Could this be a ST Draft? - The Orange Mane

plummershelper · 03-08-2008, 08:51 AM

There's been a lot of talk about whether we'll go predominantly offensive or defensive in the draft. Obviously both areas need work. But after looking at the roster is really appears the greates deficiency is in special teams. As of now we have no legit kicker, no legit punter, and no legit return specialist.

So, there has been talk of DeSean Jackson in the first, he fits that specialist role. So would Leodis McKelvin, another CB but a phenomenal return man.

The 2nd could be a round to pick for an area of need, OT, DT.

4th and on could contain our future Kicker and Punter - Durant Brooks or Drago at Punter and Taylor Melhaff at Kicker.

It scares me to think that we'd have the possibility of having all these rooks at important positions, but it looks lik that's the way we could be going. Thoughts?

crazyhorse · 03-08-2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by plummershelper

There's been a lot of talk about whether we'll go predominantly offensive or defensive in the draft. Obviously both areas need work. But after looking at the roster is really appears the greates deficiency is in special teams. As of now we have no legit kicker, no legit punter, and no legit return specialist.

So, there has been talk of DeSean Jackson in the first, he fits that specialist role. So would Leodis McKelvin, another CB but a phenomenal return man.

The 2nd could be a round to pick for an area of need, OT, DT.

4th and on could contain our future Kicker and Punter - Durant Brooks or Drago at Punter and Taylor Melhaff at Kicker.

It scares me to think that we'd have the possibility of having all these rooks at important positions, but it looks lik that's the way we could be going. Thoughts?

The only thing dumber than wasting 9 picks on 4 players in last years draft would be to draft special teams in the 1st round.

I'm all for it.

CHANGSTER · 03-08-2008, 09:04 AM

I don't see a kicker or punter being selected that high and I would hate Jackson at 12. Maybe if we traded down to the back of the first would I not be "that" pissed.

I do hope for a returner somewhere and something has to be done about punter and maybe kicker. I hear they're still negotiating at least with Elam.

Atlas · 03-08-2008, 09:15 AM

Denver needs to sign Elam. Give him a 3 year $9 million contract and be done with it. He is too important. IMO

CHANGSTER · 03-08-2008, 09:19 AM

Jason Elam-K- Broncos Mar. 7 - 9:24 am et

Jason Elam and the Broncos are "a ways away" in contract discussions.
The team hopes to continue talking with him next week, but his agent said he might start making trips to visit other teams. Elam is the Bronco's all-time leading scorer.
Source: Denver Post

Thats where were at right now.

Can someone tell me how to post the whole rotoworld graphic news blurb things?

peacepipe · 03-08-2008, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by plummershelper

There's been a lot of talk about whether we'll go predominantly offensive or defensive in the draft. Obviously both areas need work. But after looking at the roster is really appears the greates deficiency is in special teams. As of now we have no legit kicker, no legit punter, and no legit return specialist.

So, there has been talk of DeSean Jackson in the first, he fits that specialist role. So would Leodis McKelvin, another CB but a phenomenal return man.

The 2nd could be a round to pick for an area of need, OT, DT.

4th and on could contain our future Kicker and Punter - Durant Brooks or Drago at Punter and Taylor Melhaff at Kicker.

It scares me to think that we'd have the possibility of having all these rooks at important positions, but it looks lik that's the way we could be going. Thoughts?

Games are won in the trenches,an area we are very weak at.
Specialist type players you draft in the 5th-7th rd,if you draft one at all. 1st round money too much for a player that will only be on the field for 3-5 plays.

Killericon · 03-08-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by CHANGSTER

Jason Elam-K- Broncos Mar. 7 - 9:24 am et

Jason Elam and the Broncos are "a ways away" in contract discussions.
The team hopes to continue talking with him next week, but his agent said he might start making trips to visit other teams. Elam is the Bronco's all-time leading scorer.
Source: Denver Post

Thats where were at right now.

Can someone tell me how to post the whole rotoworld graphic news blurb things?

Press print screen, copy to paint, cut it out, and upload onto imageshack.

s0phr0syne · 03-08-2008, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by plummershelper

There's been a lot of talk about whether we'll go predominantly offensive or defensive in the draft. Obviously both areas need work. But after looking at the roster is really appears the greates deficiency is in special teams. As of now we have no legit kicker, no legit punter, and no legit return specialist.

So, there has been talk of DeSean Jackson in the first, he fits that specialist role. So would Leodis McKelvin, another CB but a phenomenal return man.

The 2nd could be a round to pick for an area of need, OT, DT.

4th and on could contain our future Kicker and Punter - Durant Brooks or Drago at Punter and Taylor Melhaff at Kicker.

It scares me to think that we'd have the possibility of having all these rooks at important positions, but it looks lik that's the way we could be going. Thoughts?

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I hadn't really thought about the draft in this regard. I think you bring up an interesting point, and if the discussions about trading Foxworth are true, I wouldn't mind getting a first round CB/Return Specialist. I mean, I still think OT and DT are the most important positions that we need to address, but I wouldn't die if we built some CB depth for the future; Bly and Bailey aren't getting any younger.

I think we need to get a Kicker/KOS, but I'm still undecided whether the talent will still be there in the Undrafted Free Agent market or not.

Merlin · 03-08-2008, 11:26 AM

1st round pick for a return specialist has got to be one of the biggest bonehead picks any team has ever made (and Denver has some good ones). Can anyone think of a player EVER being picked in the first for STs purposes?

cmhargrove · 03-08-2008, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by s0phr0syne

Maybe I'm in the minority here, but I hadn't really thought about the draft in this regard. I think you bring up an interesting point, and if the discussions about trading Foxworth are true, I wouldn't mind getting a first round CB/Return Specialist. I mean, I still think OT and DT are the most important positions that we need to address, but I wouldn't die if we built some CB depth for the future; Bly and Bailey aren't getting any younger.

I think we need to get a Kicker/KOS, but I'm still undecided whether the talent will still be there in the Undrafted Free Agent market or not.

I agree in principle, but a #12 CB would be an awfully expensive nickel back / kick returner to have on your roster. His contract would be in the range of Cutler's. Your idea makes good sense, but only if we were considering cutting Bly next year. A young CB could learn on the nickel this year, and be ready to start by next year. But, Bly would have to see the writing on the wall...

CHANGSTER · 03-08-2008, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by killericon

Press print screen, copy to paint, cut it out, and upload onto imageshack.

Gotcha, thanks.

But man thats a lot of work, you guys really do all that?

CHANGSTER · 03-08-2008, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Merlin

1st round pick for a return specialist has got to be one of the biggest bonehead picks any team has ever made (and Denver has some good ones). Can anyone think of a player EVER being picked in the first for STs purposes?

Miami took Ginn in the top ten last year. It obviously has paid dividends.

ward63 · 03-08-2008, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Merlin

1st round pick for a return specialist has got to be one of the biggest bonehead picks any team has ever made (and Denver has some good ones). Can anyone think of a player EVER being picked in the first for STs purposes?

Ginn and Sebastian Janikowski

enjolras · 03-08-2008, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by killericon

Press print screen, copy to paint, cut it out, and upload onto imageshack.

Except upload it to Photobucket just because they're Denver based

Kaylore · 03-08-2008, 12:29 PM

We have seven picks. Even if we used three on special teams that's less than half. I don't think this will be a special teams draft.

yerner · 03-08-2008, 12:29 PM

we're going offense. no doubt.

Orange_Beard · 03-08-2008, 12:39 PM

I have never even heard someone proposeing drafting for special teams.

Really, with a D that can't stop the run (30th ranked run D) we need to focus in the draft or FA and get some run stoppers.

Granted if we got a great kick-off returner, he will get many chances if this D stays the same.

The young players we take will need to be the special teams guys.

Merlin · 03-08-2008, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ward63

Ginn and Sebastian Janikowski

So basically 2 of the worst FOs in football have done it and looked extremely stupid after the fact, and now Denver should join the group...thanks but no thanks. Some crowns should be left to the Raiders in the AFCW

plummershelper · 03-08-2008, 01:38 PM

So you're saying there's a chance

I had just been thinking that I'm not quite sure what positions would be worthwile to pick at number 12. It's ridiculously tough to try and predict what Denver would do. I do believe a trade back is our best option at this point, but I began thinking about one of our biggest weaknesses and special teams looks like the weakest phase at this point. It obviously wouldn't be purely special teams, but I'm thinking several picks will be invested in this phase of the game.

Orange_Beard · 03-08-2008, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by plummershelper

So you're saying there's a chance

I had just been thinking that I'm not quite sure what positions would be worthwile to pick at number 12. It's ridiculously tough to try and predict what Denver would do. I do believe a trade back is our best option at this point, but I began thinking about one of our biggest weaknesses and special teams looks like the weakest phase at this point. It obviously wouldn't be purely special teams, but I'm thinking several picks will be invested in this phase of the game.

Not to beat a dead horse, our run D was 30th. I would say that it was "weaker" then special teams.

plummershelper · 03-08-2008, 01:54 PM

True, but we also have no kicker or punter. I guess you're expecting to score a touchdown and 2pt conversion everytime we have the ball. Also, you're willing to let other teams take over at the 40. Nice

~Crash~ · 03-08-2008, 02:19 PM

OL and DL ....this year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

plummershelper · 03-08-2008, 02:51 PM

I can agree on that.

Bronco Yoda · 03-08-2008, 03:36 PM

This elam situation really does suck. Just when we thought our ST couldn't get any worse.

I guess this will force Mike to open the playbook up just a little more eh? Pedal to the metal where 4 & 10 is a go and a two point conversion isn't even debated.

missingnumber7 · 03-08-2008, 04:33 PM

If we pick Drago...or brooks before the 7th round...I will be unhappy. Not that they aren't good punters...but what moves a punter up is his ability to kickoff...which neither do. As much as I would love to see drago put on the orange and blue after the draft...I think he's gonna be a 5 to 7 rounder...for someone just grasping for a pick. Anything higher is just plain ludacris.

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03-08-2008, 08:51 AM	#1
plummershelper Light Rail Rumor Monger I heard on the light rail ... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Burger Heaven, next to my meteorite Posts: 791	Could this be a ST Draft? There's been a lot of talk about whether we'll go predominantly offensive or defensive in the draft. Obviously both areas need work. But after looking at the roster is really appears the greates deficiency is in special teams. As of now we have no legit kicker, no legit punter, and no legit return specialist. So, there has been talk of DeSean Jackson in the first, he fits that specialist role. So would Leodis McKelvin, another CB but a phenomenal return man. The 2nd could be a round to pick for an area of need, OT, DT. 4th and on could contain our future Kicker and Punter - Durant Brooks or Drago at Punter and Taylor Melhaff at Kicker. It scares me to think that we'd have the possibility of having all these rooks at important positions, but it looks lik that's the way we could be going. Thoughts?

03-08-2008, 09:04 AM	#3
CHANGSTER You are a pizza burn... on the roof of the world's mouth Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SD Posts: 1,530	I don't see a kicker or punter being selected that high and I would hate Jackson at 12. Maybe if we traded down to the back of the first would I not be "that" pissed. I do hope for a returner somewhere and something has to be done about punter and maybe kicker. I hear they're still negotiating at least with Elam.

03-08-2008, 09:15 AM	#4
Atlas Draft Defense Early&Often Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 18,526	Denver needs to sign Elam. Give him a 3 year $9 million contract and be done with it. He is too important. IMO

03-08-2008, 09:19 AM	#5
CHANGSTER You are a pizza burn... on the roof of the world's mouth Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: SD Posts: 1,530	Jason Elam-K- Broncos Mar. 7 - 9:24 am et Jason Elam and the Broncos are "a ways away" in contract discussions. The team hopes to continue talking with him next week, but his agent said he might start making trips to visit other teams. Elam is the Bronco's all-time leading scorer. Source: Denver Post Thats where were at right now. Can someone tell me how to post the whole rotoworld graphic news blurb things?

03-08-2008, 11:26 AM	#9
Merlin Ring of Famer Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 2,798	1st round pick for a return specialist has got to be one of the biggest bonehead picks any team has ever made (and Denver has some good ones). Can anyone think of a player EVER being picked in the first for STs purposes?

03-08-2008, 12:29 PM	#15
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,012 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	We have seven picks. Even if we used three on special teams that's less than half. I don't think this will be a special teams draft.

03-08-2008, 12:29 PM	#16
yerner Ring of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Charlottesville VA Posts: 3,304	we're going offense. no doubt.

03-08-2008, 12:39 PM	#17
Orange_Beard Over Jay Cutler Todd Snider Rules! Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Leucadia, CA Posts: 7,836 Adopt-a-Bronco: Tony Scheffler	I have never even heard someone proposeing drafting for special teams. Really, with a D that can't stop the run (30th ranked run D) we need to focus in the draft or FA and get some run stoppers. Granted if we got a great kick-off returner, he will get many chances if this D stays the same. The young players we take will need to be the special teams guys.

03-08-2008, 01:38 PM	#19
plummershelper Light Rail Rumor Monger I heard on the light rail ... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Burger Heaven, next to my meteorite Posts: 791	So you're saying there's a chance I had just been thinking that I'm not quite sure what positions would be worthwile to pick at number 12. It's ridiculously tough to try and predict what Denver would do. I do believe a trade back is our best option at this point, but I began thinking about one of our biggest weaknesses and special teams looks like the weakest phase at this point. It obviously wouldn't be purely special teams, but I'm thinking several picks will be invested in this phase of the game.

03-08-2008, 01:54 PM	#21
plummershelper Light Rail Rumor Monger I heard on the light rail ... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Burger Heaven, next to my meteorite Posts: 791	True, but we also have no kicker or punter. I guess you're expecting to score a touchdown and 2pt conversion everytime we have the ball. Also, you're willing to let other teams take over at the 40. Nice

03-08-2008, 02:19 PM	#22
~Crash~ My new dog Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 6,600 Adopt-a-Bronco: Kuper	OL and DL ....this year !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

03-08-2008, 02:51 PM	#23
plummershelper Light Rail Rumor Monger I heard on the light rail ... Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Burger Heaven, next to my meteorite Posts: 791	I can agree on that.

03-08-2008, 03:36 PM	#24
Bronco Yoda Stokley once... ...saved me from a beating Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 7,244	This elam situation really does suck. Just when we thought our ST couldn't get any worse. I guess this will force Mike to open the playbook up just a little more eh? Pedal to the metal where 4 & 10 is a go and a two point conversion isn't even debated.

03-08-2008, 04:33 PM	#25
missingnumber7 Vote Joe Mays to Pro Bowl Joe 4 Pro Bowl ST's Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bismarck Posts: 4,760 Adopt-a-Bronco: Joe Mays	If we pick Drago...or brooks before the 7th round...I will be unhappy. Not that they aren't good punters...but what moves a punter up is his ability to kickoff...which neither do. As much as I would love to see drago put on the orange and blue after the draft...I think he's gonna be a 5 to 7 rounder...for someone just grasping for a pick. Anything higher is just plain ludacris.