Another Example of Why You Shouldn't Trust Government

[Rohirrim]

The FBI poked around in the personal data of Americans even when they had no cause to do so. If you give them the power, they will abuse it.

Last year's report found that over a three-year period, the FBI had demanded personal data on people from banks, telephone and Internet providers and credit bureaus without official authorization and in non-emergency circumstances.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23483287/

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The FBI poked around in the personal data of Americans even when they had no cause to do so. If you give them the power, they will abuse it.

Bingo.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

The report is a follow-up to an audit by the inspector general a year ago that found the FBI demanded personal data on people from banks, telephone and Internet providers and credit bureaus without official authorization and in non-emergency circumstances between 2003 and 2005.

Hmmm....not a word of protest from the Bush faithful.

What a surprise.

[Bronco_Beerslug]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The FBI poked around in the personal data of Americans even when they had no cause to do so. If you give them the power, they will abuse it.

Last year's report found that over a three-year period, the FBI had demanded personal data on people from banks, telephone and Internet providers and credit bureaus without official authorization and in non-emergency circumstances.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23483287/

But if you have nothing to hide who cares who is looking in your windows at night?

[orinjkrush]

j edgar hoover would be proud.

[Bronco Jamus]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The FBI poked around in the personal data of Americans even when they had no cause to do so. If you give them the power, they will abuse it.

Last year's report found that over a three-year period, the FBI had demanded personal data on people from banks, telephone and Internet providers and credit bureaus without official authorization and in non-emergency circumstances.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23483287/

Which is exactly why we shouldn't allow government to subsidize or control healthcare.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Bronco Jamus

Which is exactly why we shouldn't allow government to subsidize or control healthcare.

Yeah, the current system is working so well.

[W*GS]

Originally Posted by L.A. BRONCOS FAN

Hmmm....not a word of protest from the Bush faithful.

What a surprise.

And no comment from you on the "If you give them the power, they will abuse it" statement.

No surprise there, either - your socialism prevents you from accepting that statement's essential truth.

[cutthemdown]

So if we can't trust them right now why would you want to make govt bigger like socialism would? The bigger the govt the less you can trust it. Out govt is very big and powerful so I'm not surprised they abuse the power. My point is more that this stuff happens regardless of who is President. Basically I feel pretty secure that I'm not being watched or having my life studied by the FBI, but I still agree we need oversight to try and make sure we catch stuff like this and put a stop to it.

Really though it's how the FBI is using the law not the law itself that is the problem.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by cutthemdown

So if we can't trust them right now why would you want to make govt bigger like socialism would?

Is Bush a socialist?

[alkemical]

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthr...ghlight=celine


Celine's First Law
National Security is the chief cause of national insecurity.

Reflecting the paranoia of the Cold War, Celine's First Law focuses around the fact that to have national security, one must create a secret police. Since internal revolutionaries and external foes would make the secret police a prime target for infiltration, and because the secret police would by necessity have vast powers to blackmail and intimidate other members of the government, another higher set of secret police must be created to monitor the secret police. And even higher set of secret police must then be created to monitor the higher order of secret police. Repeat ad nauseum.

This seemingly infinite regress goes on until every other person in the country is spying on the other one, or "the funding runs out." And since this paranoid and self monitoring situation inherently makes targets of a nation's own citizens, the average person in the nation is more threatened by the massive secret police complex than by whatever foe they were seeking to protect themselves from. Wilson points out that the Soviet Union, which suffered from this in spades, got to the point that it was terrified of painters and poets who could do little harm to them in reality.

At the same time, given the limitation of funding and scale, the perfect security state never truly emerges, leaving the populace still vulnerable from the original threat while also being threatened by the vast and Orwellian secret police.

[alkemical]

Originally Posted by Bronco_Beerslug

But if you have nothing to hide who cares who is looking in your windows at night?

Guilt before innocence!

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The FBI poked around in the personal data of Americans even when they had no cause to do so. If you give them the power, they will abuse it.

Last year's report found that over a three-year period, the FBI had demanded personal data on people from banks, telephone and Internet providers and credit bureaus without official authorization and in non-emergency circumstances.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23483287/

I thought you would have figured this out when Clinton directed the IRS to audit people investigating his "indescretions"

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

I thought you would have figured this out when Clinton directed the IRS to audit people investigating his "indescretions"

Link?

[sirhcyennek81]

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Link?

How old are you?

[TailgateNut]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

How old are you?

Old enough to have put you up for adoption when you where a toddler.

[BABronco]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

The FBI poked around in the personal data of Americans even when they had no cause to do so. If you give them the power, they will abuse it.

Last year's report found that over a three-year period, the FBI had demanded personal data on people from banks, telephone and Internet providers and credit bureaus without official authorization and in non-emergency circumstances.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23483287/

I was unaware we needed another example of why we shouldn't trust our gov...

[Spider]

Originally Posted by sirhcyennek81

I thought you would have figured this out when Clinton directed the IRS to audit people investigating his "indescretions"

more of lets make **** up as we go along ? what you need to ask yourself is this ...... what has the right wing ever told me ,turned out to be true ?
Seriously ask yourself that question ....... then think before you post , you wont get so much ****

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by TailgateNut

Old enough to have put you up for adoption when you where a toddler.

[Dudeskey]

Originally Posted by orinjkrush

j edgar hoover would be proud.

Thats for sure. And yet some people don't see how dangerous it is to give powers like this without oversight, aka declaring the 4th amendment/ FISA null and void.

[L.A. BRONCOS FAN]

Originally Posted by Urinal_Cake

Thats for sure. And yet some people don't see how dangerous it is to give powers like this without oversight, aka declaring the 4th amendment/ FISA null and void.

Those would be the same people who confuse patriotism with blind obedience to authority.