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Old 04-06-2008, 06:32 PM   #1
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So I guess I am a glutton for Punishment- I watched the BroncosvsRaiders and BroncosVsColts on NFL Replay. In both games I tried to watch our lines as that seemed to be our biggest trouble spot.

Yes we were getting pushed around. There was no stacking what so ever, backs had alleys to run through. Amon Gordon was just plain bad. Mickinnley not much better. And Jarvis Moss standing up in a 2 point stance was a Terrible decision. He is a tall lanky guy anyway there is no way he could hold up in a 2 point stance at DT.

That Said Javis Moss had a suddeness in his movements that you just can't teach. He explodes off the line and when he gets clear he closes like a cat. How many times have you seen a DE beat his block and not be able to get to the QB. Moss won't have that problem when he wins at the Line of scrimmage a sack will follow. From what I saw in the few plays he was in the guy has skills that will make him a good DE against the pass. Against the run he will be a liability but DE that can do both get drafted in the Top 5.
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:47 PM   #2
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I'm in the minority but I think Moss is going to be a great player for us. Even if he's just above average, with Dumervil on the other side he'll have a lot opportunities to make plays. The thing I liked most about him was how right before he got hurt he started making plays in the run game.
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:48 PM   #3
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I start him on Madden!
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He's going to a stud. I don't know why people are so quick to label him a bust. He was really starting to make plays before he broke his fibula in a freak practice accident.
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:50 PM   #5
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Moss was the only guy besides Elvis that showed any reason to be hopeful about anything D-line related last year, and even then... Moss only showed tiny flashes. Coming off of a torn up knee, I'm remaining moderately optimistic that he can contribute in a meaningful way.

Again, even a HEALTHY second year d-linemen usually has struggles. A guy who played half a season, is undersized and coming off of a bad injury figures to take another year to develop, at best.

This is why a move for a guy like Jason Taylor makes so much sense for us.
For those who say we're "too far away from contention" to make a move like that just need to look at the New York Giants last year. Were they close to a Superbowl the year before?

Things can happen quickly, and as the Superbowl once again showed us... defense, and defensive LINES win championships. Or, at minimum... they're a crucial element.

Ours is dog doo.
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Old 04-06-2008, 06:52 PM   #6
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He's going to a stud.
There is no evidence at all on which to base that. If you're HOPING he's a stud, that's fantastic. There's no evidence that he'll even be able to hold a starting job or stay healthy, much less that he's "GOING" to be a stud.

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I don't know why people are so quick to label him a bust.
I haven't read that anywhere. In fact, I've read more people around here banking on him being a "stud" than anyone saying he's a bust.

He's an unknown commodity facing an uphill battle. He did show some skills at times. That's the reality of it.
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I'm not aware he had any "torn up knee". He broke his fibula. His knee injury was, what, a sprain in Week 3 of the preseason? I really doubt that's any kind of concern.
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Old 04-06-2008, 07:10 PM   #8
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I'm in the minority but I think Moss is going to be a great player for us. Even if he's just above average, with Dumervil on the other side he'll have a lot opportunities to make plays. The thing I liked most about him was how right before he got hurt he started making plays in the run game.
I agree. I thought he was really starting to figure things out a bit...then Zang! His season was over.
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I'm in the minority but I think Moss is going to be a great player for us. Even if he's just above average, with Dumervil on the other side he'll have a lot opportunities to make plays. The thing I liked most about him was how right before he got hurt he started making plays in the run game.
I agree that Moss will be an awesome player on the team, but i am thinking Crowder might end up being the every down all around pass and run guy while Moss and Doom come in on obvious passing downs, and alternate on the other side with Crowder
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Moss was the only guy besides Elvis that showed any reason to be hopeful about anything D-line related last year, and even then... Moss only showed tiny flashes. Coming off of a torn up knee, I'm remaining moderately optimistic that he can contribute in a meaningful way.
Moss didn't tear up his knee, he broke his shin. It has since healed and he's fulling participating in the offseason program. Bone breaks are typically very easy to recover from.
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Old 04-06-2008, 07:17 PM   #11
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Moss may not be an every down player in the NFL but he has really long arms and he is quick. He needs to add some strength and weight, but I think he will be a good player.
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Moss didn't tear up his knee, he broke his shin. It has since healed and he's fulling participating in the offseason program. Bone breaks are typically very easy to recover from.
Moss didn't tear up his knee or break his shin. He fractured his fibula, the smaller bone in the outside part of the lower, and tore some ligaments in his ankle. The broken bone will have healed months ago and is a non-issue, but ligaments have a tendency to heal slowly. He should easily be 100% before the first day of mini camp if he isn't already there.

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Ah, tibia. My apologies for saying it was the fibula.
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Ok, I stand corrected. Regardless, this article is from early February and it said he was right on schedule.

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/new...oncos-de-moss/
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Ah, tibia. My apologies for saying it was the fibula.
No my apologies, it is his fibula, which is the small outside bone in the lower part of the leg. That was a misprint in my first post.
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Old 04-06-2008, 07:42 PM   #16
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Actually it was the fibula. Being a person that has broke the Tib and Fib I would be more worried about the nerve damage, as a broken bone can act like shrapnel, depending on the force of the break. My foot is still pretty much numb after 8 years or so.

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was it a fractue or a break? huge difference.
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I stand corrected. Fibula.

I think it was a break, which is actually better. Breaks heal faster and actually come back stronger than the bone was before.
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I stand corrected, too. I said knee.

Though, this probably isn't much better.
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Moss will never be a great DE. Adequate, ok, I can see that. He can play ten years in the League, get maybe 40 sacks, be solid against the run, that's it. Moss has no attack at all from what I've seen. Elvis stood out from snap one as a rookie, compare Moss to Elvis. Moss never stood out at all from snap one to snap last, and he won't stand out this year or any year from here on out.
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i still have high hopes for moss, he got injured so we don't yet. this is a big yr for him.
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He's going to a stud. I don't know why people are so quick to label him a bust. He was really starting to make plays before he broke his fibula in a freak practice accident.
far as i know i'm about the only one saying that he's going to be a bust...

and frankly it's because he just hasn't shown me any reason to believe differently thus far...

i look forward to him hoepfully proving me wrong....

i don't want to see another 1st round bust by the broncos...
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