Bill Clinton : 'Paranoid' hecklers 'come and scream at me everywhere' - The Orange Mane

Spider · 03-13-2008, 11:12 AM

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bill_C...lers_0312.html
Campaigning for his wife in Erie, Pennsylvania, Bill Clinton returned fire at a heckler who began shouting about the former president's attendance at a 1991 invitation-only conference of wealthy powerbrokers -- "1991 Bilderberg" -- implying that discussion there led to unfair trade policy such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).

As the audience booed, Clinton replied: “Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait… This is the deal folks. All these folks that are paranoid at the world folks, come and scream at me everywhere. You said you would go if I answered the question, right? You said you would go if I answered the question…"

"All right, here’s the answer. I happened to be in Europe then on my way to Russia I was invited to go to Bilderberg by Vernon Jordan, a friend of mine and a genuine hero of the civil rights movement. And to the best of my knowledge NAFTA was not discussed by anybody in my presence. I happened to be on my way to Europe where people do not give a rip about NAFTA.

"Number two, okay. Number two. I tried to get labor and environmental standards in the agreement but I couldn’t because it was all negotiated when I got there.

"Number three. When I was president, we enforced our trade laws five times as much as the Bush Administration did… Family incomes went up $7,500 a year when I was president, they’re down $1,000 now. So I was not… I had a very good time talking to those Europeans about European affairs and what was going to happen to Russia but I was not somehow polluted by it into sacrificing America’s economic interests. America did a lot better when I was president than they did in this decade. And that’s the truth. Now. Goodbye. Thank you."

This video is from ABCNews.com, broadcast March 12, 2008.

alkemical · 03-13-2008, 11:28 AM

blah blah blah blah

ElwayMD · 03-13-2008, 11:39 AM

Does Clinton add "to the best of my knowledge" to everything he says so he can worm out of everything?

"Mr. Clinton what did you eat for breakfast today?"
"To the best of my knowledge it was pancakes but it might have been eggs, but I didn't have sexual relations with them."

Spider · 03-13-2008, 12:14 PM

Man I dont know about you guys , but I agreed with Clinton on this , Money was good ,Fuel was cheap , freight was moving big time ..... Hell in 96 People were quitting just to get a day off .......I sure do miss those days ...... But from 2001 until now it has sucked .... I dont know why people let a man lying about a blow job get them all twisted up t othe point where they will be proud of voting for a congress and a president that will **** them out of work and money ... I will never understand that

bronco militia · 03-13-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider

Man I dont know about you guys , but I agreed with Clinton on this , Money was good ,Fuel was cheap , freight was moving big time ..... Hell in 96 People were quitting just to get a day off .......I sure do miss those days ...... But from 2001 until now it has sucked .... I dont know why people let a man lying about a blow job get them all twisted up t othe point where they will be proud of voting for a congress and a president that will **** them out of work and money ... I will never understand that

in 1996 we had a republican congress. along with other world events, the NAFTA decision is finally catchign up with the USA

Spider · 03-13-2008, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

in 1996 we had a republican congress. along with other world events, the NAFTA decision is finally catchign up with the USA

Meh .NAFTA isnt catching up , piss poor trade with China is ...... NAFTA is just the smoke screen and yes Clinton is much to blame for China , but it was the Bush administration that didnt enforce the trade laws ........

alkemical · 03-13-2008, 12:52 PM

China will exploit mexico and bring the goods via that way - so nafta can catch up w/us.

Spider · 03-13-2008, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by claviculasolomonis

China will exploit mexico and bring the goods via that way - so nafta can catch up w/us.

Right now China is exploiting the Carbbeans with textitiles etc . China is piggy backing alot of goods that way including 50 inch Plasma TV's even though China said it would stop .......

Rigs11 · 03-13-2008, 03:43 PM

Wigs on another one of his lunatic tirades

W*GS · 03-13-2008, 03:58 PM

Did you come up with that, or did LABF wriggle his hand?

W*GS · 03-13-2008, 04:00 PM

I happen to support the principle and policy of free and open trade.

Protectionism, tariffs, quotas and the like are for ****heads.

Spider · 03-13-2008, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS

Did you come up with that, or did LABF wriggle his hand?

why looking for a fisting fix ?

Spider · 03-13-2008, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS

I happen to support the principle and policy of free and open trade.

Protectionism, tariffs, quotas and the like are for ****heads.

so says the punk working in a office doing weather climates .......... W*GS you dont have the first clue about being blue collar or busting you ass to make a living ....... you wouldnt know a hards days work even if it jumped up and bite you in the ass

Rohirrim · 03-13-2008, 04:52 PM

Business Forum: NAFTA helped increase flow of illegal immigrants

Advocates say free trade has worked as intended. But the result has been a vast increase in illegal migration.

By David Morris

The debate about illegal immigration rarely mentions the North American Free Trade Agreement, known as NAFTA. That's regrettable, since the flood of illegal Mexicans in 2006 empirically challenges the philosophy that guided NAFTA's design.

The slogan of those who championed NAFTA was, "Trade, not aid."

The pact would solve our problems with little or no transfer of funds from richer Canadians and Americans to poorer Mexicans, it was widely believed.

By raising Mexican living standards and wage levels, Attorney General Janet Reno predicted, NAFTA would reduce illegal immigration by up to two-thirds in six years. "NAFTA is our best hope for reducing illegal migration in the long haul," Reno declared in 1994. "If it fails, effective immigration control will become impossible."

NAFTA succeeded, at least on its own terms. As Jaime Serra Puche, Mexico's former trade minister and chief NAFTA negotiator recently observed, "When you look at NAFTA in terms of what NAFTA was made for, which were trade flows, investment flows, and in general technological transfer and so on, you can say that NAFTA has been a successful enterprise."

Trade now constitutes 55 percent of Mexico's gross domestic product, up from about 30 percent in 1990. Foreign investment in Mexico has increased by more than 225 percent since 1994.

So when you look at the pact in terms of what it was intended to do, based on what those who wrote it said it was intended to do, it has been a smashing success.

At this point, bringing up an old medical adage might be appropriate: "The surgery was successful, but the patient died." NAFTA achieved its intended goals. But the flood of illegal immigrants to the United States is up, and the standard of living of the average Mexican is down.

Real wages for most Mexicans are lower than when NAFTA took effect. And Mexican wages are diverging from rather than converging with U.S. wages, despite the fact that Mexican worker productivity has increased dramatically.

As NAFTA intended, Mexico has become an export-dependent economy. But this has not benefited most Mexicans. Sandra Polaski of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace points out that Mexican manufacturing increasingly is based on a production model in which component parts are imported, then processed or assembled and then re-exported. The spillover effect of such operations on the broader economy is very limited.

Ironically, one might argue that illegal migration is the only thing saving Mexico from the ravages of NAFTA.

Illegal migration serves as an important safety valve. In the past 10 years, Mexico's working-age population has expanded by about 1 million per year, but the number of jobs has expanded by only half as much, according to a Carnegie study. The annual exodus of 500,000 to 1 million Mexicans reduces labor unrest inside the country.

Migration serves another even more important function: national financial safety net. In 2005, Mexicans in the United States remitted some $20 billion home, about 3 percent of Mexico's national income, according to a March story by Knight Ridder's Washington bureau. Remittances now exceed tourism, oil and the maquiladoras as the country's top single source of foreign exchange.

NAFTA boasted that trade, not aid, would boost the lot of Mexico and Mexicans. Ironically, the only thing that is keeping the wolf from Mexico's door is aid from the United States, via Mexicans living in the United States, not trade.

The European model

It didn't have to be this way. Consider the recent history of the European Union. Europeans realize that the flow of migrants increases when the income gap between countries widens. Thus the European Union invested hundreds of billions of dollars in its poorer countries to reduce the income gap and intra-European tensions between farmers and workers.

This massive investment enabled the E.U.'s four poorest members -- Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain -- to boost their per-capita GDP from 65 percent of the overall E.U. average in l986 to 78 percent in l999.

Unlike Americans, Europeans knew that both trade and aid are needed to make economic integration work.

I would add only one other ingredient to this recipe for success: internally generated development. Sustainable economic development comes from within, from expanding internal markets and internal production that supplies those markets.

Sustainable economic development comes from strengthening, not weakening, local and regional trade networks. And this, in turn, depends on strengthening and not weakening local and regional social networks.

People don't leave their communities, their friends, their families and their cultures because they want to. They leave when they have to.

NAFTA's designers promised it would keep Mexicans at home. Yet its very objectives undermined that possibility. Now leaders in all three countries are trying to pick up the pieces.

One hopes they would use this opportunity to revisit their original premise and model as well.

David Morris is vice president of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, based in Minneapolis and Washington, D.C. His e-mail is dmorris@ilsr.org.

W*GS · 03-13-2008, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider

so says the punk working in a office doing weather climates .......... W*GS you dont have the first clue about being blue collar or busting you ass to make a living ....... you wouldnt know a hards days work even if it jumped up and bite you in the ass

Think again, a-hole. I got to where I am because I did the **** jobs, to earn the money, to go to college, to get the education, to get the job I have.

W*GS · 03-13-2008, 05:29 PM

A couple of questions for Morris and his supporters...

Can you show a causative effect between NAFTA and the increase in illegal immigration, rather than a correlation, or even weaker, [i]post hoc ergo propter hoc[i]?

Would you prefer Americans are taxed to help Mexico richer, which is what the EU did to its richer citizens to aid its poorer?

What are the latest figures on remittances to Mexico from illegal Mexican workers?

What other factors could be associated with the changes in the Mexican economy besides NAFTA?

Spider · 03-13-2008, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by W*GS

Think again, a-hole. I got to where I am because I did the **** jobs, to earn the money, to go to college, to get the education, to get the job I have.

yeah yeah yeah ..... washing dishes as Dennys is hard work I forgot .....

epicSocialism4tw · 03-13-2008, 05:51 PM

I love the idea of Clinton wigging out at protesters...some sweet irony there.

W*GS · 03-13-2008, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Spider

yeah yeah yeah ..... washing dishes as Dennys is hard work I forgot .....

Nope. I did work in campus food services while I was a student - full-time course load + 20/hours week is not an easy thing. I also took on teaching assistantships and test grading too.

Summers I worked with my brother building residential and commercial fencing. And, since it was my brother, he made me do 2x the work so the other guys wouldn't think he was being easy on me.

So, Spider, I ain't no wuss.

Spider · 03-13-2008, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by W*GS

Nope. I did work in campus food services while I was a student - full-time course load + 20/hours week is not an easy thing. I also took on teaching assistantships and test grading too.

Summers I worked with my brother building residential and commercial fencing. And, since it was my brother, he made me do 2x the work so the other guys wouldn't think he was being easy on me.

So, Spider, I ain't no wuss.

did alot of fencing on Al Crows farm as way to kill time when we was bored ....... Al Crows farm is now the K mart in Brighton and that housing development .....

Spider · 03-13-2008, 06:15 PM

Buck hay for a season ...... or work Silage for a season ..... dance with a 90 pound Jack hammer , Drive a rig with no power steering , dig ditch , or shovle sand out of miles and miles of Irrigation ditch ...then go to work in a meat packing plant , or some other production line work , worry about job security to feed your family , then have some punk that works in a office tell you whats what .......

W*GS · 03-13-2008, 06:30 PM

It's precisely because there are ****ty jobs that I worked my ass off to avoid doing them my entire working life.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 03-13-2008, 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spider

Man I dont know about you guys , but I agreed with Clinton on this , Money was good ,Fuel was cheap , freight was moving big time ..... Hell in 96 People were quitting just to get a day off .......I sure do miss those days ...... But from 2001 until now it has sucked .... I dont know why people let a man lying about a blow job get them all twisted up t othe point where they will be proud of voting for a congress and a president that will **** them out of work and money ... I will never understand that

Ding ding ding!

BTW, LMAO @ the righties who try to give the republicans credit for the Clinton economy (particularly when Clinton inherited a sea of red ink from Raygun and Poppy.)

Not one single rethug voted for Clinton's deficit reduction package - Al Gore finally had to break the tie in the Senate.

W*GS · 03-13-2008, 06:47 PM

JFC, LABF.

The President doesn't run the economy - perhaps in your socialist dystopia, but not in reality.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN · 03-13-2008, 06:51 PM

Somehow it's not hard to imagine W*GS as one of the paranoid hecklers.

03-13-2008, 11:12 AM	#1
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Bill Clinton : 'Paranoid' hecklers 'come and scream at me everywhere' http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bill_C...lers_0312.html Campaigning for his wife in Erie, Pennsylvania, Bill Clinton returned fire at a heckler who began shouting about the former president's attendance at a 1991 invitation-only conference of wealthy powerbrokers -- "1991 Bilderberg" -- implying that discussion there led to unfair trade policy such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA). As the audience booed, Clinton replied: “Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait… This is the deal folks. All these folks that are paranoid at the world folks, come and scream at me everywhere. You said you would go if I answered the question, right? You said you would go if I answered the question…" "All right, here’s the answer. I happened to be in Europe then on my way to Russia I was invited to go to Bilderberg by Vernon Jordan, a friend of mine and a genuine hero of the civil rights movement. And to the best of my knowledge NAFTA was not discussed by anybody in my presence. I happened to be on my way to Europe where people do not give a rip about NAFTA. "Number two, okay. Number two. I tried to get labor and environmental standards in the agreement but I couldn’t because it was all negotiated when I got there. "Number three. When I was president, we enforced our trade laws five times as much as the Bush Administration did… Family incomes went up $7,500 a year when I was president, they’re down $1,000 now. So I was not… I had a very good time talking to those Europeans about European affairs and what was going to happen to Russia but I was not somehow polluted by it into sacrificing America’s economic interests. America did a lot better when I was president than they did in this decade. And that’s the truth. Now. Goodbye. Thank you." This video is from ABCNews.com, broadcast March 12, 2008.

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alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,696 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	blah blah blah blah

03-13-2008, 11:39 AM	#3
ElwayMD It Stinks! Meet the New Boss... Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 2,509 Adopt-a-Bronco: Sammy Winder	Does Clinton add "to the best of my knowledge" to everything he says so he can worm out of everything? "Mr. Clinton what did you eat for breakfast today?" "To the best of my knowledge it was pancakes but it might have been eggs, but I didn't have sexual relations with them."

03-13-2008, 12:14 PM	#4
Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Man I dont know about you guys , but I agreed with Clinton on this , Money was good ,Fuel was cheap , freight was moving big time ..... Hell in 96 People were quitting just to get a day off .......I sure do miss those days ...... But from 2001 until now it has sucked .... I dont know why people let a man lying about a blow job get them all twisted up t othe point where they will be proud of voting for a congress and a president that will **** them out of work and money ... I will never understand that

03-13-2008, 12:52 PM	#7
alkemical Guerrilla Ontologist rorrim\|mirror Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Future Posts: 42,696 Adopt-a-Bronco: Prima Materia	China will exploit mexico and bring the goods via that way - so nafta can catch up w/us.

03-13-2008, 03:43 PM	#9
Rigs11 Ring of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 7,829	Wigs on another one of his lunatic tirades

03-13-2008, 03:58 PM	#10
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,511	Did you come up with that, or did LABF wriggle his hand?

03-13-2008, 04:00 PM	#11
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,511	I happen to support the principle and policy of free and open trade. Protectionism, tariffs, quotas and the like are for ****heads.

03-13-2008, 04:52 PM	#14
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,852	Business Forum: NAFTA helped increase flow of illegal immigrants Advocates say free trade has worked as intended. But the result has been a vast increase in illegal migration. By David Morris The debate about illegal immigration rarely mentions the North American Free Trade Agreement, known as NAFTA. That's regrettable, since the flood of illegal Mexicans in 2006 empirically challenges the philosophy that guided NAFTA's design. The slogan of those who championed NAFTA was, "Trade, not aid." The pact would solve our problems with little or no transfer of funds from richer Canadians and Americans to poorer Mexicans, it was widely believed. By raising Mexican living standards and wage levels, Attorney General Janet Reno predicted, NAFTA would reduce illegal immigration by up to two-thirds in six years. "NAFTA is our best hope for reducing illegal migration in the long haul," Reno declared in 1994. "If it fails, effective immigration control will become impossible." NAFTA succeeded, at least on its own terms. As Jaime Serra Puche, Mexico's former trade minister and chief NAFTA negotiator recently observed, "When you look at NAFTA in terms of what NAFTA was made for, which were trade flows, investment flows, and in general technological transfer and so on, you can say that NAFTA has been a successful enterprise." Trade now constitutes 55 percent of Mexico's gross domestic product, up from about 30 percent in 1990. Foreign investment in Mexico has increased by more than 225 percent since 1994. So when you look at the pact in terms of what it was intended to do, based on what those who wrote it said it was intended to do, it has been a smashing success. At this point, bringing up an old medical adage might be appropriate: "The surgery was successful, but the patient died." NAFTA achieved its intended goals. But the flood of illegal immigrants to the United States is up, and the standard of living of the average Mexican is down. Real wages for most Mexicans are lower than when NAFTA took effect. And Mexican wages are diverging from rather than converging with U.S. wages, despite the fact that Mexican worker productivity has increased dramatically. As NAFTA intended, Mexico has become an export-dependent economy. But this has not benefited most Mexicans. Sandra Polaski of the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace points out that Mexican manufacturing increasingly is based on a production model in which component parts are imported, then processed or assembled and then re-exported. The spillover effect of such operations on the broader economy is very limited. Ironically, one might argue that illegal migration is the only thing saving Mexico from the ravages of NAFTA. Illegal migration serves as an important safety valve. In the past 10 years, Mexico's working-age population has expanded by about 1 million per year, but the number of jobs has expanded by only half as much, according to a Carnegie study. The annual exodus of 500,000 to 1 million Mexicans reduces labor unrest inside the country. Migration serves another even more important function: national financial safety net. In 2005, Mexicans in the United States remitted some $20 billion home, about 3 percent of Mexico's national income, according to a March story by Knight Ridder's Washington bureau. Remittances now exceed tourism, oil and the maquiladoras as the country's top single source of foreign exchange. NAFTA boasted that trade, not aid, would boost the lot of Mexico and Mexicans. Ironically, the only thing that is keeping the wolf from Mexico's door is aid from the United States, via Mexicans living in the United States, not trade. The European model It didn't have to be this way. Consider the recent history of the European Union. Europeans realize that the flow of migrants increases when the income gap between countries widens. Thus the European Union invested hundreds of billions of dollars in its poorer countries to reduce the income gap and intra-European tensions between farmers and workers. This massive investment enabled the E.U.'s four poorest members -- Greece, Ireland, Portugal and Spain -- to boost their per-capita GDP from 65 percent of the overall E.U. average in l986 to 78 percent in l999. Unlike Americans, Europeans knew that both trade and aid are needed to make economic integration work. I would add only one other ingredient to this recipe for success: internally generated development. Sustainable economic development comes from within, from expanding internal markets and internal production that supplies those markets. Sustainable economic development comes from strengthening, not weakening, local and regional trade networks. And this, in turn, depends on strengthening and not weakening local and regional social networks. People don't leave their communities, their friends, their families and their cultures because they want to. They leave when they have to. NAFTA's designers promised it would keep Mexicans at home. Yet its very objectives undermined that possibility. Now leaders in all three countries are trying to pick up the pieces. One hopes they would use this opportunity to revisit their original premise and model as well. David Morris is vice president of the Institute for Local Self-Reliance, based in Minneapolis and Washington, D.C. His e-mail is dmorris@ilsr.org.

03-13-2008, 05:29 PM	#16
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,511	A couple of questions for Morris and his supporters... Can you show a causative effect between NAFTA and the increase in illegal immigration, rather than a correlation, or even weaker, [i]post hoc ergo propter hoc[i]? Would you prefer Americans are taxed to help Mexico richer, which is what the EU did to its richer citizens to aid its poorer? What are the latest figures on remittances to Mexico from illegal Mexican workers? What other factors could be associated with the changes in the Mexican economy besides NAFTA?

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epicSocialism4tw Tebowing the long haul all the way to the title Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TX, USA Posts: 37,072 Adopt-a-Bronco: Champ Bailey	I love the idea of Clinton wigging out at protesters...some sweet irony there.

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Spider Mr Diplomacy I survived Tebow Mania at the Mane Join Date: May 2001 Location: Elway was just an arm =MacGruder Posts: 84,438 Adopt-a-Bronco: Von Miller	Buck hay for a season ...... or work Silage for a season ..... dance with a 90 pound Jack hammer , Drive a rig with no power steering , dig ditch , or shovle sand out of miles and miles of Irrigation ditch ...then go to work in a meat packing plant , or some other production line work , worry about job security to feed your family , then have some punk that works in a office tell you whats what .......

03-13-2008, 06:30 PM	#22
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,511	It's precisely because there are ****ty jobs that I worked my ass off to avoid doing them my entire working life.

03-13-2008, 06:47 PM	#24
W*GS Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Earth Posts: 19,511	JFC, LABF. The President doesn't run the economy - perhaps in your socialist dystopia, but not in reality.

03-13-2008, 06:51 PM	#25
L.A. BRONCOS FAN Mo' holla fo' yo' dolla! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: In a bunker in an undisclosed location Posts: 52,694	Somehow it's not hard to imagine W*GS as one of the paranoid hecklers.