My Mock v2.0 - February

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Middle aged guy having a little fun .........

At our pick (#12) I believe that Brohm will be available. And, I am counting on a bidding war between Chicago, Minn, Detroit, Tampa, and SF for our pick. I am looking to package Walker and our extra #4 & #5 to pick up an extra #2. With no particular preference, I have chosen Tampa as they have a greater need for Walker.

So, we trade our #1, extra #4, extra #5, & Walker in return for Tampa's #1, #2, & #3.

1) Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon -- say goodbye to reefer madness

2a) Anthony Collins, OT, Kansas -- I prefer Pat Sims, however, I believe that he will be gone by #40

2b) Dre Moore, DT, Maryland -- loved his Senior Bowl

3) John Greco, OT, Toledo -- I believe that this guy could be the next Alan Faneca

4) Tom Zbikowski, S, Notre Dame -- has the tools and I would like him to be trained for a year by Lynch

5) Owen Schmitt, FB - West Virginia -- from comments made in other threads (here in the OM) I decided to take a look at this guy -- WOW! He really stands out with his hits.

7) Ben Moffitt, LB, South Florida

7) Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina

Additionally, we pursue a trade with Detroit for Roy Williams and look to sign Gibril Wilson UFA from the New York Giants.

All in all, probably too many changes for a legitimate SB run -- but the playoffs would be a real possibility.

I would value your thoughts .......................... Ben

[Dedhed]

Gross.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Let me also add, if Karlos Dansby, LB, Arizona Cardinals & UFA can be had, (with our cap limits), he too would be a welcom addition to our defense

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by BombsOverBaghdad

Let me also add, if Karlos Dansby, LB, Arizona Cardinals & UFA can be had, (with our cap limits), he too would be a welcom addition to our defense

In this scenario do you put RB behind DT, LB, S, OT, DE, FB, WR, KR, P, and K on the priority list where it belongs?

[mattob14]

Originally Posted by BombsOverBaghdad

Middle aged guy having a little fun .........

At our pick (#12) I believe that Brohm will be available. And, I am counting on a bidding war between Chicago, Minn, Detroit, Tampa, and SF for our pick. I am looking to package Walker and our extra #4 & #5 to pick up an extra #2. With no particular preference, I have chosen Tampa as they have a greater need for Walker.

So, we trade our #1, extra #4, extra #5, & Walker in return for Tampa's #1, #2, & #3.

1) Jonathan Stewart, RB, Oregon -- say goodbye to reefer madness

2a) Anthony Collins, OT, Kansas -- I prefer Pat Sims, however, I believe that he will be gone by #40

2b) Dre Moore, DT, Maryland -- loved his Senior Bowl

3) John Greco, OT, Toledo -- I believe that this guy could be the next Alan Faneca

4) Tom Zbikowski, S, Notre Dame -- has the tools and I would like him to be trained for a year by Lynch

5) Owen Schmitt, FB - West Virginia -- from comments made in other threads (here in the OM) I decided to take a look at this guy -- WOW! He really stands out with his hits.

7) Ben Moffitt, LB, South Florida

7) Jasper Brinkley, ILB, South Carolina

Additionally, we pursue a trade with Detroit for Roy Williams and look to sign Gibril Wilson UFA from the New York Giants.

All in all, probably too many changes for a legitimate SB run -- but the playoffs would be a real possibility.

I would value your thoughts .......................... Ben

Well, the trade's not too bad, and I like picks 2b-5, but I'm not a huge fan overall. LB and WR really need to be addressed, especially if Walker is traded. Using your trade as a starting point, I'd rather see something like this:

1. Chris Williams, OT, Vandy- A top OT prospect who can contribute right away. If he's gone, Otah would be a nice choice as well.

2a. Curtis Lofton, MLB, Oklahoma- Good instincts and tackling ability, he'd also allow DJ to play his natural WLB position.

2b. Lavelle Hawkins, WR, Cal- Could contribute at WR and in the return game. Brings the ability to stretch defenses.

3. Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M- Big, tough, and physical, Bryant can tie up blockers in the middle of the line and allow Thomas to penetrate. We may have to move up from here to get him, though.

4. Tashard Choice, RB, GT- He won't blow you away with measurables, but he runs hard and fits the scheme pretty well. If Kevin Smith falls, I'd grab him in a heartbeat here as well.

5. Owen Schmitt, FB, W Virginia- Hard-nosed FB who will give 110% every play. The big question at this point is his injury in Mobile.

7a. Zack Bowman, CB, Nebraska- Injury concerns will push him down, but the guy has the talent to succeed.

7b. Mike Dragosavich, P, N Dakota St- Big leg to compete at the Punter spot.

In FA, I'd like to see Colin Cole brought in for depth at DT and a WR who could potentially start opposite Brandon. My choice at WR would be Bryant Johnson.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

In this scenario do you put RB behind DT, LB, S, OT, DE, FB, WR, KR, P, and K on the priority list where it belongs?

I do not believe that we can count on Henry. Clearly he has the talent, but his off-the-field antics leave him in jeapordy of suspension. Also, he was unable to remain healthy.

So, if you take that into consideration -- yes, RB becomes a very large priority to this team.

I did try to address the DT, OT, S, & FB in my mock. If you want to take Mike Dragosavitch with one of our 2 - #7's, I will have no issue.

[lex]

Switch Mendenhall and Stewart, and its not bad.

[-Slap-]

I would let you swing the deal that acquires those draft positions, but I would let someone else pick the players.

[Drek]

1. You make a huge assumption in thinking that Tampa will have interest in both Walker and Brohm. FYI, they have Garcia on contract pretty cheaply and he took them to the playoffs last year. I doubt that their idea on how to advance past the wild card round in '08 consists of sending all of their first day picks for a QB who'll ride the pine and a WR who might not make it through training camp healthy.

2. RB is so damn far down our list of needs, and we've already got some decent cash (thanks to Henry) tied up in it. You really think thats a better use of our first than DT, OT, LB, S, etc.?

3. Schmitt is a late 3rd/early 4th type, regardless of injury at the senior bowl. He won't go higher but supplimental picks will also keep him from going lower.

4. Why would we get Roy Williams when he A. wants top flight reciever money in his extension and B. wants to return to a big market, namely in Texas? We'd have basically the same problems with him Detroit is having.

5. Gibril Wilson as an FA signing? No thanks. He's at best a league average safety that we'd have to pay market value for. Thats not real appealing. He's not significantly better than Nick Ferguson, but he'll get paid extra thanks to his new ring.

6. I don't see Bowlen springing for both a starting RT and Dansby in the same off-season.

Other than that, not bad I guess.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Thanks for the feedback, I enjoy your posts and appreciate your insights. See my reply in blue, below:

Originally Posted by Drek

1. You make a huge assumption in thinking that Tampa will have interest in both Walker and Brohm. FYI, they have Garcia on contract pretty cheaply and he took them to the playoffs last year. I doubt that their idea on how to advance past the wild card round in '08 consists of sending all of their first day picks for a QB who'll ride the pine and a WR who might not make it through training camp healthy..

Garcia is what 38? You may have a vaild point regarding where Tampa may see itself and what they do to advance in the playoffs. However, without question they need more youth and depth at QB and have nothing at WR.

Originally Posted by Drek

2. RB is so damn far down our list of needs, and we've already got some decent cash (thanks to Henry) tied up in it. You really think thats a better use of our first than DT, OT, LB, S, etc.?.

Given the problems with Henry and what I see available at #12, yes I do think a front-line RB is our greatest need.
Certainly I expect others will disagree and that is their right. But from my viewpoint we have real issues at RB that must be addressed.

Originally Posted by Drek

3. Schmitt is a late 3rd/early 4th type, regardless of injury at the senior bowl. He won't go higher but supplimental picks will also keep him from going lower..

You may be correct, but traditionally FB's are undervalued at draft time.

Originally Posted by Drek

4. Why would we get Roy Williams when he A. wants top flight reciever money in his extension and B. wants to return to a big market, namely in Texas? We'd have basically the same problems with him Detroit is having..

Do you have a link for this? I have not read anything about Williams complaining about his contract or going back to Texas. I have not seen anything about Detroit having problems with him.
What I based this on were the published reports that Detroit did not want so many $ tied up at one position.

Originally Posted by Drek

5. Gibril Wilson as an FA signing? No thanks. He's at best a league average safety that we'd have to pay market value for. Thats not real appealing. He's not significantly better than Nick Ferguson, but he'll get paid extra thanks to his new ring..

You and I both agree that we need help at Safety -- IMO Ferguson will be lucky to survive training camp and Wilson (yes, at league average) is a far more consistent player.

Originally Posted by Drek

6. I don't see Bowlen springing for both a starting RT and Dansby in the same off-season.

Other than that, not bad I guess.

In my scenario, the right side of our OL is Kuper & Greco -- I did not propose we sign a FA offensive lineman.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Originally Posted by -Slap-

I would let you swing the deal that acquires those draft positions, but I would let someone else pick the players.

Slap, assume the trade and give me your draft then?

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Originally Posted by lex

Switch Mendenhall and Stewart, and its not bad.

I have not yet seen enough of Mendenhall to comment on him. However, I can tell you that Stewart is very impressive.

[lex]

Originally Posted by BombsOverBaghdad

I have not yet seen enough of Mendenhall to comment on him. However, I can tell you that Stewart is very impressive.

Mayock actually has Mendenhall as the top RB. Id rather have McFadden than Mendenhall but Id rather have Mendenhall over Stewart.

[Dedhed]

Originally Posted by BombsOverBaghdad

I do not believe that we can count on Henry. Clearly he has the talent, but his off-the-field antics leave him in jeapordy of suspension. Also, he was unable to remain healthy.

So, if you take that into consideration -- yes, RB becomes a very large priority to this team.

I did try to address the DT, OT, S, & FB in my mock. If you want to take Mike Dragosavitch with one of our 2 - #7's, I will have no issue.

You could remove Henry and Selvin Young from the team, and it still wouldn't justify going RB in the first. With Henry and Young in the fold, it's not even on the table anywhere on day 1.

The offensive side of the ball as a whole has to take a back seat to the defense, and then OT and WR are a much higher priority.

Where did we pick up a 3rd rounder in your scenario?

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Originally Posted by Dedhed

You could remove Henry and Selvin Young from the team, and it still wouldn't justify going RB in the first. With Henry and Young in the fold, it's not even on the table anywhere on day 1.

The offensive side of the ball as a whole has to take a back seat to the defense, and then OT and WR are a much higher priority.

Where did we pick up a 3rd rounder in your scenario?

At our pick (#12) I believe that Brohm will be available. And, I am counting on a bidding war between Chicago, Minn, Detroit, Tampa, and SF for our pick. I am looking to package Walker and our extra #4 & #5 to pick up an extra #2. With no particular preference, I have chosen Tampa as they have a greater need for Walker.

So, we trade our #1, extra #4, extra #5, & Walker in return for Tampa's #1, #2, & #3.

[ohiobronco2]

From the looks of things, it appears as though you value Walker as an early fourth round pick. I'd hate to think that is all he is worth, but you're probably right. With those selections I'd go a different route.

1. Chris Williams OT
2. Dre Moore DT
2A. Phillip Wheeler OLB/ILB
3. L. Hawkins WR
4. Eric Young G
5.O Schmitt FB
7. J Ikegwuonu CB
7. M Dragosavich P

I was inclined to flip 2 and 2A to go Lofton and then Moore, but I think it would be too much of a gamble to pass up on Moore.

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Originally Posted by ohiobronco2

From the looks of things, it appears as though you value Walker as an early fourth round pick. I'd hate to think that is all he is worth, but you're probably right. With those selections I'd go a different route.

1. Chris Williams OT
2. Dre Moore DT
2A. Phillip Wheeler OLB/ILB
3. L. Hawkins WR
4. Eric Young G
5.O Schmitt FB
7. J Ikegwuonu CB
7. M Dragosavich P

I was inclined to flip 2 and 2A to go Lofton and then Moore, but I think it would be too much of a gamble to pass up on Moore.

Originally I liked Williams as our #1; but the more I looked at it, it simply did not add up. Specifically, if you follow my scenario, we have a huge need at RB to fill (Selvin Young is our answer at #2 back). And, Williams had at best, a mixed report card from the Senior Bowl -- so I went with Stewart.

In my original (v1.0) draft, I had us taking Wheeler -- be prepared to lower your shorts and cough -- you are about to hear what a fool's mistake that would be (and please bear in mind, I am in the same line as you when it comes to Wheeler).

[BombsOverBaghdad]

Mendenhall: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...php?pyid=56664

Stewart: http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings...php?pyid=56918

[chaz]

Originally Posted by mattob14

Well, the trade's not too bad, and I like picks 2b-5, but I'm not a huge fan overall. LB and WR really need to be addressed, especially if Walker is traded. Using your trade as a starting point, I'd rather see something like this:

1. Chris Williams, OT, Vandy- A top OT prospect who can contribute right away. If he's gone, Otah would be a nice choice as well.

2a. Curtis Lofton, MLB, Oklahoma- Good instincts and tackling ability, he'd also allow DJ to play his natural WLB position.

2b. Lavelle Hawkins, WR, Cal- Could contribute at WR and in the return game. Brings the ability to stretch defenses.

3. Red Bryant, DT, Texas A&M- Big, tough, and physical, Bryant can tie up blockers in the middle of the line and allow Thomas to penetrate. We may have to move up from here to get him, though.

4. Tashard Choice, RB, GT- He won't blow you away with measurables, but he runs hard and fits the scheme pretty well. If Kevin Smith falls, I'd grab him in a heartbeat here as well.

5. Owen Schmitt, FB, W Virginia- Hard-nosed FB who will give 110% every play. The big question at this point is his injury in Mobile.

7a. Zack Bowman, CB, Nebraska- Injury concerns will push him down, but the guy has the talent to succeed.

7b. Mike Dragosavich, P, N Dakota St- Big leg to compete at the Punter spot.

In FA, I'd like to see Colin Cole brought in for depth at DT and a WR who could potentially start opposite Brandon. My choice at WR would be Bryant Johnson.

this would bring tears of joy to my eyes

[Rohirrim]

I don't know where you're getting the second 7th rounder from, but here would be my picks:
1. Jeff Otah, OT
2a. Beau Bell, LB
2b. Ray Rice, RB
3. Lavelle Hawkins, WR
4. Demario Pressley, DT
5. Wesley Woodyard, S
7a. Jeremy Zuttah, G/T
7b. Mike Klinkenborg, LB

[mattob14]

Originally Posted by chaz

this would bring tears of joy to my eyes

You and me both. I'm just hoping we can get 3 or 4 of these guys.

[mattob14]

Originally Posted by BombsOverBaghdad

Originally I liked Williams as our #1; but the more I looked at it, it simply did not add up. Specifically, if you follow my scenario, we have a huge need at RB to fill (Selvin Young is our answer at #2 back). And, Williams had at best, a mixed report card from the Senior Bowl -- so I went with Stewart.

In my original (v1.0) draft, I had us taking Wheeler -- be prepared to lower your shorts and cough -- you are about to hear what a fool's mistake that would be (and please bear in mind, I am in the same line as you when it comes to Wheeler).

Actually, the only real negative about Williams coming out of Mobile was the arm length, and that really wasn't a surprise to many people. His workouts went well and he really seemed to raise his stock.

As for RB being our biggest need, I just don't buy it. Henry has something to prove and he has a big financial incentive to avoid suspensions. We should probably look for a RB at some point this year, but we're not in terrible shape with Henry and Young.

[eddie mac]

Originally Posted by Rohirrim

I don't know where you're getting the second 7th rounder from, but here would be my picks:
1. Jeff Otah, OT
2a. Beau Bell, LB
2b. Ray Rice, RB
3. Lavelle Hawkins, WR
4. Demario Pressley, DT
5. Wesley Woodyard, S
7a. Jeremy Zuttah, G/T
7b. Mike Klinkenborg, LB

7b is via the Bucs for Jake Plummer. Not on any official draft pick lists yet but this pick should be sorted at the NFL owners meeting I'd presume. The deal was a 4th if he reported and a 7th if he did not.

[RocBronc]

The most important point about your mock draft you point out is the "Brohm" factor...

Most on hear believe that the pickings (that meet our team needs) are going to be slim at 12. Also, we have multiple needs so in order to get good value and have several options to trade down, so we need to have Brohm still be available when we pick. Carolina and Chicago are picking right behind us and they both need QB help so we need to leverage their desire for Brohm to get teams that also need QB help to jump up ahead of us for a nice package of extra picks.

[SouthStndJunkie]

Originally Posted by RocBronc

The most important point about your mock draft you point out is the "Brohm" factor...

Most on hear believe that the pickings (that meet our team needs) are going to be slim at 12. Also, we have multiple needs so in order to get good value and have several options to trade down, so we need to have Brohm still be available when we pick. Carolina and Chicago are picking right behind us and they both need QB help so we need to leverage their desire for Brohm to get teams that also need QB help to jump up ahead of us for a nice package of extra picks.

What is up RocBronc?

Miss not seeing your draft takes over at the south stands (old DPO).