Will Hillary sabotage Obama? - The Orange Mane

Kaylore · 03-04-2008, 10:04 PM

I was just thinking that she'd probably try and take this thing all the way to the convention to make him as vulnerable as possible. If Obama runs and wins then she'd have to wait eight years to run again at which time Americans may have turned the page on her and her husband (I think they already have, but I digress).

My thought was that she's going to be damned before she lets someone steal her nomination (and we all know she thinks its "hers"). I could see her bleeding this out as long as possible to make Obama weak entering the general. I'm not sure it would work, but it seems like something she'd do.

Thoughts?

theAPAOps5 · 03-04-2008, 10:08 PM

Hopefully for Democrats their party puts a stop to it but I don't put anything past the Clintons. I expect her to fully go after MI and FL votes if they benefit her as she won them and they should have a say. Of course she fails to mention that Obama wasn't even on the ticket. She may very well become what the Democrats have hated for 8 years. A person who won the nomination by lawsuit and against the popular vote. That would spell disaster for the party and with McCain already beating her head to head it would seal the election for him.

Thats just my theory on what will transpire. Hopefully calmer heads will prevail and the one who deserves it will get it. That appears to be Obama.

frerottenextelway · 03-04-2008, 10:10 PM

You mean that's not what she's been doing? She's not stupid, she knows there's no path to the nomination right now.

Kaylore · 03-04-2008, 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by frerottenextelway

You mean that's not what she's been doing? She's not stupid, she knows there's no path to the nomination right now.

I considered that but figured she really believed she had a shot purely based on hubris.

theAPAOps5 · 03-04-2008, 10:15 PM

Well she is pathetic then. If she can't win she is going to sink the whole party? That is downright Bush league.

Rohirrim · 03-04-2008, 10:20 PM

No, she won't do that. She'll keep fighting until it's a sure thing, but then I think she'll realize that it's really not so bad being a Senator from NY. You can still accomplish a lot. I imagine she'll call Obama and deal, probably getting some major input on the health care front, which is her main concern.

24champ · 03-04-2008, 10:20 PM

Hillary has already begun assailing Obama...

Kaylore · 03-04-2008, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rohirrim

No, she won't do that. She'll keep fighting until it's a sure thing, but then I think she'll realize that it's really not so bad being a Senator from NY.

You really don't know the Clintons very well.

cutthemdown · 03-04-2008, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

Hopefully for Democrats their party puts a stop to it but I don't put anything past the Clintons. I expect her to fully go after MI and FL votes if they benefit her as she won them and they should have a say. Of course she fails to mention that Obama wasn't even on the ticket. She may very well become what the Democrats have hated for 8 years. A person who won the nomination by lawsuit and against the popular vote. That would spell disaster for the party and with McCain already beating her head to head it would seal the election for him.

Thats just my theory on what will transpire. Hopefully calmer heads will prevail and the one who deserves it will get it. That appears to be Obama.

The funny thing is that Democrats cried so bad when they felt every vote in FLA wasn't counted. Now they say even though the state legally changed the primary date they won't seat any delegates from there. I think all the states should count, the people voted for a reason. Not fair for your vote not to count no matter what party you are. Missing a few votes is probably commonplace but a whole state not counting? that doesn't seem right.

Dukes · 03-04-2008, 10:30 PM

Hearing about republicans voting for her today is hilarious. Keep her in it for as long as possible because it is "her" nomination in her eyes.

theAPAOps5 · 03-04-2008, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

The funny thing is that Democrats cried so bad when they felt every vote in FLA wasn't counted. Now they say even though the state legally changed the primary date they won't seat any delegates from there. I think all the states should count, the people voted for a reason. Not fair for your vote not to count no matter what party you are. Missing a few votes is probably commonplace but a whole state not counting? that doesn't seem right.

I absolutely agree. The problem is all the candidates agreed they wouldn't participate in those states. Most of them kept their promise save for Billary. Obama wasn't even on the ballot. It wouldn't be fair for those votes to count unless they started from scratch.

cutthemdown · 03-04-2008, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

I absolutely agree. The problem is all the candidates agreed they wouldn't participate in those states. Most of them kept their promise save for Billary. Obama wasn't even on the ballot. It wouldn't be fair for those votes to count unless they started from scratch.

I understand that. And I do agree its funny how once Clinton won them she was all for them be counted. I bet had Obama won he would go for them as well. My point is that no one should be able to make any agreement that robs a state of its input. Things like that could tear the republic apart. Also it could backfire and make Fla vote for McCain in the general. Who knows maybe Michigan also.

Bronco Bob · 03-04-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ApaOps5

I absolutely agree. The problem is all the candidates agreed they wouldn't participate in those states. Most of them kept their promise save for Billary. Obama wasn't even on the ballot. It wouldn't be fair for those votes to count unless they started from scratch.

Obama and Edwards were on the Florida ballot. And Obama was running
ads that aired in Florida.

Kaylore · 03-04-2008, 10:54 PM

She's got Ohio and now she's pulling away in Texas! Looks like this campaign is going to drag on!

Dukes · 03-04-2008, 10:57 PM

Whoever can get enough superdeligates will be the winner. Last I heard many were supporting Obama, but I'm sure Billary will have something to say about that.

cutthemdown · 03-04-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Dukes

Whoever can get enough superdeligates will be the winner. Last I heard many were supporting Obama, but I'm sure Billary will have something to say about that.

Super delegates are fair game if the delegate count is close enough. But if it gets to that Dems are going to rip each other apart and give repubs plenty of things to point to come the general election. Repubs have a way more effective way of handling the primary.

Bronco Bob · 03-04-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dukes

Whoever can get enough superdeligates will be the winner. Last I heard many were supporting Obama, but I'm sure Billary will have something to say about that.

So far Hillary has 241 Super Delegates and Obama has 199.

Dukes · 03-04-2008, 11:03 PM

Why do you think dems have superdelegates anyway? Because they don't trust their voters "just in case".

Bronco Bob · 03-04-2008, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dukes

Why do you think dems have superdelegates anyway? Because they don't trust their voters "just in case".

Yes, that's the reason. The Dems saw what happened when McGovern
won the nomination. They don't want another McGovern.

cutthemdown · 03-04-2008, 11:08 PM

GO BILLIARY. Hell she's the most conservative one left!!!!!!

Inkana7 · 03-04-2008, 11:08 PM

All signs point to yes, which makes me uneasy. I can't take another 4 years of a Republican in office.

Bronco Bob · 03-04-2008, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by cutthemdown

GO BILLIARY. Hell she's the most conservative one left!!!!!!

I think with her big wins in Ohio and Rhode Island that even if
she loses Texas by a few points, Mrs. Clinton is going to stay
in the race all the way to Puerto Rico. Now that the press
is starting to take a second look at Obama, it would be silly
for her to drop out now.

ScottXray · 03-04-2008, 11:40 PM

Hillary is ALREADY sabotaging Obama.

Yesterday she said something about her experience...35 years blah blah.. I 'm ready to lead, day one etc.

THEN she said John McCain is also experienced for many years and ready to lead.

And THEN she said "Barack Obama gave a speech in 2004....and that does Not make him ready."

By belittling Obama she just as well might have said...If I can't win the nomination then vote for McCain.

You can bet that that clip (it's on video) is going to be used by McCains attack dogs when the general election gets going...and rightly...

Hillary sucks...she'll do ANYTHING to win the nomination....

Bronco Bob · 03-04-2008, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ScottXray

Hillary sucks...she'll do ANYTHING to win the nomination....

And this makes her any different than Obama how?

Rohirrim · 03-04-2008, 11:42 PM

Nah. Bush I did the same thing against Raygun with all his "voodoo economics" talk. Raygun still won.

03-04-2008, 10:04 PM	#1
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,047 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	Will Hillary sabotage Obama? I was just thinking that she'd probably try and take this thing all the way to the convention to make him as vulnerable as possible. If Obama runs and wins then she'd have to wait eight years to run again at which time Americans may have turned the page on her and her husband (I think they already have, but I digress). My thought was that she's going to be damned before she lets someone steal her nomination (and we all know she thinks its "hers"). I could see her bleeding this out as long as possible to make Obama weak entering the general. I'm not sure it would work, but it seems like something she'd do. Thoughts?

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03-04-2008, 10:08 PM	#2
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,058 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Hopefully for Democrats their party puts a stop to it but I don't put anything past the Clintons. I expect her to fully go after MI and FL votes if they benefit her as she won them and they should have a say. Of course she fails to mention that Obama wasn't even on the ticket. She may very well become what the Democrats have hated for 8 years. A person who won the nomination by lawsuit and against the popular vote. That would spell disaster for the party and with McCain already beating her head to head it would seal the election for him. Thats just my theory on what will transpire. Hopefully calmer heads will prevail and the one who deserves it will get it. That appears to be Obama.

03-04-2008, 10:10 PM	#3
frerottenextelway █████ █████ Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: █████ Posts: 7,888 Adopt-a-Bronco: ██	You mean that's not what she's been doing? She's not stupid, she knows there's no path to the nomination right now.

03-04-2008, 10:15 PM	#5
theAPAOps5 A new beginning! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denver Posts: 26,058 Adopt-a-Bronco: Watermock - RIP	Well she is pathetic then. If she can't win she is going to sink the whole party? That is downright Bush league.

03-04-2008, 10:20 PM	#6
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,838	No, she won't do that. She'll keep fighting until it's a sure thing, but then I think she'll realize that it's really not so bad being a Senator from NY. You can still accomplish a lot. I imagine she'll call Obama and deal, probably getting some major input on the health care front, which is her main concern.

03-04-2008, 10:20 PM	#7
24champ Livin' the dream! Methwolfe Alliance Captain Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 18,545 Adopt-a-Bronco: DomCasual	Hillary has already begun assailing Obama...

03-04-2008, 10:30 PM	#10
Dukes Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,317	Hearing about republicans voting for her today is hilarious. Keep her in it for as long as possible because it is "her" nomination in her eyes.

03-04-2008, 10:54 PM	#14
Kaylore 6-37, Raider fans. Yummy birds and snow! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ceti Alpha V Posts: 41,047 Adopt-a-Bronco: Wesley Duke	She's got Ohio and now she's pulling away in Texas! Looks like this campaign is going to drag on!

03-04-2008, 10:57 PM	#15
Dukes Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,317	Whoever can get enough superdeligates will be the winner. Last I heard many were supporting Obama, but I'm sure Billary will have something to say about that.

03-04-2008, 11:03 PM	#18
Dukes Ring of Famer Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 6,317	Why do you think dems have superdelegates anyway? Because they don't trust their voters "just in case".

03-04-2008, 11:08 PM	#20
cutthemdown A verbis ad verbera Zimm to HOF Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Long Beach Posts: 32,460	GO BILLIARY. Hell she's the most conservative one left!!!!!!

03-04-2008, 11:08 PM	#21
Inkana7 Ring of Famer Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 8,231 Adopt-a-Bronco: Derek Wolfe	All signs point to yes, which makes me uneasy. I can't take another 4 years of a Republican in office.

03-04-2008, 11:40 PM	#23
ScottXray Opinionated A**** Love Me some PANCAKES!** Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: PDX (Portland OR) Posts: 4,663 Adopt-a-Bronco: J. D. Walton	Hillary is ALREADY sabotaging Obama. Yesterday she said something about her experience...35 years blah blah.. I 'm ready to lead, day one etc. THEN she said John McCain is also experienced for many years and ready to lead. And THEN she said "Barack Obama gave a speech in 2004....and that does Not make him ready." By belittling Obama she just as well might have said...If I can't win the nomination then vote for McCain. You can bet that that clip (it's on video) is going to be used by McCains attack dogs when the general election gets going...and rightly... Hillary sucks...she'll do ANYTHING to win the nomination....

03-04-2008, 11:42 PM	#25
Rohirrim Partisan Human Cannonball Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Twixt Hell & Highwater Posts: 48,838	Nah. Bush I did the same thing against Raygun with all his "voodoo economics" talk. Raygun still won.