM   #2
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I don't know what else he can play, but if he's strickly a LT and nothing else then yes he's a waste
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:06 AM   #3
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I personally think he's our RT for the next decade with Clady, Kuper, Hamilton and Holland filling out the best OL we've had since the SB years.

At the least, he could be a capable backup OT which is extremely valuable in today's NFL. Certainly you'd like your 3rd rounders to be on the field (which I believe Harris will be soon), by OL and DL are positions where you can never have enough talent.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:07 AM   #4
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I think he'll wind up at center. He's not big or physical enough for RT and I'm not sure how he is at pulling in space but he might be groomed to take Nalen's spot. Maybe he becomes a utility guy who fills in at more than one spot off the bench. It's to early to call him a bust when he wasn't even healthy last year.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:11 AM   #5
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From what I've heard the front office likes Harris at this point.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:13 AM   #6
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I think he'll wind up at center. He's not big or physical enough for RT and I'm not sure how he is at pulling in space but he might be groomed to take Nalen's spot. Maybe he becomes a utility guy who fills in at more than one spot off the bench. It's to early to call him a bust when he wasn't even healthy last year.
has he ever played this before?
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:19 AM   #7
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I feel good having Clady and Harris both availiable for time at LT, I don't want to flashback to when Erik Pears was our only option after Lepsis got hurt during Cutlers rookie yr.
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:20 AM   #8
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Give Harris time. Give Clady OLT.

When have the Broncos had too much depth on the OL?
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Old 04-27-2008, 01:35 AM   #9
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The coaches love him. I expect Clady to be at RT to start competing with Kuper for the Job. I think Harris and Pears will be competing for the LT job.
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I'm starting to feel much better about our talent/depth on the Oline.

Cutler with time to throw is a scary prospect for other teams
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The staff does like Harris. He's a particularly smart young guy and has smooth mechanics in both run and pass blocking.

The knock on him has been more health related than anything else.

Not so sure about the LT competition for Harris, but getting Clady experience at RT isn't bad idea at all, especially considering the supposition that his run blocking needs to most work.
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The staff does like Harris. He's a particularly smart young guy and has smooth mechanics in both run and pass blocking.

The knock on him has been more health related than anything else.

Not so sure about the LT competition for Harris, but getting Clady experience at RT isn't bad idea at all, especially considering the supposition that his run blocking needs to most work.
Wabbit, this is OT I know. But have you heard anything about Mcdonald Bag's injury?
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Wabbit, this is OT I know. But have you heard anything about Mcdonald Bag's injury?
Only that the staff is still very concerned and has extracted a promise from Marshall that he will stick to a very rigid re-hab regimen.
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:33 AM   #14
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Clady will be our starting LT this year. The guys we had just are no match for this serious upgrade at the position. I know some of you harbor homeristic attitudes to Harris and pears but give me a break. Clady at #12 will be our starting LT, hands-down (not RT). If he can't win a starting job THIS year at LT over Kuper, Pears or Harris then we had no business drafting this guy.
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The staff does like Harris. He's a particularly smart young guy and has smooth mechanics in both run and pass blocking.

The knock on him has been more health related than anything else.

Not so sure about the LT competition for Harris, but getting Clady experience at RT isn't bad idea at all, especially considering the supposition that his run blocking needs to most work.
Isnt the right tackle normally supposed to be a good run blocker?
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has he ever played this before?
Not that I know of, but they seem to move some of these backup guys around on the line a lot so it won't surprise me if we see him slotted in there at some point. He's not an RT, that much I'm pretty sure of. Then again...neither is Pears...a least not a starting caliber one IMO. Right now I don't really care becaue I'm just glad we finally adressed the pass protection for Jay. I'd love it if we picked up another true power tackle to challenge the right side. The Ohio State kid Nicks is a monster with 1st round talent but very raw an inexperienced and he's still there.
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Old 04-27-2008, 06:10 AM   #17
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Having watched Harris through basically his entire college career I'd have to say that he could make a very good RT, if he can stay healthy. But then I think he'd also make a very good LT or OG if healthy as well.

He's very mobile, so the various shifts and pulls required by our OL, both inside and out, should be very easy for him. In fact, in Weiss' pro style offense at ND Harris was typically the guy most often asked to make key blocks in space, get downfield, etc..

It really all comes down to how his back will fare when he starts to see regular NFL action. If he can stay healthy he'll be able to stay at the 305-310 range that gives him enough bulk and power to be effective at basically any OL position, given his excellent technique and mobility. If he keeps having back problems though it'll drive his weight down just like it did at ND and he'll never be a reliable OT.

I think the back problems will clear up and that he'll establish himself as our RT. Shanahan has said that LT is Clady's job to lose and I don't think he's going to lose it. He's so much more significantly talented than our other OT options that its basically a rigged competition. The biggest obstacle Harris will face other than injury is Kuper, who I think could become a standout RT himself.

One thing to keep in mind though, even if Kuper wins the RT job we still have value in Harris. He can backup both OT spots and given some time we could probably expand his effectiveness to backing up at OG as well. He also played special teams every year at ND until his senior year and is a very mobile blocker on kick and punt returns, something we need a lot more of. He's got versatility, and if he stays healthy we'll get good value for him.
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Having watched Harris through basically his entire college career I'd have to say that he could make a very good RT, if he can stay healthy. But then I think he'd also make a very good LT or OG if healthy as well.

He's very mobile, so the various shifts and pulls required by our OL, both inside and out, should be very easy for him. In fact, in Weiss' pro style offense at ND Harris was typically the guy most often asked to make key blocks in space, get downfield, etc..

It really all comes down to how his back will fare when he starts to see regular NFL action. If he can stay healthy he'll be able to stay at the 305-310 range that gives him enough bulk and power to be effective at basically any OL position, given his excellent technique and mobility. If he keeps having back problems though it'll drive his weight down just like it did at ND and he'll never be a reliable OT.

I think the back problems will clear up and that he'll establish himself as our RT. Shanahan has said that LT is Clady's job to lose and I don't think he's going to lose it. He's so much more significantly talented than our other OT options that its basically a rigged competition. The biggest obstacle Harris will face other than injury is Kuper, who I think could become a standout RT himself.

One thing to keep in mind though, even if Kuper wins the RT job we still have value in Harris. He can backup both OT spots and given some time we could probably expand his effectiveness to backing up at OG as well. He also played special teams every year at ND until his senior year and is a very mobile blocker on kick and punt returns, something we need a lot more of. He's got versatility, and if he stays healthy we'll get good value for him.
Harris will be fine or he won't who cares.
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The coaches love him. I expect Clady to be at RT to start competing with Kuper for the Job. I think Harris and Pears will be competing for the LT job.
So once again, we're going to take a guy out of his natural position, and put him somewhere else.......WTF?

Clady is an LT.....PLAY HIM AT LT.
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So once again, we're going to take a guy out of his natural position, and put him somewhere else.......WTF?

Clady is an LT.....PLAY HIM AT LT.
Shanahan has already said he's the No1 LT as of now.

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Harris will be fine or he won't who cares.
Well, I'm guessing we do. Hence the thread.

I don't know about you but I'm a Bronco fan. I enjoy watching them succeed and I enjoy discussing the personnel and attached personnel moves that lead to said success.

Therefore, when we have a potentially very talented young guy like Harris, but no clear home for him and questions about if he can succeed, I enjoy discussing it with equally interested peers, giving feedback to one another through informed and articulate discussion.

Maybe I mistook the purpose of a message board dedicated to a football team though.
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Old 04-27-2008, 09:02 AM   #22
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So once again, we're going to take a guy out of his natural position, and put him somewhere else.......WTF?

Clady is an LT.....PLAY HIM AT LT.
well in college, the guy played Guard, RT, LT, and DEFENSIVE TACKLE ... so i'm not sure it's fair to use this logic...I'm more or less with you though, in that if he is good enough to start at LT right off the bat, then do it, cause he's most valuable there
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yeah it has been said but Harris will end up at RT with Clady at LT...I don't think it was a waste at all personally
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If Harris can be our guy at RT with Clady working out at LT, we've got a great set of pass-blocking OT's to protect Jay for the next decade.
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Old 04-27-2008, 10:54 AM   #25
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Harris was a desperation pick last year. The Broncs had to draft an OT after Lepsis injury and the Foster debacle. Unfortunately, last year there were only 2 legit tackles in the draft and they went in the first 5 picks.
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