Mayock releases first top 10 list

[TheReverend]

Mayock: "I don't touch Darren McFadden in the first 20 picks of the draft."

1. Matt Ryan
2. Sedrick Ellis
3. Chris Long
4. Glen Dorsey
5. Vernon Gholston
6. Jake Long
7. Ryan Clady
8. Keith lolololololol Rivers
9. Phillip Merling
10. Leodis McKelvin

I fully expect this to make it's way to the draft forum, but thought some exposure would lend towards more interesting discussion. Feel free to move when you feel appropriate mods!

[TheReverend]

PS. This is in video on NFL.com homepage.

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

Mayock: "I don't touch Darren McFadden in the first 20 picks of the draft."

1. Matt Ryan
2. Sedrick Ellis
3. Chris Long
4. Glen Dorsey
5. Vernon Gholston
6. Jake Long
7. Ryan Clady
8. Keith lolololololol Rivers
9. Phillip Merling
10. Leodis McKelvin

I fully expect this to make it's way to the draft forum, but thought some exposure would lend towards more interesting discussion. Feel free to move when you feel appropriate mods!

I've gotta say, I watch BC regularly and I just can't see ranking Matt Ryan as the #1 overall. Maybe if he is ranking them based off of where he thinks they might be selected, then I guess I could buy Miami selecting him.....but to rank him the pure #1 doesn't seem right otherwise.

I also can't imagine the prospect of being able to trade DOWN from the 12 spot to select McFadden. It's just not gonna happen. Could you imagine the melt-down around here though if he was available when the Broncos were on the clock and they passed him up....trading down to around the 20th pick.....and then he's still there when they are on the clock again. The Mane's server would definitely crash.

[Drek]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I've gotta say, I watch BC regularly and I just can't see ranking Matt Ryan as the #1 overall. Maybe if he is ranking them based off of where he thinks they might be selected, then I guess I could buy Miami selecting him.....but to rank him the pure #1 doesn't seem right otherwise.

I also can't imagine the prospect of being able to trade DOWN from the 12 spot to select McFadden. It's just not gonna happen. Could you imagine the melt-down around here though if he was available when the Broncos were on the clock and they passed him up....trading down to around the 20th pick.....and then he's still there when they are on the clock again. The Mane's server would definitely crash.

Kinda like a few years back when we traded up to #15 in '04, Steven Jackson slid into our laps, and we passed on him, even though we'd just traded Portis?

[That One Guy]

I know we've talked about the Ellis Dorsey situation plenty but I still think Dorsey may have a possibility of getting back ahead of Ellis if he puts up great numbers at the combine(significantly better than Ellis') but until he does, Ellis has 1st DT in hand.

[TheReverend]

Originally Posted by Drek

Kinda like a few years back when we traded up to #15 in '04, Steven Jackson slid into our laps, and we passed on him, even though we'd just traded Portis?

But we landed the immortal DJ Williams... jack of all trades, master of none.

(Hoping that he will please prove me wrong in 2008)

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Drek

Kinda like a few years back when we traded up to #15 in '04, Steven Jackson slid into our laps, and we passed on him, even though we'd just traded Portis?

Exactly. I was definitely thinking about that draft when I starting reading this thread. That was easily the most surprised I've ever been at a 1st round non-selection by the Broncos since I've been actively watching the draft. It seemed like such a gimme.....and they had the cameras going at Stephen Jackson's house for something like a 1/2 hour leading up to that pick and you could just see the disappointment and surprise when they didn't select him.

[Kaylore]

I like Mayock's stuff a LOT more than Kiper's.

[Arkansas Bronco]

Wow this guy gets paid to do this?

[Beantown Bronco]

Originally Posted by Arkansas Bronco

Wow this guy gets paid to do this?

And what are you being paid to do right now?

[lex]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

I've gotta say, I watch BC regularly and I just can't see ranking Matt Ryan as the #1 overall. Maybe if he is ranking them based off of where he thinks they might be selected, then I guess I could buy Miami selecting him.....but to rank him the pure #1 doesn't seem right otherwise.
I also can't imagine the prospect of being able to trade DOWN from the 12 spot to select McFadden. It's just not gonna happen. Could you imagine the melt-down around here though if he was available when the Broncos were on the clock and they passed him up....trading down to around the 20th pick.....and then he's still there when they are on the clock again. The Mane's server would definitely crash.

I think there is clearly a bias here. Mike Mayock also went to Boston College. Matt Ryan is a good player but not the top player overall.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by lex

I think there is clearly a bias here. Mike Mayock also went to Boston College. Matt Ryan is a good player but not the top player overall.

He is definitely the top QB IMHO....and the top QB generally goes at the top of the draft.

Ryan just has "it" if you ask me. BC doesn't bring in great talent because of their academic standards so what you saw Ryan do isn't exactly like Jamarcus Russell who might have had 3 or the best 5 WR's in the country to throw to in Bowe, Davis and Doucett. He made it happen with marginal talent around him.

[lex]

Originally Posted by NaptownChief

He is definitely the top QB IMHO....and the top QB generally goes at the top of the draft.

Ryan just has "it" if you ask me. BC doesn't bring in great talent because of their academic standards so what you saw Ryan do isn't exactly like Jamarcus Russell who might have had 3 or the best 5 WR's in the country to throw to in Bowe, Davis and Doucett. He made it happen with marginal talent around him.

My girlfriend is a BC grad so Im very familiar with Ryan. I realize his receivers were marginal at best. I know Ryan is good but so is Dorsey as are some other guys.

[broncofan]

What happened to McFadden?

I was hearing before that he is a can't miss and this year's AP and now Mayock is saying that he's not even top 20 worthy? Did I miss something?

[lex]

Originally Posted by broncofan

What happened to McFadden?

I was hearing before that he is a can't miss and this year's AP and now Mayock is saying that he's not even top 20 worthy? Did I miss something?

Theyre going to further discuss the running backs tonight on NFL Access. One thing that Mayock looks at is whether or not a RB sees a cutback...I remember him doting on Marshawn Lynch last year for that reason. McFadden doesnt always see the cutback because he's often in a hurry. Im guessing Mayock will also say something about not always lowering his shoulder, which again, I believe goes back to being in a hurry. If you watch him he rarely throttles back to be able to react. Mayock may also say something about getting yards out of the wildhog which is not a formation you could expect to see in the NFL. Still though, he had huge production on a team with no passing game.

Thats just my guess.

[broncofan]

Originally Posted by lex

Theyre going to further discuss the running backs tonight on NFL Access. One thing that Mayock looks at is whether or not a RB sees a cutback...I remember him doting on Marshawn Lynch last year for that reason. McFadden doesnt always see the cutback because he's often in a hurry. Im guessing Mayock will also say something about not always lowering his shoulder, which again, I believe goes back to being in a hurry. If you watch him he rarely throttles back to be able to react. Mayock may also say something about getting yards out of the wildhog which is not a formation you could expect to see in the NFL. Still though, he had huge production on a team with no passing game.

Thats just my guess.

Makes sense. Of the videos I've seen on youtube of him, it seems like he maintains a high center of gravity. Most of the highlights are him blowing through a hole and outrunning everybody...not a whole lot of cutting.

[lex]

Originally Posted by broncofan

Makes sense. Of the videos I've seen on youtube of him, it seems like he maintains a high center of gravity. Most of the highlights are him blowing through a hole and outrunning everybody...not a whole lot of cutting.

Yup. He has a pretty incredible stiff arm. Ive seen him execute cutbacks but like I said, I think he is running too fast to lower his shoulder and execute cutbacks a lot of the time. Basically, I think he is a little out of control and needs to throttle down like 5% or so...once he gets past the LOS.

[bronco militia]

Originally Posted by broncofan

Makes sense. Of the videos I've seen on youtube of him, it seems like he maintains a high center of gravity. Most of the highlights are him blowing through a hole and outrunning everybody...not a whole lot of cutting.

that sounds like the perfect bronco running back

[Arkansas Bronco]

Originally Posted by Beantown Bronco

And what are you being paid to do right now?

Looks to be the same that you are

[LonghornBronco]

Link please?

[LonghornBronco]

Originally Posted by TheReverend

PS. This is in video on NFL.com homepage.

Sorry, got it thanks.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by broncofan

What happened to McFadden?

I was hearing before that he is a can't miss and this year's AP and now Mayock is saying that he's not even top 20 worthy? Did I miss something?

I watched one of Arkansas' games at the end of the season and saw McFadden get fairly easily out run by a DB. He could have been winded, the DB could actually be one of the fastest players in the country but on the surface that doesn't bode well IMO as to what type of 40 he will run.

We all know you don't need to be the fastest guy on the field to be a great running back but we all know that the 40 time greatly affects where guys get drafted. My guess he is a high 4.5 to low 4.6 40 guy and that will be the primary reason why he falls out of the top 10 if he falls at all.

[NaptownChief]

Originally Posted by lex

My girlfriend is a BC grad so Im very familiar with Ryan. I realize his receivers were marginal at best. I know Ryan is good but so is Dorsey as are some other guys.

No question. There is very likely better players in the draft than Ryan but there usually is when QB's go 1st overall. No question there was better players last year when Russell went first.

[lex]

Originally Posted by broncofan

What happened to McFadden?

I was hearing before that he is a can't miss and this year's AP and now Mayock is saying that he's not even top 20 worthy? Did I miss something?

Did anyone happen to see NFL Access tonight? Basically, he didnt like how he goes dead-legged when he gets tackled. He also criticized his ability to catch in traffic and his tendency to carry the ball in the wrong hand. None of that had to do with what I said except perhaps the dead-legged part which might be helped by being in control more when running the ball. Oh, and there was one play where Ali Highsmith almost caught him. Interesting. I actually though his complaints were kind of lame.


BTW, here is Mayocks segment from NFL Access.

http://www.nfl.com/videos

[TheDave]

Originally Posted by lex

Did anyone happen to see NFL Access tonight? Basically, he didnt like how he goes dead-legged when he gets tackled. He also criticized his ability to catch in traffic and his tendency to carry the ball in the wrong hand. None of that had to do with what I said except perhaps the dead-legged part which might be helped by being in control more when running the ball. Oh, and there was one play where Ali Highsmith almost caught him. Interesting. I actually though his complaints were kind of lame.


BTW, here is Mayocks segment from NFL Access.

http://www.nfl.com/videos

Going "Dead-Legged" upon contact is a sure way to get benched in the NFL.