My new Mock: McFadden falls to Denver - The Orange Mane

Cecil Lammey · 03-08-2008, 03:13 AM

http://nfldraftguys.com/features/lammey_mock_draft.php

have at it boys!

wabbit · 03-08-2008, 03:32 AM

Should McFadden fall out of the top ten, he would almost be worth more to Denver in a position trade (Dallas) than any player could ever deliver on the field.

Jerry Jones thinks McFadden is the missing piece to his little kingdom.

Denver might be able to wrestle two #1 picks for the #12 rather than take McFadden, and honestly, I have some faith that Shanahan would take it & run.

chanesaw · 03-08-2008, 08:14 AM

I have surprisingly seen several professional mocks that show Darren dropping to 7-13 range. If he's there at 12 we better draft him and keep him. The guy is awesome. We could still load up on OT and DT in later rounds. We need to pick up at least one safety though.

elsid13 · 03-08-2008, 08:20 AM

Groves that high won't happen. And SI had in its rumor section about ATL coaching staff not getting the warm fuzz over Ryan.

RocBronc · 03-08-2008, 08:37 AM

I'd love McFadden at 12, but I'd also love to win the lottery.... Both have about the same chance of happening.

ICON · 03-08-2008, 09:48 AM

Flacco a D-1AA QB. I think that he is definitley the 3rd best QB but i dont think there is value for him in the 1st round. I also dont think there is value for Brohm that high so he would still be on the board. I do however think that someone like the Ravens or Dolphins may trade into the first round to get Brohm. i think they both drop to the second due to the fact that Brohm, Flacco, & Henne are all clumped together grade wise so the value just isnt there.

(IMO) Ryan is NOT going to Atl. The Falcons should not be looking for a first round QB especially one who isnt worth a top 3 pick and who isnt even 4th on there big board. They will look for a Qb later in draft or wait till next year to see whats there. Give Them, Ellis or Dorsey.

Cecil Lammey · 03-08-2008, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ICON

Flacco a D-1AA QB. I think that he is definitley the 3rd best QB but i dont think there is value for him in the 1st round. I also dont think there is value for Brohm that high so he would still be on the board. I do however think that someone like the Ravens or Dolphins may trade into the first round to get Brohm. i think they both drop to the second due to the fact that Brohm, Flacco, & Henne are all clumped together grade wise so the value just isnt there.

(IMO) Ryan is NOT going to Atl. The Falcons should not be looking for a first round QB especially one who isnt worth a top 3 pick and who isnt even 4th on there big board. They will look for a Qb later in draft or wait till next year to see whats there. Give Them, Ellis or Dorsey.

Flacco is my #5 QB (see draftguys.com for my rankings) so this is very high for him.

but I think each year there are players that are taken way too high (akili smith anyone?) and there are players that slide more than we expect (rodgers, quinn).

The Bears love this kid, however - we must caution ourselves to how much team info we listen to. Alot of it is misinformation.

peacepipe · 03-08-2008, 10:21 AM

screw that, if Ryan Clady is there you take him. The hell with McFadden,he's another Tatum Bell as far as I'm cocerned. He has alot of hype around him but he's not all he's cracked up to be. Yeah he has big play capability but so did TBell. You want to know another thing they have in common...it doesn't take much to bring them down.

want2bAbronco2 · 03-08-2008, 11:24 AM

how can you call him another Bell? Bell NEVER had a year like Mcfad did in college. Hell 1yr year of Mcfad was almost better then all 3 of Bells. Bell never got the hard yards, never had as many TDs, never was a hiesman run up 2x, cant throw the ball, and cant catch. Thats like saying someone should still give Ryan Leaf a chance, cause he was just as good as Manning in College.

cmhargrove · 03-08-2008, 11:47 AM

"Mike Shanahan, pick up the white courtesy phone, there is a Mr. Jerry Jones calling for you...."

clint7 · 03-08-2008, 11:52 AM

Mayock on NFL Network also didn't have McFadden going in to Top 10 in his Mock Draft last night. The next 10 picks will be aired on Monday evening (11-20). So I'm not sure if he has him going at Denver's spot or not, but yeah, he didn't have him going in the Top 10 either.

BroncoBuff · 03-08-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by clint7

Mayock on NFL Network also didn't have McFadden going in to Top 10 in his Mock Draft last night. The next 10 picks will be aired on Monday evening (11-20). So I'm not sure if he has him going at Denver's spot or not, but yeah, he didn't have him going in the Top 10 either.

That's exactly right, "Path to the Draft," just watched it an hour ago. If Mayock is right, McFadden might be there.

But I'm opposed in general to drafting RBs high .... we've manufactured them so effectively and for so long now, it seems a waste of a precious (and hopefully rare) high 1st round slot. The highest two RBs we've drafted in the Shanny era (Portis and Bell - both 2nd round), were shipped out for crucial defensive players after each of their second seasons.

So unless we're drafting him to showcase and then trade (doubtful of course), I'm thinking Henry/Young/Hall looks great.

We need DTssss, plural.

s0phr0syne · 03-08-2008, 02:08 PM

IF McFadden were still there at #12 and we were sure that other teams would kill to get him, could we draft him and then trade for whoever offers up stuff? What is the protocol on how that goes down? Can it occur during the draft itself, or does it happen afterward? The only example that comes to mind right away is the Eli Manning/Peepee Rivers swap, but I don't know exactly how that went down.

Paladin · 03-08-2008, 02:15 PM

If memory serves: I think the sparkies drafted Manning and then traded him. Probably got more than they should have because of the threat that another team might bid. If Jones was persistent enough, the Broncos could draft McFadden and trade later in the day, an dmight get more than the to 1s........Maybe the 1s and a player.....

BroncoBuff · 03-08-2008, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by s0phr0syne

IF McFadden were still there at #12 and we were sure that other teams would kill to get him, could we draft him and then trade for whoever offers up stuff? What is the protocol on how that goes down? Can it occur during the draft itself, or does it happen afterward? The only example that comes to mind right away is the Eli Manning/Peepee Rivers swap, but I don't know exactly how that went down.

You can trade whenever you want ... and that's a great idea. And especialy applicable this year because the time on the clock is being reduced.

If we can't trade back before the draft, fine. Then if McFadden falls to us, we'll prolly get even more for a bird in the hand than if we had traded back before the draft.

Northman · 03-08-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wabbit

Should McFadden fall out of the top ten, he would almost be worth more to Denver in a position trade (Dallas) than any player could ever deliver on the field.

Jerry Jones thinks McFadden is the missing piece to his little kingdom.

Denver might be able to wrestle two #1 picks for the #12 rather than take McFadden, and honestly, I have some faith that Shanahan would take it & run.

My thinking exactly. I still dont see McFadden dropping out of the top 5 but even if he does Dallas is going to give up the farm to get him.

Northman · 03-08-2008, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cecil Lammey

Flacco is my #5 QB (see draftguys.com for my rankings) so this is very high for him.

but I think each year there are players that are taken way too high (akili smith anyone?) and there are players that slide more than we expect (rodgers, quinn).

The Bears love this kid, however - we must caution ourselves to how much team info we listen to. Alot of it is misinformation.

In defense of Flacco NFL Network has said his stock is rising bigtime and he has looked the best at the Combine so far. Doesnt mean he will be a great NFL Qb but definitely something teams will look at.

Arkie · 03-08-2008, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by peacepipe

The hell with McFadden,he's another Tatum Bell as far as I'm cocerned. He has alot of hype around him but he's not all he's cracked up to be.

Tatum is too fragile to be the SEC's 2nd all-time career rushing leader. I wish McFadden was coming back. He would have shattered Herschel Walker's record.

Northman · 03-08-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Arkie

Tatum is too fragile to be the SEC's 2nd all-time career rushing leader. I wish McFadden was coming back. He would have shattered Herschel Walker's record.

I was looking at McFadden yesterday and some of his clips and it dawned on me that he reminds me a lot of Walker only better.

NFLBRONCO · 03-08-2008, 03:53 PM

I still believe he goes 4 or 6

PS

Watch him fall to 7 and NE get blockbuster deal from Dallas

Dedhed · 03-08-2008, 04:04 PM

I have Mcfadden as my #4 RB, and would not be at all surpised to see him fall out of the top 10. I would also be brick eating mad if the Broncos didn't sell #12 to whoever wanted Mcfadden the most.

BroncoBuff · 03-08-2008, 04:09 PM

Doesn't "Flacco" translate to "skinny kid" in Spanish?

brncs_fan · 03-08-2008, 04:22 PM

On a side note, I don't think that there is any scenario out there in which KC does not go after a OT, whether it is Long or Clady.

want2bAbronco2 · 03-08-2008, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dedhed

I have Mcfadden as my #4 RB, and would not be at all surpised to see him fall out of the top 10. I would also be brick eating mad if the Broncos didn't sell #12 to whoever wanted Mcfadden the most.

#4? who the heck do you have infront of him?

Kiper/Mayock are 2 of the stupidest draft "experts" I have ever seen. Put the players names on a wall, toss darts and you will be 200x better then there picks.

Billy Clyde Puckett · 03-08-2008, 05:58 PM

Cecil, you live up North where all of your water comes from wells downstream from Rocky Flats - right?

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03-08-2008, 03:13 AM	#1
Cecil Lammey NFL Insider Football is Life Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 214 Adopt-a-Bronco: Eddie Royal	My new Mock: McFadden falls to Denver http://nfldraftguys.com/features/lammey_mock_draft.php have at it boys!

03-08-2008, 03:32 AM	#2
wabbit Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Aurora Posts: 5,449	Should McFadden fall out of the top ten, he would almost be worth more to Denver in a position trade (Dallas) than any player could ever deliver on the field. Jerry Jones thinks McFadden is the missing piece to his little kingdom. Denver might be able to wrestle two #1 picks for the #12 rather than take McFadden, and honestly, I have some faith that Shanahan would take it & run.

03-08-2008, 08:14 AM	#3
chanesaw Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Indiana Posts: 1,174 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis Dumervil	I have surprisingly seen several professional mocks that show Darren dropping to 7-13 range. If he's there at 12 we better draft him and keep him. The guy is awesome. We could still load up on OT and DT in later rounds. We need to pick up at least one safety though.

03-08-2008, 08:20 AM	#4
elsid13 Lost In Space Bóg, Honor, Ojczyzna Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: DC Posts: 19,096	Groves that high won't happen. And SI had in its rumor section about ATL coaching staff not getting the warm fuzz over Ryan.

03-08-2008, 08:37 AM	#5
RocBronc Pro Bowler Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 540	I'd love McFadden at 12, but I'd also love to win the lottery.... Both have about the same chance of happening.

03-08-2008, 09:48 AM	#6
ICON \|^\|Punter of Gnomes\|^\| Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..Snap! Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Long Beach Posts: 2,607 Adopt-a-Bronco: Nate Irving	Flacco a D-1AA QB. I think that he is definitley the 3rd best QB but i dont think there is value for him in the 1st round. I also dont think there is value for Brohm that high so he would still be on the board. I do however think that someone like the Ravens or Dolphins may trade into the first round to get Brohm. i think they both drop to the second due to the fact that Brohm, Flacco, & Henne are all clumped together grade wise so the value just isnt there. (IMO) Ryan is NOT going to Atl. The Falcons should not be looking for a first round QB especially one who isnt worth a top 3 pick and who isnt even 4th on there big board. They will look for a Qb later in draft or wait till next year to see whats there. Give Them, Ellis or Dorsey.

03-08-2008, 10:21 AM	#8
peacepipe Ring of Famer New to the Forum Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 5,765 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	screw that, if Ryan Clady is there you take him. The hell with McFadden,he's another Tatum Bell as far as I'm cocerned. He has alot of hype around him but he's not all he's cracked up to be. Yeah he has big play capability but so did TBell. You want to know another thing they have in common...it doesn't take much to bring them down.

03-08-2008, 11:24 AM	#9
want2bAbronco2 Pro Bowler Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 618	how can you call him another Bell? Bell NEVER had a year like Mcfad did in college. Hell 1yr year of Mcfad was almost better then all 3 of Bells. Bell never got the hard yards, never had as many TDs, never was a hiesman run up 2x, cant throw the ball, and cant catch. Thats like saying someone should still give Ryan Leaf a chance, cause he was just as good as Manning in College.

03-08-2008, 11:47 AM	#10
cmhargrove Is this thing on??? Travis Henry's love child... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tulsa, OK Posts: 6,411 Adopt-a-Bronco: Peyton Hillis	"Mike Shanahan, pick up the white courtesy phone, there is a Mr. Jerry Jones calling for you...."

03-08-2008, 11:52 AM	#11
clint7 Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2001 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 3,046	Mayock on NFL Network also didn't have McFadden going in to Top 10 in his Mock Draft last night. The next 10 picks will be aired on Monday evening (11-20). So I'm not sure if he has him going at Denver's spot or not, but yeah, he didn't have him going in the Top 10 either.

03-08-2008, 02:08 PM	#13
s0phr0syne Symbiotic Absorb and Redirect Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,592 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	IF McFadden were still there at #12 and we were sure that other teams would kill to get him, could we draft him and then trade for whoever offers up stuff? What is the protocol on how that goes down? Can it occur during the draft itself, or does it happen afterward? The only example that comes to mind right away is the Eli Manning/Peepee Rivers swap, but I don't know exactly how that went down.

03-08-2008, 02:15 PM	#14
Paladin Ring of Famer Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 9,150	If memory serves: I think the sparkies drafted Manning and then traded him. Probably got more than they should have because of the threat that another team might bid. If Jones was persistent enough, the Broncos could draft McFadden and trade later in the day, an dmight get more than the to 1s........Maybe the 1s and a player.....

03-08-2008, 03:53 PM	#20
NFLBRONCO Ring of Famer Go Nuggets Go Lakers Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Lafayette Colorado Posts: 7,391	I still believe he goes 4 or 6 PS Watch him fall to 7 and NE get blockbuster deal from Dallas

03-08-2008, 04:04 PM	#21
Dedhed Ring of Famer Fare thee well Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Earth Posts: 9,719 Adopt-a-Bronco: Elvis	I have Mcfadden as my #4 RB, and would not be at all surpised to see him fall out of the top 10. I would also be brick eating mad if the Broncos didn't sell #12 to whoever wanted Mcfadden the most.

03-08-2008, 04:09 PM	#22
BroncoBuff *************** Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Seattle Posts: 25,437 Adopt-a-Bronco: QUANTERUS SMITH	Doesn't "Flacco" translate to "skinny kid" in Spanish?

03-08-2008, 04:22 PM	#23
brncs_fan How about some Tapenade! Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: The Coaches Cradle...Eastern Illinois University Posts: 5,490 Adopt-a-Bronco: Manti Teo	On a side note, I don't think that there is any scenario out there in which KC does not go after a OT, whether it is Long or Clady.

03-08-2008, 05:58 PM	#25
Billy Clyde Puckett Billy=Semi Tough Big Guy Looking down on KC, SD and Oakland Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: between 5,000 and 10,000 feet elevation Posts: 12,665 Adopt-a-Bronco: John Elway	Cecil, you live up North where all of your water comes from wells downstream from Rocky Flats - right?