Robertson again

[rugbythug]

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8818449

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The next three weeks at Dove Valley will be devoted to the draft. The Broncos have the No. 12 and 42 overall picks on the first day, April 26.

On the second day, the Broncos hope to use one of their late-round picks to acquire Jets" defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson


Have they ironed out a contract? I have read at broncomania that they had. I have not seen anything here.

[Broncojef]

Originally Posted by rugbythug

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8818449

Up next
The next three weeks at Dove Valley will be devoted to the draft. The Broncos have the No. 12 and 42 overall picks on the first day, April 26.

On the second day, the Broncos hope to use one of their late-round picks to acquire Jets" defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson


Have they ironed out a contract? I have read at broncomania that they had. I have not seen anything here.

Hes a big body that may be damaged goods and costs a ton of money how can Shanny resist?

[cmhargrove]

Wasn't there a roster bonus or something in April?

That means the Jets would eat the bonus, then trade? I just don't remember when his next payday was, but I thought it was before the draft.

If we can get an incentive laden contract, he would certainly be worth a sixth or seventh rounder, although I doubt we would be the only ones calling for Robertson with those terms.

[Paladin]

But, but, but....... Everyone says he would be the best Dlneman on the team......

Guess that means the Broncos will take either McFaddin - if he's there - or Mendenhall in the first....

[rugbythug]

June 1 roster bonus

[wabbit]

Originally Posted by rugbythug

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_8818449

Up next
The next three weeks at Dove Valley will be devoted to the draft. The Broncos have the No. 12 and 42 overall picks on the first day, April 26.

On the second day, the Broncos hope to use one of their late-round picks to acquire Jets" defensive tackle Dewayne Robertson


Have they ironed out a contract? I have read at broncomania that they had. I have not seen anything here.

I have resigned myself to the fact that Denver is going to trade for this guy, question marks & all.

The Bronco organization as a whole seems almost desperate to NOT have to focus one of the early selections of the draft on DT, although somewhere in the process, the selection of a DT is a virtual certainty.

The broad parameters of an agreement may've been worked out...I don't know for certain, but I do know they were fairly close as the talks have fluctuated between on again, off again.

The last hitch, as I understand it, has been the guaranteed money...something of a sensitive subject at Dove Valley these days.

[chrisp]

Originally Posted by wabbit

I have resigned myself to the fact that Denver is going to trade for this guy, question marks & all.

The Bronco organization as a whole seems almost desperate to NOT have to focus one of the early selections of the draft on DT, although somewhere in the process, the selection of a DT is a virtual certainty.

The broad parameters of an agreement may've been worked out...I don't know for certain, but I do know they were fairly close as the talks have fluctuated between on again, off again.

The last hitch, as I understand it, has been the guaranteed money...something of a sensitive subject at Dove Valley these days.

If its taken this long to work out a deal you would have to think that we have hammered out something that is fairly cap-friendly and doesn't cost us too much if he blows out - he's a solid vet as long as the knees hold up.

....and a 2nd day pick I can live with - this guy may or may not contribute but you could say exactly the same thing about a 6th or 7th round draft pick,at least if Roberston DOES come in AND the knee holds up he should make more of an impact - your late-round draft selections are doing well just to secure a place on the bench.

[NFLBRONCO]

Originally Posted by wabbit

I have resigned myself to the fact that Denver is going to trade for this guy, question marks & all.

The Bronco organization as a whole seems almost desperate to NOT have to focus one of the early selections of the draft on DT, although somewhere in the process, the selection of a DT is a virtual certainty.

The broad parameters of an agreement may've been worked out...I don't know for certain, but I do know they were fairly close as the talks have fluctuated between on again, off again.

The last hitch, as I understand it, has been the guaranteed money...something of a sensitive subject at Dove Valley these days.

By 2010 we will be stuck with a huge contract and damaged goods and we will release him. Our luck with injuries lately this deal scares me because he has played alot even on bad knees he will get here and miss alot of games just watch.

[mattob14]

Originally Posted by wabbit

I have resigned myself to the fact that Denver is going to trade for this guy, question marks & all.

The Bronco organization as a whole seems almost desperate to NOT have to focus one of the early selections of the draft on DT, although somewhere in the process, the selection of a DT is a virtual certainty.
The broad parameters of an agreement may've been worked out...I don't know for certain, but I do know they were fairly close as the talks have fluctuated between on again, off again.

The last hitch, as I understand it, has been the guaranteed money...something of a sensitive subject at Dove Valley these days.

Given the DT group available this year, it's probably good that Denver's working to avoid grabbing one early. We at least need someone in the middle rounds, but I'd hate to see us reach for a DT in round 2 because we need another body. There will be much better talent at RB, WR, or OL in round 2 than at DT.

[Popps]

I just can't see how upset people can get about this. The guy has never missed any playing time and it looks like we'll be using a 2nd day pick to bring him in.
He seems to be fairly well respected by those who watched him play closely.

We've got absolutely nothing on the D-line. Nothing.

Taking a swing at a guy for a middle-round pick is just not a big deal either way. The potential upside is obvious. The potential downside is obvious... and limited.

It's a well-hedged bet at a position of desperate need.

[Merlin]

Originally Posted by Popps

It's a well-hedged bet at a position of desperate need.

If it is a late round draft choice you give it and walk away smiling. Worst case scenario he gives Denver a couple of years of service. For a late round draft choice, that is more than sufficient payback. Highly unlikely that Denver will hit with all its late round choices, and this one at least gives you a guaranteed starter at spot of huge need, and where the draft stinks after the first couple of DT.

[Inkana7]

He's a beast on my Madden dynasty. Always makes the pro bowl, always top-3 in DL of the Year award.

[Broncojef]

Originally Posted by mattob14

Given the DT group available this year, it's probably good that Denver's working to avoid grabbing one early. We at least need someone in the middle rounds, but I'd hate to see us reach for a DT in round 2 because we need another body. There will be much better talent at RB, WR, or OL in round 2 than at DT.

Thats not really true, while I can think of no one at DT I'd want at #12 (Dorsey/Ellis gone) there are 3 or 4 I could live with in the second..Laws, Moore, Sims, Bryant. Matter of fact even if we do get Robertson I truly hope one of those guys will be drafted by us in the second.

[Sodak]

This reminds me a little of when Denver was bringing in Schlereth from Washington. I think he had already had about 11 surgeries on his knees at that point.

[telluride]

Originally Posted by chrisp

If its taken this long to work out a deal you would have to think that we have hammered out something that is fairly cap-friendly and doesn't cost us too much if he blows out - he's a solid vet as long as the knees hold up.

....and a 2nd day pick I can live with - this guy may or may not contribute but you could say exactly the same thing about a 6th or 7th round draft pick,at least if Roberston DOES come in AND the knee holds up he should make more of an impact - your late-round draft selections are doing well just to secure a place on the bench.

It's that kind of thinking that's gotten us a team with crappy special teams and very little depth. The reality is that we've been a .500 team for the past two years. We're going to be pretty average again this year, and perhaps even the next. We aren't in "one player away" mode. It'll be 2010 before we are at that stage again, if even then. By then, Robertson will be hugely expensive and even more broken down.

Keep every draft pick. Draft wisely. Build a deep, young, cost-effective team. And don't gamble on questionable free agents. For Shanny, these gambles NEVER work out.

[Kaylore]

Originally Posted by Popps

I just can't see how upset people can get about this.

Because his knee is gone. He failed a physical and won't budge on his contract.

We've got absolutely nothing on the D-line. Nothing.

Totally untrue.

[Gcver2ver3]

Originally Posted by wabbit

I have resigned myself to the fact that Denver is going to trade for this guy, question marks & all.

The Bronco organization as a whole seems almost desperate to NOT have to focus one of the early selections of the draft on DT,

i think you're right...

my expectation is we go OT with our #12...

and WR with our #42...

although LB may get a look as well...

[mattob14]

Originally Posted by Broncojef

Thats not really true, while I can think of no one at DT I'd want at #12 (Dorsey/Ellis gone) there are 3 or 4 I could live with in the second..Laws, Moore, Sims, Bryant. Matter of fact even if we do get Robertson I truly hope one of those guys will be drafted by us in the second.

But if we don't get Robertson, we basically have to grab one of these guys in round 2. I'd hate to pass up a slider like Kenny Phillips or Jonathan Stewart in round 2 because we felt like we had to draft Red Bryant. Those are two guys who have the potential to be top-10 at their positions in the future, while Bryant is a two-down rotational player. If we feel that the value is there at DT and can bring in a rookie to play in rotation with Robertson and Thomas, great. I just don't want to be forced into a need pick if the value isn't there.

[bap454]

I would rather us trade our 12th pick, foxworth, and the late pick to the
Ravens. Then pick Ellis from USC. Makes perfect sense to me... any takers??

[Broncoman13]

Originally Posted by Popps

I just can't see how upset people can get about this. The guy has never missed any playing time and it looks like we'll be using a 2nd day pick to bring him in.
He seems to be fairly well respected by those who watched him play closely.

We've got absolutely nothing on the D-line. Nothing.

Taking a swing at a guy for a middle-round pick is just not a big deal either way. The potential upside is obvious. The potential downside is obvious... and limited.

It's a well-hedged bet at a position of desperate need.

For a 2nd round pick I'd be concerned and not in favor... for a late pick I like the deal. You said it well.

[eddie mac]

I want Robertson here because he upgrades the paper-mache DT position ten-fold. I just hope this isn't too expensive in terms of guaranteed money and compensation. I doubt it will be though with 2 reported failed physicals being made public.

[Pseudofool]

Originally Posted by Popps

I just can't see how upset people can get about this. The guy has never missed any playing time and it looks like we'll be using a 2nd day pick to bring him in.
He seems to be fairly well respected by those who watched him play closely.

We've got absolutely nothing on the D-line. Nothing.

Taking a swing at a guy for a middle-round pick is just not a big deal either way. The potential upside is obvious. The potential downside is obvious... and limited.

It's a well-hedged bet at a position of desperate need.

Agreed. Money is the only problem and I imagine they will work that out if they trade for him.

[rovolution]

Originally Posted by Pseudofool

Agreed. Money is the only problem and I imagine they will work that out if they trade for him.

Then i think the trade would have been consummated by now.

From all accounts, the thing that is holding this up is Robertson's unwillingness to renegotiate his deal.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by bap454

I would rather us trade our 12th pick, foxworth, and the late pick to the
Ravens. Then pick Ellis from USC. Makes perfect sense to me... any takers??

I'd rather do both, and get Ellis and Robertson.

[Northman]

Originally Posted by telluride

Keep every draft pick. Draft wisely. Build a deep, young, cost-effective team. And don't gamble on questionable free agents.

Totally agree with this.