Jonathan Vilma is available. Jets need a receiver badly. - The Orange Mane

colonelbeef · 02-22-2008, 11:44 AM

The Jets need a deep threat in the worst way. Vilma, when healthy, is a dominating MLB. Don't believe the hype regarding his attitude, I live in NYC, listen to sportstalk radio all the time, am forced to watch Jet games on occasion- the guy has a head on his shoulders. He is a young guy that has been frustrated with the direction of the team, as well as injuries, but in my estimation, has held up well all considered, for a young guy. If healthy, he is a gem. Walker and a late pick, or say a 3rd rounder next year, for Vilma. Get it done.

colonelbeef · 02-22-2008, 11:50 AM

make that a 5th or 6th rounder. Reading up on Jets blogs, the thought it that he is worth a 3rd rounder *if healthy* right now Walker and a 6th this year. Done.

TheDave · 02-22-2008, 11:56 AM

Medical issue for medical issue... Fine by me. But we should be getting the pick not the jets.

Ray Finkle · 02-22-2008, 11:57 AM

pass....Vilma for Walker straight up? yes, no picks.

Atwater His Ass · 02-22-2008, 12:00 PM

Fill a need while creating another. No thanks.

HEAV · 02-22-2008, 12:01 PM

One leg is longer than then the other, leading to his knee issue (Micro-fracture) and the chances of futher issues down the road.

hmmmm It's a tough issue to deal with, trading your injury for their injury.

ant1999e · 02-22-2008, 12:02 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Vilma

"Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans (OCD) in high school, a bone defect that can cause instability and loose particles in the joint, and this is a possible cause behind his season-ending 2007 injury."

colonelbeef · 02-22-2008, 12:03 PM

Vilma's upside is higher than that of Walker, plus he is younger. Both have had season ending leg injuries, that is a wash. All said and done, if he is worth a 3rd rounder, and Walker is worth roughly a late 4- 5th rounder, some other compensation would be necessary. Kid is 26, its worth a shot. DJ and Vilma played together at Miami, no? Obviously I am taking for granted that he will be healthy. When healthy, Vilma is a top 3 MLB, tackling machine, speed to cover any TE in the game. In other words, he is exactly what the Broncos need, toughness and speed up the middle.

bronco militia · 02-22-2008, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

Fill a need while creating another. No thanks.

the broncos got by without Walker for most of 2008. fix the OL, and Glen friggen Martinez will look like the next Rod Smith

Besides, it all depends on how you value each position. Since B-Marsh is the #1 guy, there's no way in hell I'd vallue Walker over a starting NFL MLB.

bronco militia · 02-22-2008, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by HEAV

One leg is longer than then the other, leading to his knee issue (Micro-fracture) and the chances of futher issues down the road.

hmmmm It's a tough issue to deal with, trading your injury for their injury.

damn

montrose · 02-22-2008, 12:06 PM

Although my offseason preference is for more and more picks, Vilma for Walker would be an interesting deal. I'm not keen on keeping Javon in the AFC, but reuniting Vilma with DJ could be fun to watch.

Unfortunately, I have hard time believing Javon would accept a trade to the Jets with their shaky QB situation. Because of this, the Broncos probably realize any compensation for Javon is going to be minimal as the trading team is going to protect themselves from a) him possibly not wanting to play there. b) his injury history.

Good thought though, and certainly worth a call to the Jets FO.

oubronco · 02-22-2008, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ant1999e

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Vilma

"Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans (OCD) in high school, a bone defect that can cause instability and loose particles in the joint, and this is a possible cause behind his season-ending 2007 injury."

well that doesn't sound too good

colonelbeef · 02-22-2008, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

Fill a need while creating another. No thanks.

Receivers are far easier to find than top flite linebackers (when healthy)

the offense was fine last year, Walker was nowhere to be seen. offense is not the trouble with this team; crap tackling was. easier to find a speedy receiver with a 3rd rounder than a starting MLB.

How is this creating a need, when Walker was nonexistant last year anyway? the only need Javon Walker fills on the Broncos is AIWLB (always injured whiny little b*tch)

colonelbeef · 02-22-2008, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bronco militia

the broncos got by without Walker for most of 2008. fix the OL, and Glen friggen Martinez will look like the next Rod Smith

Besides, it all depends on how you value each position. Since B-Marsh is the #1 guy, there's no way in hell I'd vallue Walker over a starting NFL MLB.

precisely. I am not guaranteeing that Vilma is the answer; he is however worth a long hard look.

Atwater His Ass · 02-22-2008, 12:13 PM

WR are easy to find? Since when? How many WR picks did we flop on before hitting with Marshall?

You can get all butt-hurt if you want about Javon, but he would have a better impact on this team than Vilma, giving Cutler two #1 caliber WRs.

colonelbeef · 02-22-2008, 12:14 PM

He has 1 year left on his rookie contract. He plays, he gets paid. If he can go this year, shanahan has to do this. Either way, its a good salary dump (walker) and a decent shot to take. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo..._fly_away.html

Hotrod · 02-22-2008, 12:18 PM

This trade get the official Hotrod stamp of approval

TheDave · 02-22-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by colonelbeef

He has 1 year left on his rookie contract. He plays, he gets paid. If he can go this year, shanahan has to do this. Either way, its a good salary dump (walker) and a decent shot to take. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo..._fly_away.html

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Neither Vilma nor the club explained the nature of the injury, but it was related to a pre-existing condition that required complicated surgery. In the meantime, rookie David Harris flourished in Vilma's role as the defensive signal-caller. In fact, the overall defense improved with Harris in the lineup on a full-time basis.

Tell me that doesn't sound like a future Bronco...

rbackfactory80 · 02-22-2008, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

WR are easy to find? Since when? How many WR picks did we flop on before hitting with Marshall?

You can get all butt-hurt if you want about Javon, but he would have a better impact on this team than Vilma, giving Cutler two #1 caliber WRs.

You obviously don't believe in a thing called chemistry. Walker has proven to not be a team player his entire career. And besides its not about any position. It is about finding the right combination of players that get better together. As talented a Javon is, he will not help this team next year. He is a selfish human.

colonelbeef · 02-22-2008, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

WR are easy to find? Since when? How many WR picks did we flop on before hitting with Marshall?

You can get all butt-hurt if you want about Javon, but he would have a better impact on this team than Vilma, giving Cutler two #1 caliber WRs.

If you think this team needs offense more than defense, a 2nd receiver more than a MLB, then you haven't a clue as to why this team lost this year. I never said drafting was the only way to get a decent 2nd threat, and besides, just because Shanahan whiffed on a number of picks leading up to Marshall does not mean the talent wasn't there. Marcus Nash anyone?

oubronco · 02-22-2008, 12:22 PM

well i guess he would get his wish to be the #1 guy if he went to NY they don't have alot do they ?

bowtown · 02-22-2008, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by colonelbeef

Vilma's upside is higher than that of Walker, plus he is younger. Both have had season ending leg injuries, that is a wash. All said and done, if he is worth a 3rd rounder, and Walker is worth roughly a late 4- 5th rounder, some other compensation would be necessary. Kid is 26, its worth a shot.

Exactly and IMO there will be enough teams interested in Vilma that that 3rd might bump up to a 2nd... depending on his health. How about Walker, Gold and a 6th for a healthy Vilma? I think that's a pretty fair trade. Obviously in a vacuume Walker is worth more than that but, with his situation on this team and his contract, I think this is pretty even, and I for one would do it in a hearbeat and then go sign Boss Bailey. You want a D that has some character and chemistry? How does the Baily Brothers and the Miami Monsters sound? It makes me salivate.

-Slap- · 02-22-2008, 12:23 PM

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Neither Vilma nor the club explained the nature of the injury, but it was related to a pre-existing condition that required complicated surgery. In the meantime, rookie David Harris flourished in Vilma's role as the defensive signal-caller. In fact, the overall defense improved with Harris in the lineup on a full-time basis.

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Originally Posted by TheDave

Tell me that doesn't sound like a future Bronco...

David Harris was my fallback plan if we didn't get Willis last year. Instead, we can get the undersized, broken down guy he replaced. As an added bonus, we can further jerk DJ Williams around by making him switch positions for the fourth time in five years. Not to mention the three different defensive schemes we've asked him to learn. Man, it's really shocking that he doesn't instinctively flow to the football, isn't it?

bronco militia · 02-22-2008, 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atwater His Ass

You can get all butt-hurt if you want about Javon, but he would have a better impact on this team than Vilma, giving Cutler two #1 caliber WRs.

sure, if we have to score 40 points every week

colonelbeef · 02-22-2008, 12:26 PM

If it doesn't work, he gets injured again lets say- worst case scenario, He is on the last year of his contract. Its a no brainer. walker is no certainty either, last I checked, he missed almost all of last season due to a leg injury- his second such career threatening leg injury. If it doesn't work, at least you took a shot on a guy with some upside, and now have the salary relief from dumping walker and his whining for 2009.

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02-22-2008, 11:44 AM	#1
colonelbeef Purge the McScandals! Ben McDaniels needs a new family Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,856 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ben McDaniels	Jonathan Vilma is available. Jets need a receiver badly. The Jets need a deep threat in the worst way. Vilma, when healthy, is a dominating MLB. Don't believe the hype regarding his attitude, I live in NYC, listen to sportstalk radio all the time, am forced to watch Jet games on occasion- the guy has a head on his shoulders. He is a young guy that has been frustrated with the direction of the team, as well as injuries, but in my estimation, has held up well all considered, for a young guy. If healthy, he is a gem. Walker and a late pick, or say a 3rd rounder next year, for Vilma. Get it done.

02-22-2008, 11:50 AM	#2
colonelbeef Purge the McScandals! Ben McDaniels needs a new family Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,856 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ben McDaniels	make that a 5th or 6th rounder. Reading up on Jets blogs, the thought it that he is worth a 3rd rounder if healthy right now Walker and a 6th this year. Done.

02-22-2008, 11:56 AM	#3
TheDave Sauced... Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 15,120	Medical issue for medical issue... Fine by me. But we should be getting the pick not the jets.

02-22-2008, 11:57 AM	#4
Ray Finkle DOOONNNTTTTT CAAARRREEE! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Alexandria, VA Posts: 7,402	pass....Vilma for Walker straight up? yes, no picks.

02-22-2008, 12:00 PM	#5
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	Fill a need while creating another. No thanks.

02-22-2008, 12:01 PM	#6
HEAV Ring of Famer It's about the Team Join Date: May 2003 Location: The Ville Posts: 12,077 Adopt-a-Bronco: Brian Dawkins	One leg is longer than then the other, leading to his knee issue (Micro-fracture) and the chances of futher issues down the road. hmmmm It's a tough issue to deal with, trading your injury for their injury.

02-22-2008, 12:02 PM	#7
ant1999e Ring of Famer WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE??? Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: BFE Posts: 5,980 Adopt-a-Bronco: Money Ball	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Vilma "Vilma was diagnosed with osteochondritis dissecans (OCD) in high school, a bone defect that can cause instability and loose particles in the joint, and this is a possible cause behind his season-ending 2007 injury."

02-22-2008, 12:03 PM	#8
colonelbeef Purge the McScandals! Ben McDaniels needs a new family Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,856 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ben McDaniels	Vilma's upside is higher than that of Walker, plus he is younger. Both have had season ending leg injuries, that is a wash. All said and done, if he is worth a 3rd rounder, and Walker is worth roughly a late 4- 5th rounder, some other compensation would be necessary. Kid is 26, its worth a shot. DJ and Vilma played together at Miami, no? Obviously I am taking for granted that he will be healthy. When healthy, Vilma is a top 3 MLB, tackling machine, speed to cover any TE in the game. In other words, he is exactly what the Broncos need, toughness and speed up the middle.

02-22-2008, 12:06 PM	#11
montrose Ring of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 6,095 Adopt-a-Bronco: VP John Elway	Although my offseason preference is for more and more picks, Vilma for Walker would be an interesting deal. I'm not keen on keeping Javon in the AFC, but reuniting Vilma with DJ could be fun to watch. Unfortunately, I have hard time believing Javon would accept a trade to the Jets with their shaky QB situation. Because of this, the Broncos probably realize any compensation for Javon is going to be minimal as the trading team is going to protect themselves from a) him possibly not wanting to play there. b) his injury history. Good thought though, and certainly worth a call to the Jets FO.

02-22-2008, 12:13 PM	#15
Atwater His Ass Ring of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 5,360 Adopt-a-Bronco: None	WR are easy to find? Since when? How many WR picks did we flop on before hitting with Marshall? You can get all butt-hurt if you want about Javon, but he would have a better impact on this team than Vilma, giving Cutler two #1 caliber WRs.

02-22-2008, 12:14 PM	#16
colonelbeef Purge the McScandals! Ben McDaniels needs a new family Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,856 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ben McDaniels	He has 1 year left on his rookie contract. He plays, he gets paid. If he can go this year, shanahan has to do this. Either way, its a good salary dump (walker) and a decent shot to take. http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/fo..._fly_away.html

02-22-2008, 12:18 PM	#17
Hotrod Self Appointed Expert aka Dortoh Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 25,136 Adopt-a-Bronco: Miss I	This trade get the official Hotrod stamp of approval

02-22-2008, 12:22 PM	#21
oubronco John Foneco !! Mile High Magic Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Sooner Country Posts: 20,585	well i guess he would get his wish to be the #1 guy if he went to NY they don't have alot do they ?

02-22-2008, 12:26 PM	#25
colonelbeef Purge the McScandals! Ben McDaniels needs a new family Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: New York, NY Posts: 3,856 Adopt-a-Bronco: Ben McDaniels	If it doesn't work, he gets injured again lets say- worst case scenario, He is on the last year of his contract. Its a no brainer. walker is no certainty either, last I checked, he missed almost all of last season due to a leg injury- his second such career threatening leg injury. If it doesn't work, at least you took a shot on a guy with some upside, and now have the salary relief from dumping walker and his whining for 2009.